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They DO shoot suspects *facepalm*

Not often. We don't as routine arm police in the UK because (as yet) we've not been that fucking dumb.

If you are willing to let policemen decide when a crime has been committed, rather than the courts, then knock yourself out.

The day that happens that's the day I leave blighty.

It astonishes me how little regard for due process there is in this country.

Actually. No it doesn't. Humans are far too emotive - which is why we have due process and courts. And we certainly don't leave judgement of criminality to plod, who's average-IQ at best. And this has been done for very good, very obvious reasons. But show a vid of chavs running from the cops and morons wanna kill...
 

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The people getting knocked off bikes have families and friends who don't trust society and respond to things in their own way. Usually by committing further crime.

... but not on mopeds, eh? These tactics have been in use for a while and clearly word has spread about them to the gangs in question leading to a 30% drop in these kinds of crime - I don't think that 30% were all knocked over....
 

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... but not on mopeds, eh? These tactics have been in use for a while and clearly word has spread about them to the gangs in question leading to a 30% drop in these kinds of crime - I don't think that 30% were all knocked over....

Sure yeah, but you could also execute people that steal things on mopeds, I'm sure that'll stop it dead in its tracks.

That's another thing about the moped crime thing - most cases are people stealing phones and stuff, in my book that means you're putting the value of a phone over someones life.

How about we stop neglecting the rough parts of the UK and we actually invest and improves peoples lives and show them that there's other ways to get people's respect.

I just don't understand how people can be concerned with the growing knife crime/gun crime, when it's usually the same group of society that are also knocked off their bikes by the Police.
 

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... but not on mopeds, eh? These tactics have been in use for a while and clearly word has spread about them to the gangs in question leading to a 30% drop in these kinds of crime - I don't think that 30% were all knocked over....

They need to knock more of them over then. Get a 100% reduction in that sort of crime.

Sometimes hitting a nut with a sledgehammer is the only way to go.
 

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Not often. We don't as routine arm police in the UK because (as yet) we've not been that fucking dumb.

If you are willing to let policemen decide when a crime has been committed, rather than the courts, then knock yourself out.

Police in UK aren't always armed right?

Indeed. Not often, but it happens. Intermittently.

Also, policemen do basically decide on a whim it seems. Never run from police, it's basically the same advice as never run from certain animals as the instinct is to give chase, same as police..

It's true what you say - humans ARE emotive. By extension, police men are. That answers our questions.
 

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Doesn't really fett. It's just more reason for respecting and fighting for due process, the rule of law and the judgement of courts.

Something a lot of people would like to dodge around here it seems...
 

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So it sounds like you had a couple of specific bullies in your class? Never thought of getting together and kicking the shit out of them? It's what we did. This one kid was the only problem I ever had in junior school, and we dealt with it, on the advice of my Dad ("A good big 'un will always beat a good little 'un, so get six little 'uns and don't fight fair" Words to live by). The kid's Dad came around to complain and my Dad laughed in his face, I was never more proud of him.

When I was older at boarding school I was one of smallest in class until I was 14-15 (when I just shot up) so the only strategy was to play the psycho, just be too much trouble and let them think you'd get them back when they weren't looking, which I once did in the lunch line with a well aimed kick in the nuts, right in front of the deputy headmaster. I got the cane, but I never got bullied again.

Now I have little kids of my own I worry about them all the time, but at the moment, the parents seem to be collectively quite tuned in; one kid in my Son's class was a growing problem and the parents went collectively to the mother. She hotly denied her precious angel could do any harm, but interestingly there have been no incidents since.

It was 2 main instigators, who fought each other as much as everyone else, and then another group of 3 kids. Usually you'd just try to stay on at least one of the 3's good sides. I had gone to kindergarten and after school club with one of the main bullies, so I was last on his list most of the time, but still got pushed around by some of the others. My usual tactic was to stand my ground, pull hair, scratch with nails, fight like a cat in a bag, make it so that they felt it for as long as possible afterwards, and so not worth the trouble. It worked out OK. Wish we had stood up to them back then.

Ganging up on someone was dangerous, even if they deserved it. A lot of kids had older siblings, and if you did someone in three on one, they would come after you. If they were part of the Turkish, Kurdish or Pakistani communities, you opened a massive can of worms. There would be older kids waiting outside of school for you every day for days on end. Wouldn't necessarily take part in the beating, but would make sure that a one on one would happen and you didn't run away. Then you could start over or forget it.
 

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Police in UK aren't always armed right?

Indeed. Not often, but it happens. Intermittently.

Also, policemen do basically decide on a whim it seems. Never run from police, it's basically the same advice as never run from certain animals as the instinct is to give chase, same as police..

It's true what you say - humans ARE emotive. By extension, police men are. That answers our questions.
Some special units are armed and on call when needed. Officers (trained) are armed at Airports and other key areas. In general on the streets etc no.

With any incident their first job is safety getting the public and themselves clear of any danger. Secondly call it in and get the right units there.
 

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Long period of time of media hatred towards Huawei for allowing the Chinese Government to spy on us (It's fine if private corporations do it doe.)

Then this happens.

China: Huawei arrest is rights abuse

Apparently around them breaking the sanctions that the US had with Iran.

America is strong arming China and has manipulated the people to support hostile behaviour.
 

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I was going to post that..when BT put the tender out for its shite 21st century network, they fucked Marconi over and went with Fujitsu and what Huawei was then.

We were like wtf, chinese boards in UKs tekephone network and they laughed in our faces.

Id love to see those pricks again, they actually had a meeting with our senior managers to check if WE were trustworthy to code them as we appeared biased.
 

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Long period of time of media hatred towards Huawei for allowing the Chinese Government to spy on us (It's fine if private corporations do it doe.)

Then this happens.

China: Huawei arrest is rights abuse

Apparently around them breaking the sanctions that the US had with Iran.

America is strong arming China and has manipulated the people to support hostile behaviour.

Whilst Google and Facebooks data slurping habits aren't great, I have less of an issue with them as the primary reason they are doing that is so they and their partners can try to sell us stuff. The Chinese Government tho... Yikes. The amount of state sponsored IP Theft and Narcotics manufacture (Fentanyl) is scary - and that's just what we know about.

However I must admit one country I have no interest in visiting is China, as it looks like some sort of dystopia nightmare fusion of Black Mirror and 1984.
 

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Whilst Google and Facebooks data slurping habits aren't great, I have less of an issue with them as the primary reason they are doing that is so they and their partners can try to sell us stuff. The Chinese Government tho... Yikes. The amount of state sponsored IP Theft and Narcotics manufacture (Fentanyl) is scary - and that's just what we know about.

However I must admit one country I have no interest in visiting is China, as it looks like some sort of dystopia nightmare fusion of Black Mirror and 1984.

I don't understand why it's OK for private industry to have our data but not the Chinese; the private industry is probably more likely to sell off our data secretly for sinister purposes and it's not going to look very good if it's all publicised.

But with China we can speculate, I'm not exactly sure what the Chinese are going to achieve by having access to my phone, but I know what private corporations can achieve with access to my phone.

I'm sure China is WAY more damaging to national security, but private companies are way more damaging to my privacy.
 

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You folks can search for it yourself as I'm not giving them the traffic, but The Guardian have today printed another scare story on Glysophates / Roundup. Fairly irresponsible if you ask me, considering the weight of scientific evidence suggests it is fairly harmless.

Stop worrying and trust the evidence: it's very unlikely Roundup causes cancer
When I read about the actual Erin Brokovich who famously got compensation for all those poisoned families.
The movue made her out to be a saint.
In reality she was a hardened corporation claim chaser who basically knocked on every door promising big payouts for damage she could prove by having a fuck load of people put in complaints.
She guided them to claim and the company paid out without ever admitting responsibility or an ounce of evidence of harm.
She walked away millions better off and a fucking sainthood from Hollywood.
Its a parallel industry, I'm pretty sure its all sorted out by lawyers behind the scenes.
You claim..I'll defend..everyone wins.
 

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https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-panther-is-the-first-superhero-film-nominated-for-1830905146

Jesus. Mid-rank (at best) MCU movie gets a Golden Globe because the cast are mostly not white? Aren't black people really patronised by this shit?

It's obvious that's why which begs the question - have the same people forgotten about the other non-white Superhero movies of the past? I can imagine Wesley Snipes and Halle Berry being quite annoyed right now, that their films were made before wokeness was a thing.
 

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