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Because 9 year olds hang themselves every day for no apparent reason? Of course they don't.

Schools have no clue now, they never did in the past either. I'm glad social media wasn't a thing when I was a kid. Some of the stuff I remember from my school days as a 7 to 10 year old:
1. A nice girl was given "why don't you kill yourself" letters. Not sure how many, but the bullying and intimidation had been ongoing for a while, never physical though. She eventually cracked, wouldn't go to school, parents called school, it was discussed, she moved to a different school. We had a talk in our class about it.
2. A boy had a BO problem, so he got the suffix Skunk attached to his name. This went on for at least 2 years of school, teachers cant have been unaware. There was some physical stuff too I think. He had to move school. Nothing was ever said.
3. Another boy had dyslexia. He was picked on relentlessly once the Skunk left. His parents split up. Mom moved to a different part of country to start afresh, took kid with him.
4. Another kid was super skinny. Once the above 2 boys were gone, he was an easy target. His mum had heroically tried to have a word with the worst of the bullies. Mummies boy. Mom had to move for work, he had choice of staying in school and living with dad... no way. He was gone.
5. Another boy was physically bullied as he was the weakest. Didn't fight back hard enough, was given nipple twisters over and over while they tried to make him cry. he never cried. He never told his parents or the teachers, so it got worse and worse. Eventually his mum saw the bruises and blue welts, she was going to call the police unless he said what happened. School got involved, it stopped for a few months.
6. Another boy had a fear of dentists. He literally lost his mind when he had to school dentist. He was tormented about it for years. He lived right next to school, but was tormented outside of school too. Had to go to boarding school to avoid bullies.
7. Another boy joined our class late, I think maybe 4th or 5th year. He was being physically pushed around. He tended to fight back (poorly) and would get his ass kicked. Eventually snapped, went home, broke his kitchen table leg off, came in and tried to batter the bullies. Got sent to boarding school too.
Eventually the main bullies moved on, one switched schools to be closer to his football club, the other was struggling academically, so he went into a work experience program where they focused on vocational skills.
All was well for a year or so, then I moved to England with my folks, and from what I heard, the main bully was back for a year, bullied the girls super hard about their looks, clothes, choice of teenage crush, etc, etc, that he was eventually expelled. Not before 3 or 4 of the girls had moved school.

All of this in a class of maybe 25 kids. I know it was no different in the other classes in my year group. I know in the years above and below me, things got so out of hand the police were involved. The school, supposedly, never had a bullying problem, even though according to the Danish government, at least 1 in 4 kids were bullied at school in the 90's. No wonder Danes are so happy, they are done with secondary education :)

So it sounds like you had a couple of specific bullies in your class? Never thought of getting together and kicking the shit out of them? It's what we did. This one kid was the only problem I ever had in junior school, and we dealt with it, on the advice of my Dad ("A good big 'un will always beat a good little 'un, so get six little 'uns and don't fight fair" Words to live by). The kid's Dad came around to complain and my Dad laughed in his face, I was never more proud of him.

When I was older at boarding school I was one of smallest in class until I was 14-15 (when I just shot up) so the only strategy was to play the psycho, just be too much trouble and let them think you'd get them back when they weren't looking, which I once did in the lunch line with a well aimed kick in the nuts, right in front of the deputy headmaster. I got the cane, but I never got bullied again.

Now I have little kids of my own I worry about them all the time, but at the moment, the parents seem to be collectively quite tuned in; one kid in my Son's class was a growing problem and the parents went collectively to the mother. She hotly denied her precious angel could do any harm, but interestingly there have been no incidents since.
 

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Bullying is worse now than it ever has been, due to the internet/social media.

The official line until relatively recently was 'oh just ignore it, switch your phone off', it's not realistic with modern kids, they're all glued to social media. It's not going to happen unless parents start to see the danger that social media presents and there's an en-mass ban, or perhaps maybe have some responsibility for their kids online..
Nope. What @Hawkwind mentioned above is bullying.

The official line of turn your phone off is the correct one. Just because the vast majority of kids are glued to their phones doesn't make it right.

It's a parents responsibility to protect their kids - and if that means restricting access to internet, no matter how much their kid wants it, then they must do it. Alongside teaching their kids that there's more to life - giving them the skills they require.

You can't turn off what @Hawkwind's bullies did - which is why kids moved home - a bit more extreme a solution than restricting internet use, no?

Of course not. So why isn't this being done?

Schools are failing in their responsibilies - there should be a blanket ban on phones on school grounds - kids are there to learn, not instagram. At no point during the school day do they *need* access to phones.

Then in the evening that should be down to parent's discretion. But right now we're normalising 24-hour online internet access from a very young age. It's clearly unhealthy. So I've no time for people who don't want to fix that problem when the solution is so obvious.
 

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Nothing wrong with farting on cats. I mean, they're not dogs, right?
 

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Obviously it didnt last long.

I dont know which is worse..the lawyer led destruction of society or the idiotic posting of those videos.

Met police driver faces criminal investigation after ramming moped
I think that our Prime Minister and facist home secretary, and the entire police force, should hang their heads in shame that deliberate car crashes are seen as legitimate ways of apprehending suspects.

Their primary duty is to protect - and that includes suspects.
 

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I think that our Prime Minister and facist home secretary, and the entire police force, should hang their heads in shame that deliberate car crashes are seen as legitimate ways of apprehending suspects.

Their primary duty is to protect - and that includes suspects.

Aww should they be served milk and cookies along with a complimentary sleep-over and be lullaby:ed to sleep? It's perfectly reasonable to do. If a police try to stop a car by signaling with lights and the car/bike in question doesn't stop, police give chase. You follow? So, the longer the chase goes on the more lives are at risk, right? So, better to stop it asap than let it go on to endanger more lives.
 

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Why not let them just shoot *suspects* eh?

There are a lot of reasons people run from police. Taking risks with lives, including suspects lives, is unacceptable in civilised society.

There's also the obvious escalation knock-on effects. If it's ok for the police....
 

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Why not let them just shoot *suspects* eh?

There are a lot of reasons people run from police. Taking risks with lives, including suspects lives, is unacceptable in civilised society.

There's also the obvious escalation knock-on effects. If it's ok for the police....

They DO shoot suspects *facepalm*

I'll tell you something. You know why they use expanding ammunition. It's to minimize damage caused by bullets penetrating intended targets and hitting civilians. It's baad mkay, but good for everyone else.

It's a calculated risk.

I think we as a nation (Both UK and Sweden) is fine when it comes to ethics and moral. We do feel It's wrong when police shoot a perp with twenty rounds just for good measure. We aren't Brazil. It's also a luxury having a Police dealing with it so we don't have to.

I don't know where you got your new fondness of 'conserve everything' from tbh.
 

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I think that our Prime Minister and facist home secretary, and the entire police force, should hang their heads in shame that deliberate car crashes are seen as legitimate ways of apprehending suspects.

Their primary duty is to protect - and that includes suspects.

Oh do fuck off.
Would you think the same if you or your girlfriend had just had acid thrown in her face by one of these low lifes?
About time these twats realised it's game over.
 

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Aww should they be served milk and cookies along with a complimentary sleep-over and be lullaby:ed to sleep? It's perfectly reasonable to do. If a police try to stop a car by signaling with lights and the car/bike in question doesn't stop, police give chase. You follow? So, the longer the chase goes on the more lives are at risk, right? So, better to stop it asap than let it go on to endanger more lives.

Or they have a sufficient budget so they have the manpower to cut them off?

Why are there so many police chase deaths recently? Cos the po po chase for hours with little support.
 

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To be fair some of the muppets on mopeds fell off before they could get rammed, so there's that.
 

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Oh do fuck off.
Would you think the same if you or your girlfriend had just had acid thrown in her face by one of these low lifes?
About time these twats realised it's game over.
I like your appeal for emotive policing.

We should definitely have a policing policy based on raw emotion, regardless of consequence eh?


And it should expand to more than simple criminal justice. My mum, for example, would probably support the banning of cars because her husband was killed by a lorry. And if the victims of crime and their families feelings are the main concern here, then I fully support her idiocy.
 

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I suspect the lorry driver had not just robbed your Mums husband and was trying to get away and do the same to someone else. It's fuck all to do with emotion flower, it's about catching perpetrators of crime and stopping them committing more crimes. If they don't want to be dealt with appropriately by the police then they should simply not be criminals. Their actions lead to the consequences.
You amaze me.
 

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I suspect the lorry driver had not just robbed your Mums husband and was trying to get away and do the same to someone else. It's fuck all to do with emotion flower, it's about catching perpetrators of crime and stopping them committing more crimes. If they don't want to be dealt with appropriately by the police then they should simply not be criminals. Their actions lead to the consequences.
You amaze me.

That's a nice Victorian approach to policing :)
 

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We all ready have emotive policing..thats why Madeliene Mcann is such a big story and other dissappeared kids get no funding.
Its also why the refugee bully gets arrested..

Hate crime is emotive..its based on guilt and perception of white racism.

So yeah..go ahead and knock them off..just dont post the frickin video.
 

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You're talking out of your arse on this one @Scouse. These wankers are using mopeds and scooters to commit increasingly violent crimes simply because it's been deemed too dangerous to chase them, therefore they get away with it. Poeple bitch and moan about an underfunded and understaffed police force and yet when they finally get the go ahead to actually do something about it, they get bitched and moaned at for that too. At the end of the day, if you commit a crime then you should be willing to face the consequences, if that means being hurt by a Police car knocking you off your scooter then so be it.

If you want a better approach to stopping these cunts then maybe you should run for PM and give the Police the funding they need.
 

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Why are there so many police chase deaths recently? Cos the po po chase for hours with little support.
Bingo. Stop them as soon as possible with all necessary means.

How many have been knocked down and how many have died from it?
 

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Bingo. Stop them as soon as possible with all necessary means.

How many have been knocked down and how many have died from it?

None, but there bone breakages etc.

The Police used to be way more efficient at cutting off people in a safer way.

I don't buy this 'theyre criminals, so they deserve to be treated like shit'.

They're a product of their environment, you don't improve the relationship of the forgotten and ignored and wider society by sanctioning such action, it'll only cause it to get worse.

I was watching a programme last night about one gun that has been used at many shootings, there was one case where there was a lad who's dad was in prison for murder and the Police always stop and searched him him and asked him mockingly where's your dad?

The people getting knocked off bikes have families and friends who don't trust society and respond to things in their own way. Usually by committing further crime.
 

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Hmm...thats a very liberal policy thats leads to rampant crime, vigilantism, distrust in the police on both sides, right wing surge, war and hangings.

That may sound hilarious, but thats exactly how it happens, it a circle of liberal emotion.

Oh we don't want that to happen again, let's start doing the same shit and see if it plays out better this time.
 

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Hmm...thats a very liberal policy thats leads to rampant crime, vigilantism, distrust in the police on both sides, right wing surge, war and hangings.

That may sound hilarious, but thats exactly how it happens, it a circle of liberal emotion.

Oh we don't want that to happen again, let's start doing the same shit and see if it plays out better this time.

How do you know? we've never ever ever had a 'liberal' police force.

Look at New York, those guys are pretty liberal, they're doing pretty well.
 

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How do you know? we've never ever ever had a 'liberal' police force.

Look at New York, those guys are pretty liberal, they're doing pretty well.

Afaik the New York Police have the funding and numbers to be effective. Take the Met Police for example, between March 2010 and March 2018 the number of officers dropped by 20,000. That's right, 20k fewer officers on the street. I've got a couple of mates in Sussex Police and they tell me it's no better down here. You can have all the liberal views you want but if you want the safer and more effective stoppage techniques to be utilised then you need the numbers and funding to do so. The Police are doing everythihng they can with the resources available and they're doing a bloody good job, all things considered. It's all well and good sitting on the sidelines and being an armchair critic but I don't see you joining up.
 

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Afaik the New York Police have the funding and numbers to be effective. Take the Met Police for example, between March 2010 and March 2018 the number of officers dropped by 20,000. That's right, 20k fewer officers on the street. I've got a couple of mates in Sussex Police and they tell me it's no better down here. You can have all the liberal views you want but if you want the safer and more effective stoppage techniques to be utilised then you need the numbers and funding to do so. The Police are doing everythihng they can with the resources available and they're doing a bloody good job, all things considered. It's all well and good sitting on the sidelines and being an armchair critic but I don't see you joining up.
Or they have a sufficient budget so they have the manpower to cut them off?
 

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How do you know? we've never ever ever had a 'liberal' police force.

Look at New York, those guys are pretty liberal, they're doing pretty well.
New York inroduced zero tolerance to combat crime..or in other words actually prosecuting, not letting people off for low end crime and moving drug dealers and homeless along constantly.
 

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My nearest KFC is at Aintree race course, the chav fest is starting again.

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Hmmm. Commenting that the racing at Aintree is a bit chav, whilst sitting in a KFC Car Park.

IT'S LIKE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAAAAAAAAY etc.
 

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Anmälda övergrepp på festivaler minskar - DN.SE

Translated: "Reported sexual abuse at festivals drastically reduced"

What has happened is that they've put the most known artists earlier and the ones with generally older fans late at night. They've also removed electronic dance music among other things, which reportedly reduced "reports of sexual abuse".

There's no questioning in the newspaper why this is even needed.
 

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