SPAM This thread is for random spam!!

rynnor

rynnor

Rockhound
Moderator
Joined
Dec 26, 2003
Messages
9,353
TdC said:
in the NL, a severely busy road like that would have separate bicycle paths. your blanket statement that a bicycle is not a fit vehicle for such a road I would have to consider very carefully tbh.

re taxing of vehicles, I am sure you'll agree that a bike issues considerably less wear and tear to a road, and ofc NO direct pollution effects..
Click to expand...

Tbh a big part of the maintenance budget goes on clearing up of accidents and as a minority group cyclists do feature disproportionately in those figures - now in the UK if you have an accident/breakdown on the motorway you may be presented with a bill for the clearup.

If you designed the bicycle today and said you wanted to ride it on roads they would never let you - its just a hangover from the distant past where roads were quiet and cars rare.
 
TdC

TdC

Trem's hunky sex love muffin
Joined
Dec 20, 2003
Messages
30,925
DaGaffer said:
Its been pointed out (repeatedly) by certain people on here that vehicle taxation has nothing to do with the upkeep of the roads (at least not in Britain), so if a bicycle tax was introduced it wouldn't be because of any costs bikes incur, just the potential revenue they can raise in general taxation. It would be a tricky tax to introduce politically and would be a bitch to administer (I actually think the only practical route would be an additional purchase tax for the bike itself personally). I do think mandatory insurance is a good idea, but I don't know what you'd do about kids etc.

As for bike lanes, the big problem with a lot of urban areas in the UK is that dedicated cycle lanes simply aren't physically possible. Its the old argument that large parts of Holland (and Germany) were knocked so flat in the War that redesigning road spaces from scratch was easier than in the UK where it all kind of evolved piecemeal. Bikes were also a much bigger part of post-War transport planning in mainland Europe than they were here (Its obviously more complex than just that).
Click to expand...
I partially agree: here in NL nobody in their right mind gets a new bike due to a) the expense, and b) the horrendous theft rates, so there are tonnes of "old" bicycles that are constantly getting patched up and put back in to service. It's actually something of a "thing" to have a clearly vintage bike, but in perfect working order. A bike specific tax would be very hard to administrate, for the above and other reasons. On the other hand, bike coverage in the NL is ~100% as nearly everyone has at least one, and nearly everyone uses the one they have.
Re your other point...meh. I've been to London and to use that as an extreme example, well there are roads there that imo it's simply miraculous that cars can get down them let alone anything else.

Tbh such super tiny spaces are almost ideal for proving a bike can do a lot, though I agree that dedicated bike lanes are out of the question. On the other hand, it's -IMO- not the lack of lanes but the general attitude of road users towards each other that is the real issue: from what I have learned from you island dwellers talking among yourselves and from personal experience in London and Edinburgh is that the general perception is that CARS rule the roads, and if you're not in a car you can fuck off. End of story. Perhaps it's a war thing, perhaps not, but at the least this mind set results in a lot of bad attitude between cars, motorcycles, cyclists and peds. I don't propose to have a solution though sadly enough, just saying that there are countries where things are different.


rynnor said:
Tbh a big part of the maintenance budget goes on clearing up of accidents and as a minority group cyclists do feature disproportionately in those figures - now in the UK if you have an accident/breakdown on the motorway you may be presented with a bill for the clearup.

If you designed the bicycle today and said you wanted to ride it on roads they would never let you - its just a hangover from the distant past where roads were quiet and cars rare.
Click to expand...

re your first sentence: I don't understand. Are you saying the roadworks team would send you a bill for the accidental damage you did to a stretch of motorway after having an accident? To me that sounds odd, but also something that I would forward to my insurance and not lose a moments sleep. Ofc, re the ongoing discussion and what DaGaff mentioned about getting sued...I suppose the same argument would be valid if I had an accident and caused a traffic queue and everyone in the 10 miles of car-queue sued me for time damages, mental anguish as they viewed my twitching bleeding body being shoved in to an ambulance, general aggravation and all those other things the lawyers tell them to claim. That been done yet btw? You heard it here first, kids!

Re your second point: haha that's probably true lol :D
 
rynnor

rynnor

Rockhound
Moderator
Joined
Dec 26, 2003
Messages
9,353
TdC said:
re your first sentence: I don't understand. Are you saying the roadworks team would send you a bill for the accidental damage you did to a stretch of motorway after having an accident?
Click to expand...

It didnt happen until pretty recently - now the contractors brought in to maintain the motorways send people outrageous bills lol - only in the UK eh :p
 
Lamp

Lamp

Gold Star Holder!!
Joined
Jan 16, 2005
Messages
23,288
Probably NSFW. You know what human resources / female co-workers are like :rolleyes:

Does inverse side-boob count?

3275923687_048c9646e5_z.jpg
 
Gwadien

Gwadien

Uneducated Northern Cretin
Joined
Jul 15, 2006
Messages
20,319
Lamp said:
Probably NSFW. You know what human resources / female co-workers are like :rolleyes:

Does inverse side-boob count?

3275923687_048c9646e5_z.jpg
Click to expand...


Not NSFW at all - It's a beautiful photo, shows the shear beauty of the human race naturally whilst also showing our capabilities of making very good clothing and changing the colours of hair.
 
Lamp

Lamp

Gold Star Holder!!
Joined
Jan 16, 2005
Messages
23,288
You two are the only ones who still play video games on here :p;)

The rest of us are washed of our sins (if not our bodies)
This is now Freddy's First Hexadecimal Church of Christalmightythathurt
 
Deebs

Deebs

Chief Arsewipe
Staff member
Moderator
FH Subscriber
Joined
Dec 11, 1997
Messages
9,077,368
Cunts that have the following as their signature:

"The name's Deebs.......but you can call me Noodles!!"
 
Edmond

Edmond

Is now wearing thermals.....Brrrrr
Moderator
Joined
Apr 21, 2008
Messages
11,540
People who keep saying 'lets all go out for a meal and a drink this weekend' and then never follow it up

People who never answer their phone or return your messages

People who are called noodles........
 
dysfunction

dysfunction

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
9,709
Chilly said:
Not really, the share price was only going in one direction on that news whether it came out properly or not. The usual trick is to release it once the market is quiet so people don't have to go mad trying to sell out.
Click to expand...

Yes so if you release bad news strategically it would have been better and the drop in price reduced.
 
Job

Job

The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
21,652
Are we really saying that the international money markets need to have bad news told them slowly.

'How's the Goggle share price?'
'It's stuck on the roof'
 
old.Tohtori

old.Tohtori

FH is my second home
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Messages
45,210
How can he not tell that's not a woman in the first gif? Second one would deserve a rainbow smiley, but a rainbow will do.
 
Gwadien

Gwadien

Uneducated Northern Cretin
Joined
Jul 15, 2006
Messages
20,319
Just found loads of old coppers and silvers I put away for some reason, added the silvers to £15, probably same again in coppers but I can't be fucked to count it, I saw a machine at Tesco which converts it to notes, but just wondering how much % it will take.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Top Bottom