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[Raven]

I wish right wing people would stop over exaggerating the liberal society that we live in and pretending it's some extremist society when it's clearly not.

Yes @Raven I'm talking to you, you're taking bollocks, please stop.

Oh right, so because someone wants to identify as X the nice gentleman in Qatar with a brand new box of latex gloves will recognise that?

lol, you must be new to the world.

If its the second part, please identify what is wrong with the question. If a man identifies as a women and is sexually attracted to men (two different things, btw) then surely not fancying him on the basis of his biological sex is wrong, isn't it?

 

[Bodhi]

I wish right wing people would stop over exaggerating the liberal society that we live in and pretending it's some extremist society when it's clearly not.

Yes @Raven I'm talking to you, you're taking bollocks, please stop.

I wish we'd stop having to pidgeon hole people into left and right wings tbh.

 

[Raven]

It is the only way they can argue when staring their own gross stupidity square in the face.

Most people have absolutely no idea what left and right is any more, anyone who thinks differently is automatically designated "right" because everything must have a box or label, everything must be an absolute.

It is why the world is absolutely fucked and their idiocy is just making it worse.

 

[Hawkwind]

Don't see the problem. It doesn't stop you being identified in line with your passport.

Our christian sexual hangover makes some people resistent to change of this sort. A lot of other cultures just wouldn't give a fuck about this whole "controversy". It's a meaningless problem.

You think most countries in the world have anything but male/female in their immigration computer systems? Turn up with a passport with something else and it may cause an issue. They would probably let you in still but you would be assigned a gender that may take you out of your safe space.

Good luck trying to get a VISA in just about any MENA country. Yes I am aware of Oman (Khanith) but the country's ruler, affectionately known as sooty, is bent and allows it for locals only.

 

[Scouse]

@Scouse, would you fuck a lady boy? Or a fully Trans person? (assuming you were single)

Explain, exactly, how this has got a single thing to do with the topic at hand.

You've gone from a discussion about a live-and-let-live attitude to other people's preference for gender identification to an assertion that, if you're OK with other people wanting to gender identify how they want, you must be sexually attracted to them and want to fuck them.

You're an unspeakably strange man. Proper:

Spoiler

 

[Scouse]

You think most countries in the world have anything but male/female in their immigration computer systems?

No. I don't. But I also don't have a problem with people who want different gender identity put into the UK passport system, should they want to.

It's no skin off my nose. If they want that strongly enough that it means that they're effectively barred from some countries then that's up to them. Still doesn't affect me. It's their choice.

Many people are already effectively barred from some countries if they want to be themselves. It's just one more fly in their ointment. I don't see why, because other countries are anti-gay, for example, we have to conform to their standards, rather than set our own.

Choice, dear boy. It doesn't harm me one jot if we give people not like me the ability to make their own minds up

 

[Raven]

Self defeating choice for the sake of a letter in a little book.

 

[Scouse]

Self defeating choice for the sake of a letter in a little book.

Explain why you give a shit either way, swivel-boy.

 

[Raven]

hmmm. Where exactly did I say I give a shit?

 

[Scouse]

Twat.

 

[Raven]

So, you can't then...because I didn't say I cared one way or another. You are desperate for me to have said it so that you can pretend to be OUTRAGED and OFFENDED.

Edit, It's like accusing someone of anti-Semitism for the following statement "During WW2 a Jewish person applying to be a cleaner at the local SS HQ would have been shipped off and murdered" Pointing something out does not mean you support it one way or another.

You are actually mental, that is not an insult by the way (unless you find mental people offensive) just an observation.

 

[Scouse]

lol. Your very argument against something that doesn't affect you shows you care.

But whatever. I guess it's because I must want to fuck them, desparately, right?

 

[Moriath]

Explain, exactly, how this has got a single thing to do with the topic at hand.

You've gone from a discussion about a live-and-let-live attitude to other people's preference for gender identification to an assertion that, if you're OK with other people wanting to gender identify how they want, you must be sexually attracted to them and want to fuck them.

You're an unspeakably strange man. Proper:

Spoiler

Could be you who is strange . You seem to think most others are lol

 

[Raven]

I didn't argue against it though? I just pointed out that it won't work, mostly because it won't work. This whole back and forth is because of your insistance that I said something entirely different.

For someone who goes on and on about sources, they appear to be a bit thin on the ground here. You need to quote where I said that it shouldn't be allowed because people shouldn't be free to decide.

Why not man up and admit that you got yourself into an emotional state again and completely misread what was written because you wanted it to say something else.

Edit. The whole fucking lady boys thing is completely different and a bit silly because its just so damn fun when you see the red mist, but still bears a point. If a biological man decides he is a women (can think what he likes, I do not care) and fancies men then does that make her a heterosexual women? If the answer is no does that mean you do not consider them to be a women? If the answer is yes then would you (if he wasn't a munter ofc) have any problem banging her? If the reason is "yes, because she is a man" then surely, by any reasonable argument, that would mean you are discriminating based on biological sex? Even if subconsciously.

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bfPwtUTP4k

 

[fettoken]

I'm reading about Swedes getting attacked, at least verbally, in Britain; comments such as "go home to your country" etc. What the fuck? Are you guys beginning to dislike us?

 

[Job]

I think they mave have just won at pool or stolen someones girlfriend.

 

[Ormorof]

Or just in general being swedish

 

[Job]

Scouse, stop relating live and let live to concerns about the wider consequences.
I have no problem with someone who wants to dress up as Jimmy Saville but I would be concerned if they then exercised their right to wander around outside a school.
What are they bothered about, hes hardly likely to molest anyone after drawing attention to himself.

Its uncomfortable for people, probably result in a visit by the police, possible arrest for breach of the peace.
A bathroom is a safe space for women, especially vulnerable or recently molested women, traditionally no man would enter outside of exceptional circumstances, but now that cultural buffer is to be torn down by the latest minority trend, mainly by the very people who should think first about how it effects women, instead of jumping onto the next right on cause.
Its only a matter of time before trans people are trying to block non trans from entering their gender free bathrooms.

 

[Job]

Bill Burr on Mzz Jenner

Bill Burr On Caitlyn & Bruce Jenner - CONAN on T…:
View: http://youtu.be/jsOJnMvxZVg

 

[fettoken]

Omnomnom.

 

[TdC]

Scouse, stop relating live and let live to concerns about the wider consequences.

which consequences, exactly?

A bathroom is a safe space for women, especially vulnerable or recently molested women, traditionally no man would enter outside of exceptional circumstances

this has been shown to be untrue. heap on your faux-sympathy all you like but that won't make your statement true.

Its only a matter of time before trans people are trying to block non trans from entering their gender free bathrooms.

I'm not sure you understand what gender-free means.

that aside, you're making perfect sense today Job, carry on.

 

[Gwadien]

Frankly, I find this whole anti-Trans conversation absolutely disgusting, it's clearly a thing which causes people emotional distress for not being able to express their selves. This isn't the fucking 19th century for fucks sake.

They don't effect you, they don't harm you. Stop being so fucking draconian.

 

[Job]

You mean they dont effect you, and you are quite happy for other people to be effected by it, because scoring lib points is more important.

 

[Tom]

I have no problem with someone who wants to dress up as Jimmy Saville but I would be concerned if they then exercised their right to wander around outside a school.

Brilliant, so in Job's mind, trans people are a bit like Jimmy Savile. Just like some people think that gays can't be scout leaders, because that's "a bit weird innit?"

 

[Job]

which consequences, exactly?


this has been shown to be untrue. heap on your faux-sympathy all you like but that won't make your statement true.


I'm not sure you understand what gender-free means.

that aside, you're making perfect sense today Job, carry on.

Wtf was that, reread your post and maybe try again.

 

[Job]

Brilliant, so in Job's mind, trans people are a bit like Jimmy Savile. Just like some people think that gays can't be scout leaders, because that's "a bit weird innit?"

Yes..yes..I do, I think all trans people are murderous pedofiles.
I was using the analogy literally.

 

[Gwadien]

You mean they dont effect you, and you are quite happy for other people to be effected by it, because scoring lib points is more important.

How do they effect you exactly?

Lib point scoring? Please. It's actually more about something you should be striving for; freedom for people to do what they like, rather than restricting them because it doesn't fit in with your personal ideals.

 

[caLLous]

Can we say affect instead of effect please.

 

[Job]

Tbh its all a bit ridiculous, I have no problem with trans people and get on with them fine , I've got a man turned woman in the family by marriage, I'm the one who talks to her the most.
But...unlike many people here Im empathic to peoples concerns, not just. .'Ill jump on the right bandwagon, and thatll make me look and feel good.'
She can get away with visiting female toilets because she is very petite and passes as a physically born female very well.
If she was a 15 stone, fat backed, droop faced man woman I would tell her she is probably scaring some women in the toilets.