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[gunner440]

Naomi Osaka withdraws from French Open & reveals 'bouts of depression'

Naomi Osaka withdraws from the French Open after refusing to speak to the media, while revealing she has suffered from "bouts of depression".

www.bbc.co.uk

Good on her

I think that's the right move. If you don't like something then don't do it at all. Picking and choosing is a cop out especially when others in her mental health position aren't able to do the same thing. I'm now expecting her to pull out of the upcoming grass tournaments and then Wimbledon.

If she didn't like the media's behaviour before (which was perfectly normal in my opinion) then she's not going to like what's coming up. She might as well retire now then.

 

[Moriath]

 

[Raven]

Just eaten 8 chocolate orange clubs in one sitting.

 

[Aoami]

I think that's the right move. If you don't like something then don't do it at all. Picking and choosing is a cop out especially when others in her mental health position aren't able to do the same thing. I'm now expecting her to pull out of the upcoming grass tournaments and then Wimbledon.

If she didn't like the media's behaviour before (which was perfectly normal in my opinion) then she's not going to like what's coming up. She might as well retire now then.

I agree, she should. And if people dont think that's a problem then it's a real fucking shame.

 

[Tom]

I don't know about her mental health, but if she signed a contract to play in a tournament and that contract includes media interviews, then she's on dodgy ground.

 

[Moriath]

I don't know about her mental health, but if she signed a contract to play in a tournament and that contract includes media interviews, then she's on dodgy ground.

If you commit to something then you see it through. Unless it puts you in peril. Prove that or stick to your contract.

 

[Ormorof]

Is the prese conference a critical part of Tennis? Ferguson famously dodged them for years by sending his assistant because he hates dealing with the press, should he have "stuck to the contract"? Change doesn't happen magically by itself it happens because people call bullshit and disobey the rules

 

[Aoami]

Why can't we just let our athletes do their talking on the court/pitch/field? Hackneyed old saying, but I hate the media circus around sports.

 

[DaGaffer]

Is the prese conference a critical part of Tennis? Ferguson famously dodged them for years by sending his assistant because he hates dealing with the press, should he have "stuck to the contract"? Change doesn't happen magically by itself it happens because people call bullshit and disobey the rules

Ferguson dodged the BBC specifically, which was a bit different, and Manchester United remained available, and from memory they still got regularly fined by the Prem.

Yes, being available for press is a part of professional sport, of course it is, especially in a "solo" sport. Professional sport runs on exposure for its sponsors and its broadcast rights. Osaka would not be earning the vast sums she does without them, and frankly, while the types of press sports stars are contracted to do is intense during tournaments, its not particularly difficult, and I really don't buy the "press make me feel bad" argument. "Mental health" is the perfect cop out defence and I'm just a bit cynical about it.

 

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[Aoami]

Ferguson dodged the BBC specifically, which was a bit different, and Manchester United remained available, and from memory they still got regularly fined by the Prem.

Yes, being available for press is a part of professional sport, of course it is, especially in a "solo" sport. Professional sport runs on exposure for its sponsors and its broadcast rights. Osaka would not be earning the vast sums she does without them, and frankly, while the types of press sports stars are contracted to do is intense during tournaments, its not particularly difficult, and I really don't buy the "press make me feel bad" argument. "Mental health" is the perfect cop out defence and I'm just a bit cynical about it.

Yes they do make a lot of money from it - but it's not the players fault. As I said before, I'm sure most people get into sports because of the love for it, rather than the money.

 

[Scouse]

Yes they do make a lot of money from it - but it's not the players fault. As I said before, I'm sure most people get into sports because of the love for it, rather than the money.

She'll have signed sponsorship deals etc.

If she did, tough titties. Otherwise, if it's a condition of the tournament all she needs to do is turn up and give surly one-word answers.

A bit like Kimi Raikonnen

 

[Gwadien]

She'll have signed sponsorship deals etc.

If she did, tough titties. Otherwise, if it's a condition of the tournament all she needs to do is turn up and give surly one-word answers.

A bit like Kimi Raikonnen

Maybe the response to that what she's trying the avoid?

Meh, if a person is the best in the world at something I don't think talking to the media should block them from being the best in the world.

I just feel like you've all come to this conclusion because you see her as a snowflake, which is pretty sad.

I mean it's pretty amazing how in one thread the media are cunts and destroy people and then in the next you're all defending the media from someone making the exact same complaint.

 

[gunner440]

Maybe the response to that what she's trying the avoid?

Meh, if a person is the best in the world at something I don't think talking to the media should block them from being the best in the world.

I just feel like you've all come to this conclusion because you see her as a snowflake, which is pretty sad.

I mean it's pretty amazing how in one thread the media are cunts and destroy people and then in the next you're all defending the media from someone making the exact same complaint.

It's part of her obligation maybe? She doesn't like being interviewed straight after a loss oh boo hoo.

The tournament has its prestige and is able to raise funds via sponsorship money as it attracts the best stars in theory which then attract the fans and more importantly, the neutrals.

In my job from now on I only want to do the dinners and corporate events. Everything else I want to skip because it stresses me out, gives me anxiety and I fear for my mental health. Fuck her and fuck all of generation snowflake.

A good few years ago self-diagnosing yourself with dyslexia was the thing. I felt bad for actual dyslexic friends of mine who weren't taken as seriously because their bandwagon was so full of people unable to admit they just weren't good enough (read: thick as shit) at whatever it was they were being tested. My mummy told me I was special, therefore it's impossible for me to have failed. I must be dyslexic.

I wonder what comes after generation snowflake.

 

[gunner440]

Yes they do make a lot of money from it - but it's not the players fault. As I said before, I'm sure most people get into sports because of the love for it, rather than the money.

Definitely. Though I think that if they were like that then they'd reject the prize money and all the perks that come with it. I've not seen any tennis examples but I have seen some in football e.g. when Fernando Redondo decided it was not fair for him to be paid when he was injured long term at AC Milan. Joseba Etxeberria asked not to be paid for his final year at Athletic Bilbao as he felt the game had given him enough and he wanted to play for fun in his final year. Fair is fair. Woodgate was injured back in his Real Madrid days (and every other club but that's besides the point) but he never shirked his media responsibilities in Spain at least. It got him quite a lot of respect from the press here at the time.

 

[Tom]

I wonder what comes after generation snowflake.

Funny how the people who talk about snowflakes are the ones always complaining.

 

[Gwadien]

It's part of her obligation maybe? She doesn't like being interviewed straight after a loss oh boo hoo.

The tournament has its prestige and is able to raise funds via sponsorship money as it attracts the best stars in theory which then attract the fans and more importantly, the neutrals.

In my job from now on I only want to do the dinners and corporate events. Everything else I want to skip because it stresses me out, gives me anxiety and I fear for my mental health. Fuck her and fuck all of generation snowflake.

A good few years ago self-diagnosing yourself with dyslexia was the thing. I felt bad for actual dyslexic friends of mine who weren't taken as seriously because their bandwagon was so full of people unable to admit they just weren't good enough (read: thick as shit) at whatever it was they were being tested. My mummy told me I was special, therefore it's impossible for me to have failed. I must be dyslexic.

I wonder what comes after generation snowflake.

So yeah as I thought, your judgement is because you think younger generations are snowflakes and you're disregard everything they say about their mental health etc because they're all snow flakes.

Moral panic.

I don't even know how you can defend the media argument - how many people actually watch the press conferences Vs the sport? It's hardly like they're going to lose viewership/money over it, it's ridiculous.

Look at all the sporting types in the past that flew off the handle with the media and the media was always the bad guy, but we're changing that approach because what? She's under 40?

You ask whats after snowflakes but I ask whats going to happen after snowflakes in terms of divide and rule? I mean the invention of Teenagers was a massive thing which brought huge division between ages but it appears to be getting worse.

Fuck, maybe we're right to have a woefully underfunded mental healthcare system if we're still dancing to the stiff upper lip tune.

 

[gunner440]

Funny how the people who talk about snowflakes are the ones always complaining.

I agree. Maybe I am a snowflake. I've been cancelled so much the last few years that I feel like I can't say anything at all (not sure how it is in the UK but in Spain sometimes I think the cancel culture is way out of hand).

 

[Gwadien]

I agree. Maybe I am a snowflake. I've been cancelled so much the last few years that I feel like I can't say anything at all (not sure how it is in the UK but in Spain sometimes I think the cancel culture is way out of hand).

How have you been cancelled personally?

 

[gunner440]

How have you been cancelled personally?

Without going into too much detail.

During BLM I was asked what I thought about it and I said I don't know enough to really comment and that it wasn't a cause that was really 'close' to me. I was called a racist after that.

I was asked why I was leaving the rugby ground after the men's match as there was a women's game straight after. I said I didn't want to watch the game and then I was pressed for more reasoning. I then said I didn't enjoy watching them (the women) play. Groups of people at the ground then got at me for that.

I can go on but in the case of the first one, it got pretty violent during the 'conversation'. Mainly 'cos I continued having my dinner while this other person continued the barrage of insults. Ended up with someone else taking over the argument while I watched.

 

[Raven]

That's not deplatforming, that's people being dicks.

 

[Aoami]

That's not deplatforming, that's people being dicks.

Made me think of this classic


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[Tom]

You haven't been cancelled. Some people didn't like what you did and said so.

Nobody has stopped you from going back to the rugby. Nobody has stopped you talking about BLM.

 

[Ormorof]

Post match press conferences are hardly the reason sponsors are involved, their are pure ego boosts for the event organisers, sponsors pay to be associated with success nothing else.

press conferences are an antiquated, useless drag on most sports, why bother 🤷‍♂️

If all athletes involved hate it and think it only makes things worse then why not get rid (like VAR eh @Scouse )

 

[DaGaffer]

Maybe the response to that what she's trying the avoid?

Meh, if a person is the best in the world at something I don't think talking to the media should block them from being the best in the world.

I just feel like you've all come to this conclusion because you see her as a snowflake, which is pretty sad.

I mean it's pretty amazing how in one thread the media are cunts and destroy people and then in the next you're all defending the media from someone making the exact same complaint.

No, I've come to this conclusion because I don't see elite sport as anything but a business because I'm not four years old. When I see her not pocketing the prize money that comes from all those sponsorships and broadcast deals, then we can talk about not talking to the media blocking someone from being the best in the world. I'm sure Louis Vuitton, TAG Heuer, Hyperice, Nike, All Nippon Airways, Shideido, Bodyarmor, Nissan, Nissin, Citizen, Yonex, Wowow, Sweetgreen, Workday, etc. etc. are all thrilled she's decided not to bother giving them exposure (and yes, she's supposed to wear the gear and the watches etc. in media briefings).

As for the media, you're failing to understand "media being cunts", and "athletes avoiding their commitments" are not mutually exclusive.

 

[DaGaffer]

Post match press conferences are hardly the reason sponsors are involved, their are pure ego boosts for the event organisers, sponsors pay to be associated with success nothing else.

press conferences are an antiquated, useless drag on most sports, why bother 🤷‍♂️

If all athletes involved hate it and think it only makes things worse then why not get rid (like VAR eh @Scouse )

Except that's self-evidently not true. Look at F1 and the number of supporting shows Sky do around every race that entirely based around interviews with drivers and team principles. Drive To Survive is compelling TV, but also its one long sponsorship exposure exercise. Companies are paying vast amounts of money for sports exposure because a lot of it is live, when ads elsewhere can be skipped, and because yes, global audiences absolutely do want to hear those post-match interviews, and yes they do want the occasional meltdown or rant. Sponsors are paying for exposure to as wide an audience as possible first (especially event, rather than personal sponsors), and "success" second, and broadcast rights owners are paying for your immortal soul to put on display for public gratification and anything less is not good enough, but they pay the bills. Don't like it? Fuck off and play tiddlywinks instead.

 

[Aoami]

Except that's self-evidently not true. Look at F1 and the number of supporting shows Sky do around every race that entirely based around interviews with drivers and team principles. Drive To Survive is compelling TV, but also its one long sponsorship exposure exercise. Companies are paying vast amounts of money for sports exposure because a lot of it is live, when ads elsewhere can be skipped, and because yes, global audiences absolutely do want to hear those post-match interviews, and yes they do want the occasional meltdown or rant. Sponsors are paying for exposure to as wide an audience as possible first (especially event, rather than personal sponsors), and "success" second, and broadcast rights owners are paying for your immortal soul to put on display for public gratification and anything less is not good enough, but they pay the bills. Don't like it? Fuck off and play tiddlywinks instead.

I absolutely hate the attitude of "sport is a business now, like it or lump it". Fans didn't vote for everything in sports to be commoditised. That's why I was so pro-Super League. Fuck off all the big money brands to their own little club and hopefully the rest of us can go back to some sort of reality.

Edit - Also, F1 is a poor example. F1 is not a sport, its a soap opera for people who like to dream about the finer things in life.

 

[gunner440]

I absolutely hate the attitude of "sport is a business now, like it or lump it". Fans didn't vote for everything in sports to be commoditised. That's why I was so pro-Super League. Fuck off all the big money brands to their own little club and hopefully the rest of us can go back to some sort of reality.

Edit - Also, F1 is a poor example. F1 is not a sport, its a soap opera for people who like to dream about the finer things in life.

Thing is it’s the fans that drive up the demand. Not you and the guys who go watch the games or own season tickets (in the case of football) but the fans located elsewhere around the globe who, unfortunately for you, also count as fans.

 

[Aoami]

Thing is it’s the fans that drive up the demand. Not you and the guys who go watch the games or own season tickets (in the case of football) but the fans located elsewhere around the globe who, unfortunately for you, also count as fans.

I know this, but that doesn't mean I have to like it!! Again, hence why I was pro Super-League.

 

[DaGaffer]

I absolutely hate the attitude of "sport is a business now, like it or lump it". Fans didn't vote for everything in sports to be commoditised. That's why I was so pro-Super League. Fuck off all the big money brands to their own little club and hopefully the rest of us can go back to some sort of reality.

Oh come on. I've got friends who are Newcastle fans who were salivating over being bought by the Saudis last year. And the Superleague would just have sucked revenue out of everything else; if you're that much of a football purist, stick with Sunday League; the commercial ship has sailed on everything else.

Edit - Also, F1 is a poor example. F1 is not a sport, its a soap opera for people who like to dream about the finer things in life.

And Tennis isn't? You must be joking.