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I'm refusing to enter the Thor thread. I was suposed to go see that in Harrow on release night with my cousin. Daughter got sick and we couldn't travel. You would not believe the hassle I had getting a refund for the tickets I hadn't even collected.
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24806073

I like Annie Lennox but is it right for a person to call for more of themselves in their role? It seems morally neutral - she seems to be ignoring the fact that its teenage girls who drive the music industry so she needs to convince them if more older women are to be sucessfull.
 

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Think it's fair enough. Girl kicks him first, then he punches her. Girl takes a shot at his head, so he punches her. She falls back through the window.

If women want equality, then they should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions...
 

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Both of them? On what grounds?
For not keeping control of their dog for instance which they can now be done for on private property which they couldn't before

@BloodOmen was right tbh - but I did want to make a serious point.

We've had this discussion before - and a lot of people supported the harsher sentencing.

They were wrong IMO. This case demonstrates it. A family pet - which I'm pretty sure the parents wouldn't have dreamed would have killed their little girl.

Dogs have minds of their own. Prosecuting humans for what another animal does - unless that human deliberately set that animal on the other person - is ridiculous.
 

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Think it's fair enough. Girl kicks him first, then he punches her. Girl takes a shot at his head, so he punches her. She falls back through the window.

If women want equality, then they should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions...

Couldn't agree more tbh. I'd never beat a woman, and if she was attacking me hysterically I would simply restrain her. however if, like in that video, it was a calculated attack, intended to do some damage I'd drop her too.
 

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Couldn't agree more tbh. I'd never beat a woman, and if she was attacking me hysterically I would simply restrain her. however if, like in that video, it was a calculated attack, intended to do some damage I'd drop her too.

When asked I've always been very clear; if a woman takes a shot at you she should expect retaliation. Chivalry is dead.
 

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What a massive quim. If he has to punch a girl through a window because he got a little tap then he needs to seek help.
 

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What a massive quim. If he has to punch a girl through a window because he got a little tap then he needs to seek help.

Fail there Raven IMO.

He got kicked, then punched her. He didn't lose his rag or rage - he just hit her back tit-for-tat. She decided that she hadn't learned her lesson - so punched him in his face. So he punched her back in her face.

He wasn't following up in a rage, he wasn't losing his temper or acting disproportionately. He punched someone who punched him.

THEN as a result of the punch she lost balance and fell through the window.

Deserved what she got tbfh.


Edit: I have to say, I've been punched or slapped in the face by pretty much every long-term girlfriend I've had at one time or another. Whether it's jokey or because of rage they need to cut that shit out. If they expect men to hold their tempers then they should live up to the same standards.

A friend of mine is a cop. If they get called to a domestic they lock up the man. He says that 9 times out of 10 it's the woman who's going apeshit - but they lock up the man. That's because the man does more damage if he finally cracks.

He, and I, think this is wrong.
 

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im all in favour of retaliating against deliberate and provocative attack

and bear in mind, he put her through the window the SECOND time she went for him, bitch should of learnt first time :|
 

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An old saying comes to mind inspired by "If you can't do the time don't do the crime" it goes "If you can't take the slap don't do the tap" xD
 

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They were wrong IMO. This case demonstrates it. A family pet - which I'm pretty sure the parents wouldn't have dreamed would have killed their little girl.
The point as it was then and as it is now. You cannot know this. This could be a dog they has been kicked and poked its whole life and used for nothing but fighting. If that is the case and a dog that has been trained to kill has killed someone it is a weapon and the person should be held responsible.

Like before you are just trying to make it seem like this law means an automatic life sentence if your dig bites someone. Just wait and see what happens before you climb atop your ScouseBox(tm)

You are right about women who punch men as hard as they can but then act shocked because they get hit back. If you don't want to fight a man do not throw the first punch. A friend of the family was a long term victim of domestic abuse but he never told anyone. After years he flipped and kicked the ever loving shit out of her. It was not until he had a medical exam that they found hundreds of cigaret burns and even broken bones where she slammed doors on his hands and stuff. The police were really really good about it after that and she ended up doing time and he got counseling.
 

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I should say this dose not look like a case of a fighting dog. So if the parents are charged with Manslaughter or anything really I will be surprised and agree with you.
 

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@BloodOmen was right tbh - but I did want to make a serious point.

We've had this discussion before - and a lot of people supported the harsher sentencing.

They were wrong IMO. This case demonstrates it. A family pet - which I'm pretty sure the parents wouldn't have dreamed would have killed their little girl.

Dogs have minds of their own. Prosecuting humans for what another animal does - unless that human deliberately set that animal on the other person - is ridiculous.
It depends how they have treated the dog. If they have been mean to the dog and not kept control of it then they deserve to be prosecuted if they are really just an out of character incident for the dog then they shouldn't but they will have to prove one way or the other which is how it should be.
 

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I should say this dose not look like a case of a fighting dog. So if the parents are charged with Manslaughter or anything really I will be surprised and agree with you.

The papers would be baying for a nice long sentence if this "not fighting dog" had killed a random in a park - and so would their parents.
 

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Also they have only had the dog 4 weeks and it dose not look like a puppy so how well can they really know its temperament? It is not on the dangerous dogs list but it is a giant fucking dog. Dog Breed Info says the following.
The Bordeaux has a good and calm temperament. It is extremely loyal, patient and devoted to his family. Fearless and confrontational with strangers, he is a first class watch and guard dog. Socialize very well with other animals, preferably starting from an early age to avoid him being aggressive with other dogs. The Dogue de Bordeaux snores and drools. Despite his fearsome appearance, the Dogue de Bordeaux is gentle with children and family members. However, this is a powerful animal, and is not suitable for an inexperienced dog owner. The objective in training this dog is to achieve pack leader status. It is a natural instinct for a dog to have an order in its pack. When we humans live with dogs, we become their pack. The entire pack cooperates under a single leader. Lines are clearly defined and rules are set. You and all other humans MUST be higher up in the order than the dog. That is the only way your relationship can be a success. This breed needs a calm, but firm owner who displays a natural authority over the dog. One who is confident and consistent.
So it could be a case that they got in over thier heads and the dog challenged the child. I am not sure how I feel if this is the case. Without know the parents experience with dogs I can't judge this. But no way I would get a dog bigger than my children.
 

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Have you seen the dog? it doesn't look normal, it looks like its been fed steroids or something, its absolutely monstrous compared the girl

Looks just like the fucker that cornered me.

I'm surprised I had balls as big as I did. Looking at the photo it makes me feel like I should have run a mile.

I am not sure how I feel if this is the case

I am. It's a tragic accident. The parents can't suffer much more really...
 

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The papers would be baying for a nice long sentence if this "not fighting dog" had killed a random in a park - and so would their parents.
Yeah but that is where we need to have faith in the legal system :(
 

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It depends how they have treated the dog. If they have been mean to the dog and not kept control of it then they deserve to be prosecuted if they are really just an out of character incident for the dog then they shouldn't but they will have to prove one way or the other which is how it should be.

Well, dogs don't just snap for no reason, generally if they have been brought up in a family environment they're quite soft/playful so I've got no idea what caused it to do what it did to the girl. I can only assume it wasn't treated right or the girl was really annoying it in which case the parents should have stepped in and told her to stop it.... either way the dog itself is huge, looking at that picture it could have fit most of the girl in its mouth its so big in comparison.
 

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