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[Raven]

Diesels are for people that don't have anywhere to go in a rush, full stop.

 

[Scouse]

Meanwhile, capitalism.

‘Scandalous betrayal’: MPs condemn P&O Ferries for mass sacking of 800 staff

Ministers and unions call for action against transport company’s Dubai owners

www.theguardian.com

 

[Wij]

Meanwhile, capitalism.

‘Scandalous betrayal’: MPs condemn P&O Ferries for mass sacking of 800 staff

Ministers and unions call for action against transport company’s Dubai owners

www.theguardian.com

Not really. Just cunts in a country with lax labour laws.

 

[Scouse]

And the way we structure our markets means there's a strong pressure to have lax labour laws (and companies in Dubai owning ships that take people from Anglesey to Ireland).

 

[Raven]

It's funny watching Tories be all indignant about it, when they specifically blocked legislation that would make it illegal to fire and hire.

 

[Wij]

It's funny watching Tories be all indignant about it, when they specifically blocked legislation that would make it illegal to fire and hire.

Yes - it is possible to regulate capitalism to reduce cuntishness.

 

[Scouse]

Yes - it is possible to regulate capitalism to reduce cuntishness.

Not without one world government. Competition between markets is competition to deregulate in the interests of profitability.

People and environment are resources to be used and discarded by the system. That's why we've fucked the planet.

 

[Ormorof]

If only there was a way... P&O fury as 'ZERO French staff fired' despite all UK crew being let go with 800 jobs lost

 

[Yoni]

How is it that a company like P&O does not understand the UK legal requirements for redundancies...... their reason for doing appears legit similar to what is happening to my team and me at the moment... Although difficult and certainly not fun this would have gone so much more smoothly if they had correctly administered their restructuring plans - I assume that they believed that the french employment law system was too difficult to navigate (obviously as they have screwed up the UK redundancies) which is why the French employees are unaffected.

What should be recognised is that in the UK the unions have no clout whatsoever compared with other countries so it makes sense for P&O to take the easiest path of least resistance... what they have not done which is beyond me is to follow due process.

 

[Raven]

Nothing to do with the EU. Happens all over. The French have some serious employment law.

 

[Yoni]

I do not think anyone referred to the EU just that the UK has comparatively weak employment law in comparison to other countries in Western Europe ... France does not have the most complex or difficult either...

 

[Scouse]

The French would likely burn the ferries.

Good on them. That's how you get rights. You take them.

There is no other way. Which is why Britain is a country of slaves - we only fight amongst ourselves and have no solidarity. We're a broken people brought to heel.

 

[Raven]

I do not think anyone referred to the EU just that the UK has comparatively weak employment law in comparison to other countries in Western Europe ... France does not have the most complex or difficult either...

Except it happens all over Europe, EU or not. We had a German vendor that sacked most of their German staff and went agency, we stopped using them, last I heard they got bought out by a competitor.
Yeah, English employment law is not fit for purpose, neither are most countries laws.

 

[Scouse]

French bloke who did my job a couple of years ago left the company to go be CIO of a bank in Tahiti. He spent a couple of years out there.

They've had to keep his job open for him in case he wants to return, of course.

I'd like to see that happen in Blighty eh? Or Germany, where despite the expense our energy companies locate a lot of systems because it's cheaper to locate them there than sack the German staff, so they bin off the English.

We've some of the weakest employment laws in the "developed" western world. Of course, it's because we take after the yanks.



Edit: For the record, I think it's a "good thing" that the French bloke has the option to return. Companies can definitely afford it. We spunk enough of our profits into the hands of the already-rich, rather than into the people who earned the cash in the first place.

 

[Yoni]

Where has anyone said redundancies do not happen in Europe….. The issue here is how P&O have done this not why oO

 

[Gwadien]

It's been going on for years, I'd like to see how our 'recruitment' sector compares to other countries, I bet it's crazy...

 

[Raven]

It's only illegal in Spain and Ireland.

 

[Deebs]

Just found this on twitter and it made me chuckle so thought I would share it.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

Forty degrees, forty, above average at one end of the planet, and thirty degrees at the other.

And the news is about a skirmish in Ukraine that isn't even important enough for us to get involved militarily in.

 

[Scouse]

New P&O crew on less than £2 an hour, union claims

The RMT union says Indian seafarers recruited to work in Dover are on rock bottom rates.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raven]

Given the Tories an in to introduce laws that all government contracts have to pay at least minimum wage, not much we can do about Cypriot employment law.

But, Tories.

 

[Gwadien]

Given the Tories an in to introduce laws that all government contracts have to pay at least minimum wage, not much we can do about Cypriot employment law.

But, Tories.

But but but I thought Brexit would bring back freeeeedoooommm and allow our Government to do what they like?

Imagine if we became world leaders in bringing back jobs on the seas to our country?

Never going to happen, anyone that doesn't think Brexit means (Tory) Brexit then you are kidding yourself.

 

[BloodOmen]

View: https://youtu.be/DNQ2CHEL3Tw

 

[Raven]

But but but I thought Brexit would bring back freeeeedoooommm and allow our Government to do what they like?

Imagine if we became world leaders in bringing back jobs on the seas to our country?

Never going to happen, anyone that doesn't think Brexit means (Tory) Brexit then you are kidding yourself.

Maritime law is a bit iffy, once again, yep, absolutely nothing at all to do with Brexit, it depends on where the vessel is registered, for example P&O ships registered in Cyprus (In the EU) they are paid that low based on Cypriot law. There is little we can do about that.

What I meant was, that if we wanted, we could stipulate that regardless of where the vessel is registered (or anything else is for that matter) then those servicing the government contracts must be paid UK minimum wage. The Tories wouldn't do that even if we were balls deep in the EU.

 

[Gwadien]

Maritime law is a bit iffy, once again, yep, absolutely nothing at all to do with Brexit, it depends on where the vessel is registered, for example P&O ships registered in Cyprus (In the EU) they are paid that low based on Cypriot law. There is little we can do about that.

What I meant was, that if we wanted, we could stipulate that regardless of where the vessel is registered (or anything else is for that matter) then those servicing the government contracts must be paid UK minimum wage. The Tories wouldn't do that even if we were balls deep in the EU.

That's what I mean, that's exactly what they *could* do, and I'd imagine to many it was a part of the glorious post-Brexit future, not having 'leveling' up, and cutting out laws and red tape where it suits the employers, not the employees.

I'm not even blaming Brexit, that's the thing you're missing, nor am I blaming the company, they're completely fine within the parameters of the law, so why not change the law? I'm questioning what exactly are we doing differently in comparison to the EU, this seems like a pretty easy fix to be honest.

 

[Tom]

I wouldn't be so sure they can stipulate such a thing, no matter how good the intention. If a previous government has signed some treaty or other that says different. One for the lawyers.

 

[Gwadien]

St Helens dog attack: Girl aged 17 months killed at home

The dog that attacked 17-month-old Bella-Rae Birch in St Helens was killed by police.

www.bbc.co.uk

I blame social media.

Aww lookj at my new born baby with my dog sooooo qt xoxo

 

[Scouse]

St Helens dog attack: Girl aged 17 months killed at home

The dog that attacked 17-month-old Bella-Rae Birch in St Helens was killed by police.

www.bbc.co.uk

I blame social media.

I blame retards buying dogs and leaving them alone with 17 month olds.

 

[Gwadien]

I blame retards buying dogs and leaving them alone with 17 month olds.

I blame social media for showing people that it's an acceptable thing to do.

I don't think dogs have ever been humanised like this before, amazing dogs all over social media so they're all gonna be the same.