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[Gwadien]

Chicken in a bag - get the sauce, put them on chips, put them in for another 2-3 minutes - chicken tasting win.

 

[Aoami]

nsfw

Spoiler

 

[old.user4556]

I see Wij has recovered from the operation.

 

[Aoami]

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[cHodAX]

 

[cHodAX]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-18540047

If they can build 1600 houses and renovate 1200 more for £115 million then why aren't more councils investing in new housing stock? If you charge a reasonable rent then you can pay off what was borrowed to fund development within 15 years or so and be left with brand new housing stock that will be good for another 50+ years whilst constantly delivering rents back into the council coffers for re-investment. Social housing does not have to be a big black hole for public finances if it is run properly.

 

[Raven]

There are too many houses and shitty little new build housing estates popping up all over the place. They should be renovating existing stock rather than building new ones. It's cheaper and less disruptive.

There are tons of council houses that are run down abandoned shells, sometimes entire streets of them.

 

[cHodAX]

There are too many houses and shitty little new build housing estates popping up all over the place. They should be renovating existing stock rather than building new ones. It's cheaper and less disruptive.

There are tons of council houses that are run down abandoned shells, sometimes entire streets of them.

In certain areas definately, totally agree. In some areas like mine though that isn't the case, everywhere is full and the old ones are refurbished but demand is massively outstripping supply, mainly due to immigration. The waiting list is approaching 6 years now unless you have special circumstances and qualify that way, which is why asylum seekers get housed first.

 

[Gwadien]

There are too many houses and shitty little new build housing estates popping up all over the place. They should be renovating existing stock rather than building new ones. It's cheaper and less disruptive.

There are tons of council houses that are run down abandoned shells, sometimes entire streets of them.

I disagree...

Building new houses makes jobs, therefore there's less unemployment, the new council houses are getting built with the future in mind. (There's a new council housing mini-estate thing near me with solar panels on all the roofs) Refurbishment is a decent proposal, but only in certain areas, although we're building outwards (which is good) it's about time we start to build upward in smaller cities, in Leicester, there's some council houses quite near to the city centre - some are empty yes, wait until everyone has moved out, knock it down, make some desirable flats, not Londons famous high-rise concrete flats, ugh no...

In Leicester especially, there's shed loads of empty factories (From Leicesters textiles era) that could be renovated, (some already have done so), you could give a home to thousands by doing so.

I have a friend who works in refurbishment of council houses, and he sometimes puts the odd photo on facebook, and the state that some people leave these houses in are some-what beyond repair.

 

[cHodAX]

I have a friend who works in refurbishment of council houses, and he sometimes puts the odd photo on facebook, and the state that some people leave these houses in are some-what beyond repair.

That is a weakness in both the social housing system and the law. The system forces the council or housing association to house those with crappy track records and when it all goes tits up the courts do not punish the offenders for the damage caused because all the prisons are full and the offender can not afford to pay any fines.

 

[Gwadien]

That is a weakness in both the social housing system and the law. The system forces the council or housing association to house those with crappy track records and when it all goes tits up the courts do not punish the offenders for the damage caused because all the prisons are full and the offender can not afford to pay any fines.

Conclusion; that's the problem with socialism

 

[Raven]

Building new houses makes jobs, therefore there's less unemployment.

Funny, that's just what Ireland, Greece and Spain thought Just before it all collapsed around them.

 

[Gwadien]

Funny, that's just what Ireland, Greece and Spain thought Just before it all collapsed around them.

Difference is though, councils buy the houses, not people, unless the said countries also have social housing?

 

[megadave]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auNSrt-QOhw

 

[Raven]

Difference is though, councils buy the houses, not people, unless the said countries also have social housing?

They still have to fund the housing, usually by borrowing.

 

[Gwadien]

They still have to fund the housing, usually by borrowing.

Well - I always thought the system was contractors buy land off council, contractors built houses, contractors sell back to council - taxation etc - everyones a winner?

Whereas refurb - council go in with 5 minimum paid apprentices and 'refurb' a shithole.

What my point is - the contractors have someone to sell back to either way, whereas in Greece etc, contractors get greedy, buy shit loads of land, build shit loads of houses, don't sell them, go bust.

When I went to greece, the amount of unfinished housing is amazing.

 

[DaGaffer]

When I went to greece, the amount of unfinished housing is amazing.

Deliberately. Tax loophole numero uno in Greece is that you don't pay stamp duty on an "unfinished" house. Hence, none of them ever are...

 

[Gwadien]

Deliberately. Tax loophole numero uno in Greece is that you don't pay stamp duty on an "unfinished" house. Hence, none of them ever are...

well, I mean.. they just had the foundations - i'm aware of the if you built 1 story and pretend to build another but never finish another story...

 

[Chilly]

Deliberately. Tax loophole numero uno in Greece is that you don't pay stamp duty on an "unfinished" house. Hence, none of them ever are...

Hah. So you buy your house, minus the carpets or windows or something, pay for it to be finished, pocket the dollars.

 

[DaGaffer]

Hah. So you buy your house, minus the carpets or windows or something, pay for it to be finished, pocket the dollars.

No, you just don't "finish" it at all. Usually a random pipe sticking out of a wall is enough to keep it in an untaxable state forever. If a tax inspector came around and you had "finished" the house, then they could fine you and back tax you from when it was finished.

 

[Gwadien]

No, you just don't "finish" it at all. Usually a random pipe sticking out of a wall is enough to keep it in an untaxable state forever. If a tax inspector came around and you had "finished" the house, then they could fine you and back tax you from when it was finished.

Yup - even super markets do it.. They usually have corner foundations sticking out of the roofs, it makes it look like the building has hair.

 

[megadave]

You'd think in their predicament they'd try and sort out the numerous loop holes ...

 

[Raven]

Some of them are but the public don't like it.

Nothing more entertaining for a Greek than a good bit of tax avoiding.

 

[Chilly]

No, you just don't "finish" it at all. Usually a random pipe sticking out of a wall is enough to keep it in an untaxable state forever. If a tax inspector came around and you had "finished" the house, then they could fine you and back tax you from when it was finished.

Pretty simple solution, then. Simply make it illegal to occupy unfinished houses or conduct business from an unfinished building.

 

[DaGaffer]

Pretty simple solution, then. Simply make it illegal to occupy unfinished houses or conduct business from an unfinished building.

Actually an even simpler solution; tax the money that changes hands and whether the building is finished or not is irrelevant. Like the rest of the civilised world.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/jun/22/ray-bradbury-internet-error-message-451?CMP=twt_fd

 

[Chilly]

Actually an even simpler solution; tax the money that changes hands and whether the building is finished or not is irrelevant. Like the rest of the civilised world.

Nah, not sure I like that. If I go bankrupt building a house, it's a bit unfair to charge stamp duty when trying to flog it to someone who will finish it. It reduces the incentive to finish things off.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Bah, really having this "need to get out and be social*cough* and all" feeling, but i just spent a weekend with peeps and next weekend is more so, so a relaxing weekend at home would be excellent.

Damn penis vs brain fights

 

[Bigmac]

Bah, really having this "need to get out and be social*cough* and all" feeling, but i just spent a weekend with peeps and next weekend is more so, so a relaxing weekend at home would be excellent.

Damn penis vs brain fights

In the same boat, want to go out but need to save.