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If you were to ask me what the dems stood for, it would be hard to define.
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Not really. They stand for the status quo - the state of the nation as it was under the last two democratic administrations.

Like Labour in the UK - they don't give a fuck that 50% of the population is destitute. By your own admission, they're ignoring the people they say they represent. But it's clear they don't.

They want to focus on what people say, how people think, what social norms society should have. They sell themselves as "tolerant" but they're only tolerant of their worldview and they're massively intolerant of those that think differently.

Same in the UK. Which is why they are sort of rumbled right now, and the electorate is turning towards a Trumpian asshat.
 
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Guess who just said this:

"Everyone loves my signature"

They were addressing a room full of military personnel. (clue: United Stupid Arseholes)
 
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Not really. They stand for the status quo - the state of the nation as it was under the last two democratic administrations.

Like Labour in the UK - they don't give a fuck that 50% of the population is destitute. By your own admission, they're ignoring the people they say they represent. But it's clear they don't.

They want to focus on what people say, how people think, what social norms society should have. They sell themselves as "tolerant" but they're only tolerant of their worldview and they're massively intolerant of those that think differently.

Same in the UK. Which is why they are sort of rumbled right now, and the electorate is turning towards a Trumpian asshat.
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Yes, I don't disagree. The problem is that the average GOP voter is extremely conservative and the average Dem is somewhere between very conservative and very liberal and they've managed to alienate both ends.

I joked to some friends the other day that we'd be better served by simply abandoning the democratic party and just having everyone run under the GOP banner.
 
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Yes, I don't disagree. The problem is that the average GOP voter is extremely conservative and the average Dem is somewhere between very conservative and very liberal and they've managed to alienate both ends.

I joked to some friends the other day that we'd be better served by simply abandoning the democratic party and just having everyone run under the GOP banner.
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I think that's something we'll see in both the UK and US, unity in the centre once sensible people wake up to the lunacy.
 
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I think that's something we'll see in both the UK and US, unity in the centre once sensible people wake up to the lunacy.
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The UK had a chance to prevent some of the lunacy by abolishing the first past the post voting system and moving to a proportional representation system. And labour balked because it would maybe hurt them short term. Now they're going to get demolished, and deservedly so. Most of the issues in the UK and US could be handled with a more representative democratic system, it's just a shame it will never change in the US.
 
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Gwadien said:
I think that's something we'll see in both the UK and US, unity in the centre once sensible people wake up to the lunacy.
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How do you define lunacy, specifically?

I'd say that Farage's plan to revoke leave to stay is lunacy. But I wouldn't say stopping migration is lunacy. It's simply a choice. Especially given the levels we've had for 30 years.

I'm not pro-or-anti that argument. I can see both sides. But I see it as 100% legitimate. So what's "sensible" in your eyes?
 
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Scouse said:
How do you define lunacy, specifically?

I'd say that Farage's plan to revoke leave to stay is lunacy. But I wouldn't say stopping migration is lunacy. It's simply a choice. Especially given the levels we've had for 30 years.

I'm not pro-or-anti that argument. I can see both sides. But I see it as 100% legitimate. So what's "sensible" in your eyes?
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I think you've illustrated the lunacy perfectly.

Nobody knows what they're going to do for the other 99% of being Government.

If you want an example of the 'other', see Trump today.
 
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I think you've illustrated the lunacy perfectly.
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So, you're OK with the stopping legal migration because "enough is enough" or somesuch?

The phrase "enough is enough" isn't racist - it means "we've had enough migration and it's no longer working for us". Which is perfectly arguable from a strong evidence base.
 
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'what about migration?'

'that's the point, it's lunacy that they're going to vote for them for a single issue'

'yeah but what about migration?'
 
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'what about migration?'

'that's the point, it's lunacy that they're going to vote for them for a single issue'

'yeah but what about migration?'
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But migration isn't a single issue is it?

It's access to GP's, house price inflation, wage deflation, rental property availability, social housing availability, NHS strain, cultural transformation.

That's just off the top of my head - and I didn't run out, just got bored of typing. All 8 of these are high up on voters minds and linked to legal migration.

So, where's the single issue?

Where's the lunacy? There is no other party saying they're going to do anything about it but Reform. Labour is going the other way - they're calling anyone who wants to address the root of the problem racist.

So again m8. Explain why they're lunatics, rather than the political parties that won't do anything about their problems?
 
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But migration isn't a single issue is it?

It's access to GP's, house price inflation, wage deflation, rental property availability, social housing availability, NHS strain, cultural transformation.
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No, immigration panic is a distraction to avoid fixing all those things. All of population growth the UK has seen has been accounted for in long term forecasts available to every government in decades (centuries) so they know about housing needs, they know about wages they know about NHS demands, all of it, and choose to kick the problems down the road again and again. The UK government isn't the only one to do this (in Ireland the population isn't as large as it's supposed to be by their own forecasts so they've dodged a bullet), but they're one of the worst, and blaming the immigrants they mostly invited in in the first place is classic distraction. And given Reform are just the the cunts too thick to be Tories (Tories who made immigration numbers far worse after Brexit), what's the point in thinking that their talk about immigration isn't just the same performative shit every other political party in the UK has lied about over the last 30 years?

You have no worthwhile political parties and frankly Britain is fucked no matter which way you go. Immigrants are about 10th on your list of fuckedupness.
 
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I mean, he's spending his time calling the country racist, not doing anything he said he would, doing stuff nobody wanted, running Tory Austerity Mark 2.0, locking up peaceful innocents whilst supplying arms to baby killers and telling us we're all wrong.

Oh, and he's taking direction from war criminal Blair (and taking money and gifts from 'donors').

You vote Tory you expect this. You vote Labour, you've been betrayed.*


*but you were a fucking idiot if you didn't see it coming.
 
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No, immigration panic is a distraction to avoid fixing all those things. All of population growth the UK has seen has been accounted for in long term forecasts available to every government in decades (centuries) so they know about housing needs, they know about wages they know about NHS demands, all of it, and choose to kick the problems down the road again and again. The UK government isn't the only one to do this (in Ireland the population isn't as large as it's supposed to be by their own forecasts so they've dodged a bullet), but they're one of the worst, and blaming the immigrants they mostly invited in in the first place is classic distraction. And given Reform are just the the cunts too thick to be Tories (Tories who made immigration numbers far worse after Brexit), what's the point in thinking that their talk about immigration isn't just the same performative shit every other political party in the UK has lied about over the last 30 years?

You have no worthwhile political parties and frankly Britain is fucked no matter which way you go. Immigrants are about 10th on your list of fuckedupness.
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What the man who ran away to be with the potato people said.

If you wanna stop immigration you gotta stop this idea we need perpetual growth.
 
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