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Not according to the law. If your the wrong gender then you can be prosecuted for public decency outrage or such.

Obviously that is referring to transfolk. An obviously blokey bloke in a female restroom means he's clearly in the wrong one.
 

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Obviously that is referring to transfolk. An obviously blokey bloke in a female restroom means he's clearly in the wrong one.
If they are trans and officially / surgically the sex they have changed to thats fine. If not its not really.
 

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If they are trans and officially / surgically the sex they have changed to thats fine. If not its not really.

Why only if they've ahd the surgery? A trans person is the gender they feel they are. I guarantee that a trans person, especially an MtF is like to be in far more danger, if forced to use a male restroom because they still have a penis, than any born female would be from them.
 

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"officially" lol what

Why does it matter at all if they have a dick or not? Getting worked up about this and making rules and stuff is so stupid. Which toilet somebody else uses has absolutely not effect your life at all. The fear that some men might use it as an excuse to "pretend to be trans" and sneak into a women's bathroom is absolutely retarded too. As if a man can't just walk into a women's bathroom and sexually assault someone anyway. They don't usually have security guards. Banning MtF trans people from entering women's bathrooms doesn't protect anyone and only marginalises a group of people who are already treated like shit by most of society.
 

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Whenever someone post something from the Daily Mail

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For someone who hates religion he certainly does admire the puritanical hangover of Christian dogma and the utter bullshit it forced on us for a thousand years.
I dont admire it, as usual any discussuon with the slightest controversy ends up with the person bringing it up as supporting it, thats why so many things dont get discussed, because..and I include half the people here..have insecurities that result in them blaming the messenger as they jump into their safe space of hiding in the mob.

Those cultural norms are real, they ARE the fucking argument and concern, but because you suddenly decided to be born again confronter of oppression on every subject that pops up, doesnt mean everyone has.
 

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You have insecurities. You acknowledge this - that this is born of your insecurities.

So, knowing that, why should a whole community of people suffer because you have irrational fear?

Man up. Bite em down. Stop worrying about who may or may not shit near you. It's never affected you in your entire life anyway.
 

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Yeah, good luck travelling anywhere with it though.
Don't see the problem. It doesn't stop you being identified in line with your passport.

Our christian sexual hangover makes some people resistent to change of this sort. A lot of other cultures just wouldn't give a fuck about this whole "controversy". It's a meaningless problem.

I just don't get why people care about this shit when it doesn't affect them. Personally, nobody gives a shit about how I gender-identify, so why should I give a shit about someone else's wants or needs? - Wants and needs I could barely begin to understand to boot.

Especially when it doesn't affect me, or anyone but them, one little bit.
 

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Main annoyance I have in the toilets are people who use the middle urinal in a bank of 3 when all are free. Use one of the end ones so I don't have to go next to you you grunting halfwit.

Soundproof cubicles would be awesome too. Nothing worse than popping in for a wee to be greeted by the sound of a duck being half strangled underwater, or a gang of clowns having a sprinting race over a bowl of jelly. I just want to pee without considering if the bloke in Trap 3 should really be seeing a doctor about that.

Funnily enough toilet gender issues don't really happen round here in Stafford - in fact I've only met one person round here who wasn't male or female, and he was called Dave for most of the week, then KAren at weekends. Does seem to be one of those issues that metropolitan people care about, and those of us out in the sticks are going "You what now?".
 

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What @Tom says @Bodhi.

Although, if the cat spends more than, say, 70% of it's time round your house rather than hers... i.e. she sees it once a week? I'd say, "sorry to point it out, but we feed it, it's round here most of the week, it turns up at yours one day a week - can we say "it's ours", but if that offends you, do you really need to stick it in a cattery since it's getting fed at ours anyway?"

This was my thought as well, he eats and sleeps here (normally on top of one of us), as we weren't sure who owned him (until Sunday at least) we even have insurance on him in case he needs any emergency vet bills. It's not like he has just started coming round either, he's been here for a year, and she's only just thought to ask where he is going....
 

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You have insecurities. You acknowledge this - that this is born of your insecurities.

So, knowing that, why should a whole community of people suffer because you have irrational fear?

Man up. Bite em down. Stop worrying about who may or may not shit near you. It's never affected you in your entire life anyway.
Your reply exactly proves my point..its not me who has the concerns..you need to practice this.
'Lot of people don't like gays'.

Homophobe!

"No I was just poi..

'"Scared of gays are you"
 

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Don't see the problem. It doesn't stop you being identified in line with your passport.

Our christian sexual hangover makes some people resistent to change of this sort. A lot of other cultures just wouldn't give a fuck about this whole "controversy". It's a meaningless problem.

I just don't get why people care about this shit when it doesn't affect them. Personally, nobody gives a shit about how I gender-identify, so why should I give a shit about someone else's wants or needs? - Wants and needs I could barely begin to understand to boot.

Especially when it doesn't affect me, or anyone but them, one little bit.

It does in quite a lot of countries actually. Good luck trying to get through customs in a country in the middle east, or even America, the way it is going. But don't let that stop you being OUTRAGED that someone has pointed out the obvious flaw :)
 

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Does seem to be one of those issues that metropolitan people care about.
Dunno about that. Seems to me that the insecure and un-intelligent give a shit about this issue. Everyone else realises that it doesn't affect them and pays little attention.

Outraged? About something that doesn't affect me? Nope. Not outraged at all. Just bemused that people give a shit about stuff that will never affect them.

Especially you, who proports to be enlightened. Why do you care? You're becoming a bit like job's mini-me.
 

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Jesus, you are dumb when the red mist comes down.

Re-read the post. It is a stupid idea to try and claim to be sex X when arguing with a customs dude in a country that imprisons and tortures homosexuals, trans people etc.

It just is. They could argue that they are entitled to say they do not identify with a particular sex. How many minutes do you think it would take for them to get carted off and thrown in a cell for 24 hours before being put on a plane home?

But at least they could be pleased they took the moral high ground...I suppose. They could probably take to twitter too.
 

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When are we going to address the elephant and call it what it is? Most trans people are just a psychiatric visit away from identifying with a pebble.
 

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Dunno about that. Seems to me that the insecure and un-intelligent give a shit about this issue. Everyone else realises that it doesn't affect them and pays little attention.


Outraged? About something that doesn't affect me? Nope. Not outraged at all. Just bemused that people give a shit about stuff that will never affect them.

Especially you, who proports to be enlightened. Why do you care? You're becoming a bit like job's mini-me.

I probably wasn't entirely clear (5 days in the sun playing golf and drinking means the ole grey matter is still waking up again) - it's something that only seems to happen in big cities, so us out here in the sticks don't really care, as it's not something we ever run into :)
 

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Don't really run into it in big cities either @Bodhi. Apart from maybe people feel that they can be more open there, but may get a shoeing in the sticks...

And @Raven, if that's your point then a) those people will be thinking twice about visiting anyway, b) government would talk to these countries about passport arrangements anyway (it's not like they change these things on a whim).

Still don't understand why you think I'm angry tho.
 

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I just rubbed my crystal ball. It told me that countries that see homosexuality as a crime would answer "you what mate?!" the moment we ask whether it would be cool if a handful of people wanted to identify as femaleeverysecondthursday or whatever.

It won't work, stupid idea.

Edit. Perhaps if people just got on with their lives and stopped finding something to be offended by all the time the incessant whine would stop.
 

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While we are on the subject of trans people.

@Scouse, would you fuck a lady boy? Or a fully Trans person? (assuming you were single)

Edit, Or a step further, would you sleep with a guy that identifies as female?

The caveat being that if a dude identifies as a women then he must be a women, if he fancies men then that makes him a heterosexual women? So as a heterosexual male that makes him compatible? yeah? No
 
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I wish right wing people would stop over exaggerating the liberal society that we live in and pretending it's some extremist society when it's clearly not.

Yes @Raven I'm talking to you, you're taking bollocks, please stop. :)
 

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