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[Job]

Of course we are overlooking the obvious problem that if everyone took their kids on holiday in term time the industry would simply spread its costs over the year and no more cheap holidays in term time.

 

[Job]

Ultimately I'm with the supreme court on this one.

I agree that it seems petty in an isolated case to be penalised for taking a kid out of class for a few days, but that's not the issue. The issue here is that if the supreme court said "nah, it's fine, go ahead" then the flood gates will open and pave the way for every ignorant cunt to take their kid out of school when it suits them.

Where's the cut off point before a class is cancelled? 1 child? 5 children? 50% of the children? and for how long? How does that get policed and controlled, and how is that extra overhead paid for? Fuck that, in today's society the special snowflakes will expect to be able to have them off an extra week and expect the teacher to sort out any kids that have slipped. Teachers have it bad enough already without this shite getting out of the bag just so that Mr and Mrs Cuntface can fly premium economy unlike Mr and Mrs Snowflake who had to slum it on Easyjet.

Lets not forget, they're not being kept out of school because the parents have to work extra to feed the family, it's so they can go on holiday. I fucking hate the human race.

My exact point, it was a political and social decision...another example of supreme court 'interpretations' of law that reach the point of making a mockery of its decisions.
Wider fucking picture..
In other words...a true decision would cause chaos...so we have decided ti overide the law.

 

[Gwadien]

The problem is that the decision is out of the hands of the schools and in the hands of the local authority, and that's been a recent change.

Previously heads would decide if students could go on holiday in term time, and it happened a lot, depending on if parents were cooperative with the school and 'cared' about their childs education, and the child was also on track to achieving their targets.

However, this doesn't fit into the 'one rule for all' approach, so it changed to the current system.

 

[Raven]

Australia


View: https://www.facebook.com/stephen.wilson.54966/videos/10204211641633065/


Nope

 

[Raven]

 

[Moriath]

Australia is one big nope. Why do u think we sent the crims there. Cheaper than a bullet man.

 

[Moriath]

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Quoting the sport now are you?

 

[Gwadien]

In other school related news.

Corbyn announcing free school meals for all primary school students is fantastic news, truly a step in the right direction.

Although it will be hard for schools to know who are eligible for 'normal' free school means which means the school is eligible for more money.

 

[Ormorof]

This has been standard in Finland for decades, all kids from kindergarten + up get free lunch

 

[Raven]

Quoting the sport now are you?

Viz. But carry on.

 

[Gwadien]

This has been standard in Finland for decades, all kids from kindergarten + up get free lunch

Only problem is that they're going to pay for it by charging VAT to private schools, which is all good in a socialist world, however, the lower middle classes are pulling their kids out of private school to the financial crash as it is.

There's some new private schools in London which turned state schools because they over estimated the demand for private education.

This is a problem since the amount of kids dropping out could result in a larger burden on the state schools and possibly wouldn't outweigh the costs.

 

[Scouse]

Don't buy that tbh. No reason, just don't buy it.

 

[old.user4556]

This has been standard in Finland for decades, all kids from kindergarten + up get free lunch

We'd rather spend that cash on wars, weapons, outdated high speed rail and London. After all, a penny spent in London is better than a penny spent outside of it (source: paraphrased Boris).

 

[Gwadien]

Don't buy that tbh. No reason, just don't buy it.

Yeah because you cringe when you see 'private school'. That is literally the only reason.

Imagine how much of a shit state our public sector would be in if EVERYONE uses the NHS - apply that to schools - which already has a far bigger budget than the NHS

 

[fettoken]

 

[Scouse]

Yeah because you cringe when you see 'private school'. That is literally the only reason.

Went to one until I was 12, so no, not really.

But the statement was put out by the private schools. I tend to take a sceptical view of people / institutions with cash telling people that things "might be bad for you" if you do anything that makes it harder or more expensive for them.

On principle they should be abolished. They're a barrier to true social mobility and meritocracy. If rich people's kids had to go to poor people's kids schools by law then you'd pretty quickly find that education takes top priority with funding and that the level of education of all kids would massively increase.

The reason private schools exist is that people know damn well that with a bit of cash you can get a *much* better education for your kids. If they were to be outlawed then rich people would start demanding that we actually fix the education system for all.


I don't have kids so I don't have a personal bun in this fight other than to address the question "what's best for society". And what's best is to lessen inequality rather than entrench it. Which is what private schools do.

 

[Raven]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4gKPULa41Q

 

[Raven]

I tend to take a sceptical view of people / institutions with cash telling people that things "might be bad for you" if you do anything that makes it harder or more expensive for them.

 

[Scouse]

I was sceptical over brexit "doomsayers" @Raven - but upon weighing their arguments with those of the leave camp (who were also people/institutions with cash, rather than the "plucky poor") I found their arguments more compelling.

Not only that, their predictions are being borne out.

 

[Raven]

@fettoken


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HOgkzZc4Co

 

[fettoken]

@Raven Yeah i've seen that one, and waiting for his video where he goes to measure radiation on the West coast. Also interesting learning the half-lives of different elements that were released.

 

[Gwadien]

@Scouse seperately the educational value argument with the financial argument and there you will see my argument more clearly; if there was an option which provided further social mobility along side with the extra expense it would be justified.

However arguably what Labour are planning on doing will have the reverse effect; less social mobility because private education will only be available to the upper echelons of society.

Removal of private education is not an option unfortunately, there's 180,000 children in private education, that's another billion quid (including new schools, staff etc)

 

[Ormorof]

Private schools have a tendency to be a barrier to social mobility for the majority, it is instead a "way in" to the club for those that can afford it

Free, high quality education, available to everyone is best way to drive social mobility

This does not mean everyone should end up with a degree from a uni, it means that if you are smart enough to get into the uni you apply for then the financial situation of your parents should not be a hindrance

 

[Raven]

No idea why anyone is even caring what Labour announce, they are finished.

 

[Raven]

Wife packed off to her mums for the weekend. Lovely weather expected over the weekend. Pub with some excellent guests on, 20 metres away.

#Summer.

 

[Scouse]

arguably

Yep.

there's 180,000 children in private education, that's another billion quid

Yes. It is isn't it.

The cash is out there m8. Capitalism is *fan-tastic* at making it.

Private schools have a tendency to be a barrier to social mobility for the majority, it is instead a "way in" to the club for those that can afford it

Free, high quality education, available to everyone is [*definitely a good and achieveable*] way to drive social mobility

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Gwadien]

Yep.


Yes. It is isn't it.

The cash is out there m8. Capitalism is *fan-tastic* at making it.

Alright let's continue to miss the point.

 

[Scouse]

Alright let's continue to miss the point.

What's your point? That's it's not financially viable, or that it's not realistic? Both are totally achieveable IMO.

Half measures are shite in this case tbh. What we're going to get is less social mobility and more expensive schooling. But it doesn't have to be that way.

 

[Job]

Fucking hilarious, arrived in Cornwall, walk into a pub...giant screen showing Ladies day at Aintree, helicopter shot zooms into the distance and you can see our town.