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[DaGaffer]

Absolutely agree on a procedural level. You can set thresholds that you must meet and then call that "proof of intent".

But you can't ever really prove intent. Not really. You can make considered judgement but that's it.

Which is why I'm uneasy about putting "intent to commit a crime" on level footing with "actually did it".

You can change your mind, even if you actually intend to do a thing. Right up until the last second.

There are other crimes with punishment and sentencing based on intent as well as action, like "going equipped" for a burglary. Intent in this context probably means "provably in the process of doing something but not completed", rather than y'know, telepathy.

 

[dysfunction]

There are other crimes with punishment and sentencing based on intent as well as action, like "going equipped" for a burglary. Intent in this context probably means "provably in the process of doing something but not completed", rather than y'know, telepathy.

Yes there is that already in many laws like "trespassing with intent to steal" or "assault with intent to kill" etc.

 

[Gwadien]

Uh oh

Golan heights time.

Russia calls on Israel to halt settlement activities in Palestinian territories

Sergei Vershinin, a Russian Deputy Foreign Minister, called on Israel on Wednesday to "immediately" stop all settlement activities in the Palestinian Territories, RIA news agency reported.

www.reuters.com

 

[Wij]

Uh oh

Golan heights time.

Russia calls on Israel to halt settlement activities in Palestinian territories

Sergei Vershinin, a Russian Deputy Foreign Minister, called on Israel on Wednesday to "immediately" stop all settlement activities in the Palestinian Territories, RIA news agency reported.

www.reuters.com

Bad stuff yes but it's a bit rich coming from Russia.

 

[Gwadien]

Bad stuff yes but it's a bit rich coming from Russia.

Oh I know, I was thinking oh cool Russia are doing something about it.

Then hang on a minute, Russians are in Syria, and there's a fuck load of gas in the Golan Heights..

Hmmm.

 

[Gwadien]

In other positive news;

Police release men from immigration van blocking Glasgow street

Ch Supt Mark Sutherland says the pair had to be let go to protect safety and public health.

www.bbc.co.uk

PEOPLE POWER!

cue facepalms from Moriath and Embattle

 

[Wij]

Oh I know, I was thinking oh cool Russia are doing something about it.

Then hang on a minute, Russians are in Syria, and there's a fuck load of gas in the Golan Heights..

Hmmm.

They annexed South Ossetia and Crimea and are annexing Donbas now. Their 'anti-imperialist' credentials are laughable.

 

[Wij]

Even more confusing is that the Twitter tankies who are sharing stuff like this supposedly to show how much they care about Palestinians seem oblivious to the fact that Assad kills Palestinians all the time:


View: https://twitter.com/Syrians4J/status/1392616323713220613

 

[Wij]

And also:


View: https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1392419164648873987

 

[Gwadien]

I think both posts show the bunker mentality clear as day, they're both desperate.

 

[Raven]

Yes, but only one is attempting (and getting away with) invasion and occupation with an eventual aim of extermination.

 

[Moriath]

Uh oh

Golan heights time.

Russia calls on Israel to halt settlement activities in Palestinian territories

Sergei Vershinin, a Russian Deputy Foreign Minister, called on Israel on Wednesday to "immediately" stop all settlement activities in the Palestinian Territories, RIA news agency reported.

www.reuters.com

Trouble is i agree with them on this.

 

[Moriath]

In other positive news;

Police release men from immigration van blocking Glasgow street

Ch Supt Mark Sutherland says the pair had to be let go to protect safety and public health.

www.bbc.co.uk

PEOPLE POWER!

cue facepalms from Moriath and Embattle

I understand they released them because if they didnt the crowd might turn violent.
i have no background on who they were, why they were in there to make a judgement.

but assuming they were held legally they should have fought for their right to stay or innocence or whatever in court.

 

[Scouse]

Again, agree. But how's

Yes there is that already in many laws like "trespassing with intent to steal" or "assault with intent to kill" etc.

Yep. But you don't get the same sentance.

Intending to burgle a house, as opposed to actual burglary. You have to leave space for people to make different decisions.

Or you'll have police waiting outside the doors of known burglars. "You intend to rob a house boyo"...

....might not be a bad idea.

 

[Embattle]

Solar panels are key to Biden's energy plan. But the global supply chain may rely on forced labor from China | CNN Business

New report alleges parts of China's solar panel supply chain rely on forced Uyghur labor and dirty coal.

edition.cnn.com

Report - https://www.shu.ac.uk/helena-kenned...h-and-projects/all-projects/in-broad-daylight

 

[Gwadien]

119 Palestinians.

9 Israelis.

Current death count... Yet I'm still seeing more reports about the attacks by Hamas.

 

[Aoami]

 

[Bodhi]

Yes, but only one is attempting (and getting away with) invasion and occupation with an eventual aim of extermination.

The extermination of Israel is a pretty big part of Hamas' reason for being tbh.

 

[Scouse]

The extermination of Israel is a pretty big part of Hamas' reason for being tbh.

Should be ours too.

The west should overthrow the government and install a secular state that isn't a racist piece of shit.

They should remove the internal borders and rename the whole country. Israel and Palestine should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

 

[Wij]

Should be ours too.

The west should overthrow the government and install a secular state that isn't a racist piece of shit.

They should remove the internal borders and rename the whole country. Israel and Palestine should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

So, do an Iraq on it?

 

[Bodhi]

Should be ours too.

The west should overthrow the government and install a secular state that isn't a racist piece of shit.

They should remove the internal borders and rename the whole country. Israel and Palestine should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

That's a hard disagree from me. Jewish people have just as much of a right to a homeland or "safe space" - hate that phrase - as any others, especially considering the persecution they've suffered over the years.

Plus, they can't be that racist, considering 20% of the Israeli population are Arab - and from what I heard when I was over there a few years back, they are very happy and live with the wider Israeli population in peace - mostly because they don't support Hamas or lobbing rockets at Tel Aviv.

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dysfunction]

That's a hard disagree from me. Jewish people have just as much of a right to a homeland or "safe space" - hate that phrase - as any others, especially considering the persecution they've suffered over the years.

Plus, they can't be that racist, considering 20% of the Israeli population are Arab - and from what I heard when I was over there a few years back, they are very happy and live with the wider Israeli population in peace - mostly because they don't support Hamas or lobbing rockets at Tel Aviv.

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Except they are not playing nicely together at the moment

Israel: Jewish and Arab mobs spread violence

A Jewish mob assaults a man live on TV while Israeli Arabs attack a Jewish driver in Acre.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

So, do an Iraq on it?

I'd certainly do a South Africa on it.

It's a racist apartheid country that's functionally oppressing a huge amount of people. It's a disgusting state that is an affront to the ideas of equality and the best humanitarian ideals of mankind.

It needs "wiping off the map" and replacing.

 

[Embattle]

Plenty of blame to go around on both sides, as usual a minority cause the majority of the trouble while the majority seek cover but the problem becomes that the more these incidents happen and the longer they go on that minority gets bigger and more support.

 

[Wij]

I'd certainly do a South Africa on it.

It's a racist apartheid country that's functionally oppressing a huge amount of people. It's a disgusting state that is an affront to the ideas of equality and the best humanitarian ideals of mankind.

It needs "wiping off the map" and replacing.

We didn't wipe South Africa off the map.

 

[Scouse]

We didn't wipe South Africa off the map.

Don't really care. The name Israel is too provocative. We need to remove it again and move on.

 

[Aoami]

Plenty of blame to go around on both sides, as usual a minority cause the majority of the trouble while the majority seek cover but the problem becomes that the more these incidents happen and the longer they go on that minority gets bigger and more support.

lol, this is absolutely not a minority. It's a fucking pogrom except this time it's the jews doing it.

 

[Raven]

It's the Jewish state doing it, plenty of Jews are against it.

 

[Moriath]

That's a hard disagree from me. Jewish people have just as much of a right to a homeland or "safe space" - hate that phrase - as any others, especially considering the persecution they've suffered over the years.

Plus, they can't be that racist, considering 20% of the Israeli population are Arab - and from what I heard when I was over there a few years back, they are very happy and live with the wider Israeli population in peace - mostly because they don't support Hamas or lobbing rockets at Tel Aviv.

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its a make it a mixed society and then everyones space is safe. Or the Palestinians are being corralled into ghettos and they going to get pissed off every few years and this will continue to happen.

need a coalition of both sides to run the whole place fairly for everyone. Like in northern ireland.

 

[Aoami]

It's the Jewish state doing it, plenty of Jews are against it.

A fair correction, but the point still stands.