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Scouse said:
So, Governments let us buy stuff that's immorally made.

Don't blame the end consumer. In such a complex ecosystem we need regulatory intervention.

Yes, you can make as moral purchasing choices as you can. I bet the top 5% of your students can grasp that and actually follow through in real life.

The rest? Regulation.
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I think it's more to do with people wanting cheap shit from China more than they care about than the lives of the Chinese.
 
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Gwadien said:
I think it's more to do with people wanting cheap shit from China more than they care about than the lives of the Chinese.
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Do that 95% of your pupil base understand, at a deep level, that in a capitalist society they can assert moral purchasing decisions by witholding their spending power (often at a personal cost to themselves)?

Or are they normal kids?
 
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Gwadien said:
I think it's more to do with people wanting cheap shit from China more than they care about than the lives of the Chinese.
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If its in the shops who looks at the where its made before deciding they want it? Its up to governments to pressure and not deal with regimes that use slave labour and such.
but one country cant do it on their own. Which is why the whole eu doing a deal is a bad thing. They have the power to move chinese policy if they have the balls.
 
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If its in the shops who looks at the where its made before deciding they want it? Its up to governments to pressure and not deal with regimes that use slave labour and such.
but one country cant do it on their own. Which is why the whole eu doing a deal is a bad thing. They have the power to move chinese policy if they have the balls.
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LOL.

So now the UK dealing with China = fine

EU dealing with china = bad?
 
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Nobody should be dealing with China. Scummy leadership. And that includes not using the Epic store.
 
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Gwadien said:
LOL.

So now the UK dealing with China = fine

EU dealing with china = bad?
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No thats not what i said.

i said one country on its own would have little sway. As china has the rest of the world to trade with.

i would welcome our government to pressure the chinese to stop their ways. It would inconvenience the ppl of the uk more than they realise but it is up to governments to pursue this.

the eu are in a greater place to do this and seem not to be bothered.
 
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The West isn't hostile to China because they give us cheap shit.

It would be -way- too much bother of any western Government to trade that out for something as silly as principles; more people would complain about them not getting cheap shit than they would about the treatment of the Chinese people.

I also find the whole 'Oh the Government should be making that decision, not influenced by the people' weird, isn't that the main reason why China is criticised?
 
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Come on @Gwadien - I asked that question of your pupils twice. It has a direct bearing on this discussion - including the points you're trying to pick @Moriath up on.


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I also find the whole 'Oh the Government should be making that decision, not influenced by the people' weird, isn't that the main reason why China is criticised?
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Again. That's not what's been said. You're going places where nobody else is.

Why not answer the question I asked (twice), instead? Then we can get closer to a better understanding of our differences.
 
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and I answered it, all of them would be outraged, zero of them would be interested in doing anything about it if it meant they don't get cheap shit.

That's my point.

All the outrage towards China is fake because people don't actually care and therefore our Government doesn't really care.
 
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All the outrage towards China is fake because people don't actually care and therefore our Government doesn't really care.
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You can't love what you don't know. That's a human failing. It's why David Attenborough makes nature documentaries - he wants us to love nature, so we'll try to protect it.

When it comes to politics, our leaders know this. And their first job is to protect us.

If China wins, we'll all end up slaves like their population. It's our leader's job to make that case to the electorate, as much as it is for our electorate to make the demand that the world is fair of our leaders.

The electorate don't want those conditions in the west - our leaders should be promulgating that through their actions in our name.


Either way - I'm not sure what you're trying to say. "Because the population doesn't express OUTRAGE on every level, we should just let China do what they want"?

What is it you're saying / want to happen @Gwadien? There's a lot of people on this thread expressing their displeasure on how China does things. So it's not as if that underlying sentiment isn't there. It's up to Government to ensure that the things we buy aren't produced by slave labour. People can't vote with their pockets in any meaningful way.

Therefore it's up to Government to take a lead on our purchasing abilities. It's a partnership, not a dictatorship.
 
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Raven said:
Nobody should be dealing with China. Scummy leadership. And that includes not using the Epic store.
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The CCP are basically just the Chinese Mafia. So I agree, I don't entirely agree with the Epic store though, Epic isn't 100% owned by China, I believe its still majority owned by non-chinese entities... I get what you mean though.

As for more serious matters like War etc, it'll happen eventually.. can't say when that is but the way China is going with making new islands then claiming Sea/Land that clearly they have no right to be claiming sooner or later it's going to boil over into an all out war, just look at what happened with India recently... Chinese ended up using fucking microwave tanks on them to cook them alive.
 
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Isn't it majority owned by Tencent? Which might as well rename itself as CCP Gaming arm?
 
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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNbHn3i9S4


At the time some would have called that track the reinvention of modern pop music. But maybe it's just crap ;)
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Modern pop music is a great way to describe it.

4 handsome lads making girls scream in the audience whilst playing catchy tunes.

Don't get me wrong, they're not on the level of rinse repeat pop music of today but they were very much shoved down people's throats.

Especially when you look at their contemporaries, I wouldn't give them the revolutionary credit that they appear to get.
 
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8 albums of revolutionary music > 5 albums of decent pop.

Saying The Beatles were just a pop band shoved down everyone's throat is revisionism at it's finest.
 
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