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[Scouse]

Are we talking about halal/kosher in general are we talking about the non-stunning part?

Who gives a fuck? is my response.

Maximum animal welfare - fuck religious sensibilities that go against that.

Human proclivity to worship imaginary beings and make up rules that humans are supposed to obey that these imaginary beings are supposed to have mandated (previously, of course, on pain of death to those who didn't follow those rules) is no system that we should lend any credence in modern society.

Yes, let wankers worship non-existent deities. But when it comes to harm, any harm, of other life then they can get tae fuck and crawl back to the dark-aged stone that their opinions and traditions come from under.


That's about as polite and respectful as I can be about it.

 

[Gwadien]

So you're saying you're saying you still have a problem with animals that go through the exact same process as non-halal/kosher, but with an added prayer?

 

[Scouse]

So you're saying you're saying you still have a problem with animals that go through the exact same process as non-halal/kosher, but with an added prayer?

No.

I was extremely clear in what I said so there was no ambiguity.

You are digging, trying to attribute something to me that I didn't say. Clearly.


But just to be extra clear, I'll repeat myself:

Yes, let wankers worship non-existent deities. But when it comes to harm, any harm, of other life...

That covers your question, 100%.

 

[Gwadien]

So we agree then?

 

[Scouse]

No, actually. We don't - because:

So you're saying you're saying you still have a problem with animals that go through the exact same process as non-halal/kosher, but with an added prayer?

That's not the process though is it.

Modern slaughter and the barbaric practices of halal slaughter aren't just "the same with prayer". Animals slaughtered for Halal meat must be alive whilst they are bled.

Even if animals are stunned, it's no guarantee that increased suffering doesn't occur from halal slaughter. The day to day practices for halal slaughter are not the same and even if followed perfectly can give rise to situations where animals unnecessarily suffer.

It's not the praying. Nobody gives a fuck about tin-foil hattery. Pray away whilst you humanely slaughter your animals in the most efficient, pain-free way we can achieve. Not the most efficient pain free way we can achieve within the confines of bullshit religious tradition.



If Halal/Kosher practice was as simple as "killing in exactly the same way, but saying a prayer" then nobody would even blink.

But it isn't. It's barbaric, unnecessary and should be totally banned. They should have to eat meat slaughtered in the same factories, to the same standards. There should be a separate production line where muslims and rabbis' can say prayers over the animals as they are killed. It would be utterly fucking ridiculous, of course, but hey ho - that's tolerance for you.

We should not tolerate any increased harm because of religious idiocy though.

 

[Bodhi]

Whilst I have no problem morally with killing animals for food, I'd still rather we used our centuries of amassed knowledge to do it in the most humane way possible. Just because your particular sky fairy was a sadist and wants to torture animals to death whilst some dude from the church does the hokey cokey, doesn't mean that should in any way translate to the laws of the land and how we do things.

Just more evidence for my theory that people who don't eat bacon are wrong in the head.

 

[Job]

What is the process though?
A huge amount of out meat in the UK is 'halal' and quite obviously there isnt thousands of religious official with knives slaughtering and praying at 200X speed.
Im guessing they just have some bored muslim who wanders in each day and blesses the equipment.

The real halal slaughter is going on in the ghettos and butchers in muslim districts.

Regardless, the whole thing has just become industrial carnage dealt out to creatures who we have little understanding of their sentience.
13m Turkeys will be slaughtered in the UK just this christmas, its become a moral dead end simply by the numbers, we kill and eat 900 million chickens a year in the UK and most if them live very short and crammed lives.
We just cant keep it up, something has to give.

 

[Scouse]

@Gwadien in so desparate to disagree with me shocker that he actually agreed with @Job's full-of holes wrongthink.

 

[Job]

By coincidence Im watching Nadias American trip...bakeoff winner...which is simply a segment of anti Trump ,muslim propaganda, shes talking to an Iman called Jihad, yes no fucking shit...Jihad, promoting halal food, calling it safer and then crying to the camera about how muslims are persecuted.

They are just trolling now.

 

[Gwadien]

@Gwadien in so desparate to disagree with me shocker that he actually agreed with @Job's full-of holes wrongthink.

I agree with this part;

Regardless, the whole thing has just become industrial carnage dealt out to creatures who we have little understanding of their sentience.
13m Turkeys will be slaughtered in the UK just this christmas, its become a moral dead end simply by the numbers, we kill and eat 900 million chickens a year in the UK and most if them live very short and crammed lives.
We just cant keep it up, something has to give.

I just don't understand how you can think that the meat that the vast majority society consumes comes from that guys farm around the corner from yours, it doesn't.

I mean, there's a reason for the rise of Veganism, and it isn't because they're all a bunch of swivel head lefties.

@Job switch over to BBC2 at 9PM

 

[Gwadien]

Besides, I always though the standard practice was to stun and cut the throat anyway, regardless of halal or not?

 

[Access Denied]

Here you go @Gwadien I've got a paywall bypass!

The Royal Air Force has admitted for the first time that black applicants are significantly more likely to fail its selection tests than their white counterparts.
Documents seen by The Telegraph reveal that white and Asian applicants to the RAF consistently score up to 36 per cent higher than black candidates on tests of technical skills and spatial awareness.
Defence chiefs have insisted the Airwoman and Airmen’s Selection Tests (ASTs) had been proven not to be biased against any ethnicity, and blamed the disparity on “underlying inequality” in education.
“It is also important to recognise there can actually be true differences between groups,” the RAF added in a statement.
The figures appear within documents released under freedom of information laws after the Ministry of Defence refused to publish them for five months.


Their disclosure will raise significant questions about the potential barriers to entry facing young black people determined to join the UK’s armed forces. The RAF in particular has already accepted that it has a diversity problem, with fewer than three per cent of regulars identifying as BAME (black and minority ethnic).
A senior source in the RAF said “no definitive answer” had been discovered as to why some ethnic groups outperform others on the aptitude tests. Defence chiefs have hired psychologists to examine the ASTs for signs of racial bias, the source added, but no evidence has ever been found that the exams taken by thousands of candidates every year are unfairly skewed toward any ethnicity.
“The ASTs are very good at working out whether someone is right for the RAF. No more, no less,” the senior source told The Telegraph.
“This is the military, and we need our people to be the best. If we can’t find evidence that the tests are unfair, then what can we do?”


The documents show the results for the four main ASTs taken between 2015 and 2020, broken down by self-declared ethnicity. Each table reveals a significant and consistent gap between the marks scored by black applicants, and those achieved by their white and Asian counterparts.

The numbers are scores rather than percentages, and the individual pass mark is decided by the type of role applied for.
On the ‘BIS’ test, designed to test spatial awareness, including that of potential RAF gunners, candidates from a Black African background scored a five-year average of 40.6.
However, White British applicants scored a five-year average of 55.4, more than 36 per cent higher. Those declaring a Mixed Black Caribbean and White ethnicity scored 51.4, candidates of Asian Indian ethnicity scored 50.1, while applicants from a Chinese background scored highest, with 60.1.

The pattern is repeated in the three other main aptitude tests, including the ‘DIS’ test which examines suitability for “trades technical in nature”.
Applicants from a Black African background scored a five-year average of 40.7 on the exam, while those of Black Carribean ethnicity achieved 44.8. White British candidates, meanwhile, scored much higher with 56.4. Candidates from a ‘White Gypsy or Irish Traveller’ background were among the highest scorers with an average of 59.8.
The documents also reveal how few candidates from minority ethnic groups are applying to join the RAF, although the numbers are slightly increasing.
Last year, only 53 people from a Black Caribbean background and 141 people identifying as Black African applied to join the air force, compared to 7,790 candidates declaring as white British.

A RAF spokesman suggested that the disparity in test results between groups may partly be explained by the comparatively small sample size.
“It is possible that the ethnic minority candidate groups may not be a fair representation of the ethnic minority general population,” the spokesman added.
A spokesman for the RAF BAME Network said there was “more to be done” to break down “potential barriers to recruitment” faced by young black people wanting to join the RAF.

An RAF spokesman said: “The RAF has a proud history of offering opportunities to anyone who has the ability to serve, no matter their background. Aptitude tests are designed to assess a candidates’ potential for the job they are applying for, with professional analysis confirming they are not biased.
“These tests are just one tool used to assess a candidate’s suitability for a career in the RAF. As the percentage of BAME personnel in the RAF continues to increase, we are actively encouraging more individuals from BAME backgrounds to consider a career with us."

Edit: Bollocks. That'll teach me to read further down the page.

 

[Scouse]

I just don't understand how you can think that the meat that the vast majority society consumes comes from that guys farm around the corner from yours, it doesn't.

I mean, there's a reason for the rise of Veganism, and it isn't because they're all a bunch of swivel head lefties.

Once again, you're making stuff up that I've never said.

And not only that - stuff that I've already spelled out very clearly in different discussions on this. The existence of a massive meat food chain doesn't negate the requirement for that to be as humane as it possibly can be.

It's a childish and petulant argument. Directly akin to "there are coal power stations in the world, so why should I bother recycling".

 

[Jupitus]

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1339327912978378755

 

[MYstIC G]

He is personally insulting me by being a thick racist.

You choose what you're offended by. Make better choices, like ignore

 

[Raven]

He posts his racist bullshit in every single thread, he always find some angle to bang on about BLM or some shit. It would make everything completely unreadable (Ive tried)

 

[Moriath]

He posts his racist bullshit in every single thread, he always find some angle to bang on about BLM or some shit. It would make everything completely unreadable (Ive tried)

Every village has its idiot. Just smile politely and wave. Please dont taunt the slow of brain its considered cruelty.

 

[Moriath]

US judge says parents owe son over trashed porn collection

The 42-year-old sued his parents, saying they threw away an "irreplaceable" collection worth $25,000.

www.bbc.co.uk

@Wij whats yr last name?

 

[Wij]

US judge says parents owe son over trashed porn collection

The 42-year-old sued his parents, saying they threw away an "irreplaceable" collection worth $25,000.

www.bbc.co.uk

@Wij whats yr last name?

 

[Yoni]

You choose what you're offended by. Make better choices, like ignore

I started doing this more and more earlier this year not just with Job - his posts are so fantastical I rarely find it necessary. If you find it does detract from the flow you can temporarily read the post (it is true that sometimes I wish I had not).

 

[Job]

Boeing reassuring news at every turn.
Are they on a mission to destroy the company?

737 Max: Boeing 'inappropriately coached' test pilots, say senators

Planemaker and US regulator may have tried to cover up important information relating to deadly crashes – official report

www.theguardian.com

 

[Job]

My favourite decrepid academic destroys theories about jews being responsible for immigration and the windrush ship by pointing out any group is just as involved.


View: https://streamable.com/hvri9o

 

[Moriath]

'Creepy' drive-through grotto 'an absolute fiasco'

Some people said they queued for hours, to be confronted by sinister performers and a bored Santa.

www.bbc.co.uk

the general public are so gullible. Do they have memories of a gold fish.

everyone knows these christmas pop up experiences are shite and expensive

why do they act so surprised lol

i guess it is norfolk

'Creepy' drive-through grotto 'an absolute fiasco'

Some people said they queued for hours, to be confronted by sinister performers and a bored Santa.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

EU nears China trade deal despite slave labor fears

Companies want greater market access, but EU politicians point to Beijing’s attacks on Hong Kongers and Uighurs.

www.politico.eu

 

[caLLous]

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Embattle]

EU nears China trade deal despite slave labor fears

Companies want greater market access, but EU politicians point to Beijing’s attacks on Hong Kongers and Uighurs.

www.politico.eu

Another good piece - Hong Kong activist Nathan Law applies for asylum in Britain

 

[BloodOmen]

Another good piece - Hong Kong activist Nathan Law applies for asylum in Britain

It's disgusting how China get away with it tbh. Slave Labour, forced medical experimentation, harvesting peoples organs and making people disappear who criticize the CCP - they are the modern equivalent to The Nazi's.

 

[Gwadien]

It's disgusting how China get away with it tbh. Slave Labour, forced medical experimentation, harvesting peoples organs and making people disappear who criticize the CCP - they are the modern equivalent to The Nazi's.

How they get away with it?

Count the amount of 'Made in China' stuff in your house.

That's how they get away with it.

 

[Scouse]

How they get away with it?

Count the amount of 'Made in China' stuff in your house.

That's how they get away with it.

So, Governments let us buy stuff that's immorally made.

Don't blame the end consumer. In such a complex ecosystem we need regulatory intervention.

Yes, you can make as moral purchasing choices as you can. I bet the top 5% of your students can grasp that and actually follow through in real life.

The rest? Regulation.