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[Lamp]

Damn

 

[Lamp]

Nothing wrong with smearing poo over your walls.

Some of us can't afford wallpaper. Pff! Snobs!

 

[dysfunction]

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Damn

Nnnggg

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Rubber Bullets]

We've got tickets to see Tim Minchin in Plymouth in November. Very excited

 

[Scouse]

Sorry to link to The Sun but it appears that’s genuinely what the ecuadorians said.

The sun in actual smear shocker.

Meanwhile, in a world that isn't wrapped up in personal hatred of one man, and can focus on what things mean in a wider context.

 

[Wij]

The sun in actual smear shocker.

Meanwhile, in a world that isn't wrapped up in personal hatred of one man, and can focus on what things mean in a wider context.

The bits it quotes from the indictment aren't charges. When it talks about the actual charges it says this:

"Experts on freedom of the press and speech were generally more relaxed about that narrow charge, standing on its own, in that it essentially accuses Assange of violating computer hacking laws – specifically the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act – in a way that has no first amendment protection. If prosecutors succeed in presenting evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to that effect, it is unlikely to arouse fierce opposition across the board."

Anyway, I'd rather was in a Swedish jail for being a rapist but whatever. I'm shedding no tears.

Even the guy they had a Radio 4 last night from the Guardian to defend him said he was basically a total prick.

 

[Scouse]

I've repeatedly said I don't give a fuck about the man. Rapist or not. Yes, they're also saying that if he gets done for hacking he gets done for hacking. Fair enough.

I do give a fuck about the rest of it - and the fact that the experts are saying this:

The charge sheet accusing Julian Assange of engaging in criminal theft of US state secrets contains a direct assault on fundamental press freedoms and could have a devastating effect on the basic acts of journalism, leading first amendment scholars and advocacy groups have warned

And I do give a fuck about the more important story - the story that was uncovered about US atrocities when wikileaks released the Chelsea Manning files.

 

[Wij]

And I do give a fuck about the more important story - the story that was uncovered about US atrocities when wikileaks released the Chelsea Manning files.

You mean this?

WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq “Collateral Murder” Rebuttal: Scenes Wikileaks edited out!

 

[Job]

Im so torn on Assange and Im not really sure if its only because he came across as such a smug bastard.

Exposing government corruption..about as honourable as it gets, potentially getting real people in real shit is a kind of colaterol damage that politicians get to judge on..not 'journalists'.
I think many of the accusations against him and wikileaks have a good bit of truth in them and only my freedom of speech mantra can let me put that aside.
If Trump backs him at any point he will be a fucking hero, but I dont think even he could pull that off.
All ready washing his hands of it.

His arrest is going to put a lot of people in very difficult situations...which is good obviously.

Im running a bit scared of it myself

 

[Job]

3D graphic artists depiction of Universe scale in ordinary Earth scenes.
Very well done and totally awesome dude.

View: https://youtu.be/GCTuirkcRwo

 

[Scouse]

You mean this?

WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq “Collateral Murder” Rebuttal: Scenes Wikileaks edited out!

To their credit, Wikileaks did include an unedited 39 minute version

Look. I don't give a fuck if Wikileaks is biased (all media organisations are). Ultimately they released files that showed widespread atrocities committed by the United States and its allies and outright lies that they told the public.

Stuff like this:

More than 15,000 civilians died in previously unknown incidents. US and UK officials have insisted that no official record of civilian casualties exists but the logs record 66,081 non-combatant deaths out of a total of 109,000 fatalities.

That one fact alone - learning of sixty six thousand non-combatant deaths in Iraq due to the war, which our government told us there was no record of - justifies the existence of wikileaks, biased or not. Never mind the uncovering of multiple murders, torture etc. etc.


The fact that Assange is an asshat, might be a little rapey, and maybe a bit hackey (so the fuck what if it uncovers government murder and lies?) is dwarfed in comparison to the things that Wikileaks have uncovered.

Your rage that Assange may have biasedly helped get Trump elected seems to be blinding you to these vastly more important facts. Assange may be a dick but you seem blind to the fact that, in the end, Wikileaks did the human race a pretty decent service there. And Assange <> Wikileaks.

 

[Scouse]

I feel dirty A) posting a tweet (got there from the beeb) and B) it's from Diane Abbot.

But the content of what she says is bob-on.


View: https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1116423925322473472/video/1

 

[Hawkwind]

What's the disagree for @Embattle?

You disagree that that happened? I did link to a video... Or that the Chelsea Manning leaks were true? Or you don't think he'll be punted to the US?

Why do you feel extradition to the US is not possible? It is not a capital crime so execution would not be a factor. Maybe I missed something in the news.

 

[Deebs]

I feel dirty A) posting a tweet (got there from the beeb) and B) it's from Diane Abbot.

But the content of what she says is bob-on.


View: https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1116423925322473472/video/1

I cannot click this as I know that Abbot is on the end of it.

 

[Job]

And now whuch pill are we going to take?

Rollover to the US or stand with the EU?

 

[Scouse]

I cannot click this as I know that Abbot is on the end of it.

Yeah. That's a problem.

But I guess it's like Assange - however unpalatable the messenger is doesn't really matter if the message is important.


Anyway - I didn't know this - they've re-jailed Chelsea Manning because she's refusing to go before a grand jury to testify against Wikileaks. Fair enough, but Grand Juries have a long blemished record of being used to silence political dissent.

 

[Gwadien]

Assange might be a bellend but this ultimately is a political arrest.

I'd love to know how much pressure the Swedes are under by the Americans to push those rape charges.

 

[Embattle]

I feel dirty A) posting a tweet (got there from the beeb) and B) it's from Diane Abbot.

But the content of what she says is bob-on.


View: https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1116423925322473472/video/1

So you should but then what does it matter eh, any way https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...b07561e4b0ffefe3af1b89?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

 

[Wij]

I feel dirty A) posting a tweet (got there from the beeb) and B) it's from Diane Abbot.

But the content of what she says is bob-on.


View: https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1116423925322473472/video/1

When you value anti-americanism more than justice for rape victims.

 

[BloodOmen]

Led by Donkeys campaign group claims Farage's Brexit Party URL

 

[Scouse]

So you should but then what does it matter eh, any way https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...b07561e4b0ffefe3af1b89?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

Abbott said later: “If the Swedish government wants to come forward with those charges, I believe that Assange should face the criminal justice system.”

But the extradition attempt by the Americans is “less about the threat he poses to security in America and more about the embarrassment of the things he has revealed about the American military and security services"

But either way - and once again - this isn't about Assange. It's about our governments comitting murder and torture. About wars we've started that have killed tens of thousands of innocents - and then lying to us about it.

If you're glaring at the guy from Oz then you're eyes are spastically out of whack - they should be firmly pointed at the murderous governments who want us to shut the fuck up whilst they act how they like.

 

[Scouse]

When you value anti-americanism more than justice for rape victims.

Quote from abbot above.

Sweden can come forward. But Assange always said he'd happily face the charges if Sweden wouldn't extradite him...


When you value getting Trump and people who may have supported him over war, murder, torture and states abusing dissidents, I guess...

 

[DaGaffer]

When you value anti-americanism more than justice for rape victims.

A. Dodgy as fuck charges. B. Its Sweden. Looking at someone a bit funny is grounds for charges over there.

Assange is just the worst, but that doesn't make American extradition justifiable.

 

[Wij]

But either way - and once again - this isn't about Assange. It's about our governments comitting murder and torture. About wars we've started that have killed tens of thousands of innocents - and then lying to us about it.

If you're glaring at the guy from Oz then you're eyes are spastically out of whack - they should be firmly pointed at the murderous governments who want us to shut the fuck up whilst they act how they like.

You don't like the Iraq war. I get it. He should not be exempt from criminal charges because of it.

 

[Scouse]

You don't like the Iraq war. I get it. He should not be exempt from criminal charges because of it.

So Sweden should have guaranteed non-extradition and he'd have gone over and been tried. Perfect.

The "hacking" charge in the US? Bullshit - even IF guilty (and we have enough laws that we can pretty much find everyone guilty of something) the fact that massive horrendous abuse and death done in our name was uncovered should grant protection for any of that. As it should for Snowden.

If you're arguing against that then your priorities are completely fucked. The ends sometimes justify the means. If you have to break a hacking law to uncover mass-murder then good on you.

 

[Wij]

Jeez...

Thread:


View: https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1116597761128845312


Assange did not hide in the embassy to escape US charges. He hid there to escape Swedish rape charges. That’s what started it. Read the thread about those charges and about further extradition.

Assange apologists stating that he would have gone to Sweden if he could have had a guarantee not to be sent to the US is total misdirection. Firstly because I don’t believe he would have and secondly Sweden was in no position to make such a promise at the time. He skipped bail to avoid extradition on a rape charge.

 

[Gwadien]

I find it somewhat problematic that you keep posting these tweets as evidence, who are these people, how much is the US government paying them?

 

[Wij]

I find it somewhat problematic that you keep posting these tweets as evidence, who are these people, how much is the US government paying them?

*sigh*

 

[fettoken]

I find it somewhat problematic that you keep posting these tweets as evidence, who are these people, how much is the US government paying them?

It's so...unanimous, isn't it?

Also: Wij's a corporate shill for sure.