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TdC said:
in the NL, a severely busy road like that would have separate bicycle paths. your blanket statement that a bicycle is not a fit vehicle for such a road I would have to consider very carefully tbh.

re taxing of vehicles, I am sure you'll agree that a bike issues considerably less wear and tear to a road, and ofc NO direct pollution effects..
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Tbh a big part of the maintenance budget goes on clearing up of accidents and as a minority group cyclists do feature disproportionately in those figures - now in the UK if you have an accident/breakdown on the motorway you may be presented with a bill for the clearup.

If you designed the bicycle today and said you wanted to ride it on roads they would never let you - its just a hangover from the distant past where roads were quiet and cars rare.
 
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DaGaffer said:
Its been pointed out (repeatedly) by certain people on here that vehicle taxation has nothing to do with the upkeep of the roads (at least not in Britain), so if a bicycle tax was introduced it wouldn't be because of any costs bikes incur, just the potential revenue they can raise in general taxation. It would be a tricky tax to introduce politically and would be a bitch to administer (I actually think the only practical route would be an additional purchase tax for the bike itself personally). I do think mandatory insurance is a good idea, but I don't know what you'd do about kids etc.

As for bike lanes, the big problem with a lot of urban areas in the UK is that dedicated cycle lanes simply aren't physically possible. Its the old argument that large parts of Holland (and Germany) were knocked so flat in the War that redesigning road spaces from scratch was easier than in the UK where it all kind of evolved piecemeal. Bikes were also a much bigger part of post-War transport planning in mainland Europe than they were here (Its obviously more complex than just that).
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I partially agree: here in NL nobody in their right mind gets a new bike due to a) the expense, and b) the horrendous theft rates, so there are tonnes of "old" bicycles that are constantly getting patched up and put back in to service. It's actually something of a "thing" to have a clearly vintage bike, but in perfect working order. A bike specific tax would be very hard to administrate, for the above and other reasons. On the other hand, bike coverage in the NL is ~100% as nearly everyone has at least one, and nearly everyone uses the one they have.
Re your other point...meh. I've been to London and to use that as an extreme example, well there are roads there that imo it's simply miraculous that cars can get down them let alone anything else.

Tbh such super tiny spaces are almost ideal for proving a bike can do a lot, though I agree that dedicated bike lanes are out of the question. On the other hand, it's -IMO- not the lack of lanes but the general attitude of road users towards each other that is the real issue: from what I have learned from you island dwellers talking among yourselves and from personal experience in London and Edinburgh is that the general perception is that CARS rule the roads, and if you're not in a car you can fuck off. End of story. Perhaps it's a war thing, perhaps not, but at the least this mind set results in a lot of bad attitude between cars, motorcycles, cyclists and peds. I don't propose to have a solution though sadly enough, just saying that there are countries where things are different.


rynnor said:
Tbh a big part of the maintenance budget goes on clearing up of accidents and as a minority group cyclists do feature disproportionately in those figures - now in the UK if you have an accident/breakdown on the motorway you may be presented with a bill for the clearup.

If you designed the bicycle today and said you wanted to ride it on roads they would never let you - its just a hangover from the distant past where roads were quiet and cars rare.
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re your first sentence: I don't understand. Are you saying the roadworks team would send you a bill for the accidental damage you did to a stretch of motorway after having an accident? To me that sounds odd, but also something that I would forward to my insurance and not lose a moments sleep. Ofc, re the ongoing discussion and what DaGaff mentioned about getting sued...I suppose the same argument would be valid if I had an accident and caused a traffic queue and everyone in the 10 miles of car-queue sued me for time damages, mental anguish as they viewed my twitching bleeding body being shoved in to an ambulance, general aggravation and all those other things the lawyers tell them to claim. That been done yet btw? You heard it here first, kids!

Re your second point: haha that's probably true lol :D
 
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TdC said:
re your first sentence: I don't understand. Are you saying the roadworks team would send you a bill for the accidental damage you did to a stretch of motorway after having an accident?
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It didnt happen until pretty recently - now the contractors brought in to maintain the motorways send people outrageous bills lol - only in the UK eh :p
 
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Probably NSFW. You know what human resources / female co-workers are like :rolleyes:

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Lamp said:
Probably NSFW. You know what human resources / female co-workers are like :rolleyes:

Does inverse side-boob count?

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Not NSFW at all - It's a beautiful photo, shows the shear beauty of the human race naturally whilst also showing our capabilities of making very good clothing and changing the colours of hair.
 
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Chilly said:
Not really, the share price was only going in one direction on that news whether it came out properly or not. The usual trick is to release it once the market is quiet so people don't have to go mad trying to sell out.
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Yes so if you release bad news strategically it would have been better and the drop in price reduced.
 
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Just found loads of old coppers and silvers I put away for some reason, added the silvers to £15, probably same again in coppers but I can't be fucked to count it, I saw a machine at Tesco which converts it to notes, but just wondering how much % it will take.
 
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