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[Bodhi]

17 Confirmed dead in the tower now

 

[BloodOmen]

17 Confirmed dead in the tower now

They're estimating hundreds of potential deaths.

 

[Job]

Hilarious, had eight calls last night and today from Landlords wanting gas safety certificates.
'It ran out 6 months ago mate, can you get round today?'

 

[Scouse]

Scum landlords.

It's fucking easy. Someone's paying the rent, get someone out to do the shit. Easy. It's people who want to make a large profit on top of already having someone pay the mortgage for you that act like this. My house is well maintained, fully legal and I break even over a five year period (some years loss, some years profit on top of mortgage payment). I don't understand landlords who operate in any other way. In twenty five years it's all profit anyway.

Having said that, I've had some absolute scum tenants who've fucked stuff over and then whined when they haven't got all their deposit back.

"You put a hole in every door when arguing with your girlfriend you chav scum - and you're paying for it"

 

[old.user4556]

Some amsuing, some contrived, some fucking hilarious.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAvLRHCTBQ

 

[Tom]

Man whose 'faulty fridge started Grenfell Tower inferno | Daily Mail Online

CUNTS. FUCKING SCUMMY SHITRAG CUNTS.

 

[Scouse]

It's funny that the conservatives (and new labour neocons) want a "bonfire of regulations" - because a bonfire is exactly what we'll get.

Brexit will be a disaster for this country. "Cutting red tape" because of "health and safety gone mad" plays into the hands of the unscrupulous. The "great repeal bill" will destroy environmental, health and safety protections for the masses whilst making things nice and easy for the already-rich.

 

[Gwadien]

Why isn't there some kind of huge inflatable thing for events like this?

Something for the Firefighters to 'have'

 

[Tom]

Because it's such a rare event that it isn't worth spending the money. More lives can be saved by spending that same money on fire prevention.

That said, I think from now on, if I ever find myself living in a tower, I'll have my own personal lightweight rappelling kit.

 

[Bodhi]

Man whose 'faulty fridge started Grenfell Tower inferno | Daily Mail Online

CUNTS. FUCKING SCUMMY SHITRAG CUNTS.

See I'm not entirely sure if I understand the OUTRAGE about this one? They say in the overview that he's potentially saved many lives, is it because they mention he's from Ethiopia?

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Job]

The fire service response for tower fires is woeful, they just sprayed the bottom 5 floors and watched people die...nothing was tried..no matter how unlikely, to rescue them.
Just follow procedure, close down the area.
In this day and age the procedures and equipment available for disaster are pathetic.
Do they not even have ONE 200ft cherry picker for the whole of London..no mobile cranes, no systems whatsoever in place for rescue a over the fourth floor.
Utterly shameful...they seem to have no plan B.

 

[Moriath]

The fire service response for tower fires is woeful, they just sprayed the bottom 5 floors and watched people die...nothing was tried..no matter how unlikely, to rescue them.
Just follow procedure, close down the area.
In this day and age the procedures and equipment available for disaster are pathetic.
Do they not even have ONE 200ft cherry picker for the whole of London..no mobile cranes, no systems whatsoever in place for rescue a over the fourth floor.
Utterly shameful...they seem to have no plan B.

I think they were in the building getting people out as well as spraying water from the outside.

What do you expect them to do from the ground?

 

[fettoken]

Why isn't there some kind of huge inflatable thing for events like this?

Something for the Firefighters to 'have'

Exactly, that inflates around the whole building within minutes.

 

[Moriath]

They wanna put huge water storage at the top of high rises that can be emptied through the building like in towering inferno hehe

 

[dysfunction]

You wouldn't need that if you built the building with materials that don't burn.
Have fire doors, sprinklers etc.

You could prevent the fire from spreading so it wouldn't cause this disaster.

 

[Job]

They should have high power pumps for tower fires...its hardly beyond our technology..in fact they havent got them because ...money is more important than lives.
Watching those utterly useless water jets landing short on tv screens around the world is fucking embarrassing.
Once the fire took hold, even the crews couldnt get up to help people out, at that point they just stood and watched.

 

[Job]

They wanna put huge water storage at the top of high rises that can be emptied through the building like in towering inferno hehe

I said straight away people could have run all their taps and block the drains...flooding the building from the top....seems one woman did just that and it saved her family from the heat.

 

[Raven]

...or, how about they don't clad it in plastic. wtf were they thinking?

 

[caLLous]

You wouldn't need that if you built the building with materials that don't burn.
Have fire doors, sprinklers etc.

You could prevent the fire from spreading so it wouldn't cause this disaster.

Have a punt at cladding that isn't incredibly flammable as well. If it had remained an internal fire the chances are it wouldn't have left the flat it started in.

 

[Scouse]

Burn the health and safety red tape I say. Developers are suffering under mountains of regulations. How the fuck are we supposed to have jobs and profit if we have a big state? Whaddaya want - your taxes going on council "inspectors" who sit about like jobsworths on their cushy council pensions when entrepreneurs and wealth creators are fucking inhibited from making us a great country?

We need a great repeal bill to free us from these shackles and then we can all share in the trickle-down.



- Every government (Tory and Tory lite) since Thatcher*.

Edit: And @Bodhi


*Edit edit: Who said her biggest regret was that trickle down didn't work and the rich just hoarded their cash. Well duh! Dumb bitch.

 

[Tom]

See I'm not entirely sure if I understand the OUTRAGE about this one? They say in the overview that he's potentially saved many lives, is it because they mention he's from Ethiopia?

No, it's because how is it in the public interest to identify this individual? What possible reason could they have, other than "lets get some clicks by using this guy's face lads. Fuck him and fuck whatever happens to him, we'll make a few quid."

Publishing his name and photographs is disgusting when you consider what he may be going through right now.

 

[caLLous]

Man whose 'faulty fridge started Grenfell Tower inferno | Daily Mail Online

CUNTS. FUCKING SCUMMY SHITRAG CUNTS.

I see your Mail shite and raise you...

 

[caLLous]

No, it's because how is it in the public interest to identify this individual? What possible reason could they have, other than "lets get some clicks by using this guy's face lads. Fuck him and fuck whatever happens to him, we'll make a few quid."

Publishing his name and photographs is disgusting when you consider what he may be going through right now.

Especially when the implication is that, no matter what he did afterwards, the fire was all his fault.

 

[Tom]

The fire service response for tower fires is woeful, they just sprayed the bottom 5 floors and watched people die...nothing was tried..no matter how unlikely, to rescue them.
Just follow procedure, close down the area.
In this day and age the procedures and equipment available for disaster are pathetic.
Do they not even have ONE 200ft cherry picker for the whole of London..no mobile cranes, no systems whatsoever in place for rescue a over the fourth floor.
Utterly shameful...they seem to have no plan B.

What a cunt. You're suggesting the London fire brigade buy a cherry picker costing a good quarter of a million quid, which then sits around doing nothing for years. Do you even know how those things work? Who does the ground survey to determine if it can be used on location? And how exactly do you position the basket so as to rescue people, when the outside of the building is completely ablaze.

What a mind-bendingly stupid arrogant dopey cunt you are.

 

[Raven]

You wouldn't need that if you built the building with materials that don't burn.
Have fire doors, sprinklers etc.

You could prevent the fire from spreading so it wouldn't cause this disaster.

The trouble is, the flames were on the outside for the most part, which caused the fire to go from flat to flat. Internally all doors in flats are firedoors and the flats themselves are basically concrete cubes meaning any fire is contained. Obviously more than one stair case and some sprinklers is essential, it appears this and many others only have the one.

 

[Raven]

It's funny that the conservatives (and new labour neocons) want a "bonfire of regulations" - because a bonfire is exactly what we'll get.

Brexit will be a disaster for this country. "Cutting red tape" because of "health and safety gone mad" plays into the hands of the unscrupulous. The "great repeal bill" will destroy environmental, health and safety protections for the masses whilst making things nice and easy for the already-rich.

Dude, don't pull the red tape one, the UK actually follows EU health, safety and building regs to the absolute letter (on new builds, obviously) while our friends in the EU, not so much. Working with them when they don't seem to think regs are meant for them is a nightmare, especially in construction.

 

[Scouse]

That's not my whole argument is it tho @Raven?

My argument is to be taken in its entirety - not bits of it taken out and shot down in isolation. The answer to your point is contained in my post.


Edit: But to humour you:

the UK actually follows EU health, safety and building regs to the absolute letter

Not really. Contractors do minimum and less if they can get away with it.

And without a huge fleet of inspectors (as I mentioned) - and the upcoming "bonfire of regulations" (which I mentioned) is it going to get A) worse, or B) better?...

 

[old.Osy]

And hackers always find a way.

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Watch it guys, new strain running wild now - patch your systems asap. We've had numerous new infections, all signs point to a new variant.

 

[dysfunction]

The trouble is, the flames were on the outside for the most part, which caused the fire to go from flat to flat. Internally all doors in flats are firedoors and the flats themselves are basically concrete cubes meaning any fire is contained. Obviously more than one stair case and some sprinklers is essential, it appears this and many others only have the one.

Well yes but that was due to the material put on the outside of the building. If that stuff didn't burn then it wouldn't spread very easily.