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[Job]

So, lenders should make kids take exams? How are lenders going to set those exams? Do they have the expertise?

Hey, I know, why don't we just IQ test kids at 5 then cull the ones that don't show the aptitude? You know, the sort that end up as plumbers?

Its called outcomes.
You dont need to know the subjects..just look at the courses and employment stats.
Its all very mechanical and indifferent, but I'm surprised it isn't the policy.
You are basically handing over the financial decision to the people who profit the most out of the industry.

And as for the plumbers dig..they earn more than most graduates, if its education snobbery...well thats a whole other pile of elitism.

 

[Gwadien]

Which, to be fair, has resulted in much better funding for Universities and better standard of courses. And all the student has to pay in return in a 9% Graduate Tax until they are either 55 or paid it off, and only if they're earning above a certain amount. So it's a great investment for proper courses like STEM, Medicine, History etc. It's also helped the increase in nonsense degrees like Gender or Media Studies, that give the graduate an expensive fast track to the dole queue, but that's more down to the late 90's early 00's push to get everyone to go to uni.

That would be great and all but in reality Universities aren't bothered about education anymore and they're bothered about the money (bar red brick Unis) and as a result they just invest heavily in constantly building and expanding to get more students on board - the University of Leicester is struggling right now because there isn't much expansion choice and their enrolment numbers are small. It doesn't matter that they found Richard III and discovered DNA, the reality is that the Government rewards numbers, not the research the Universities undertake, that probably explains why the polys are outperforming red brick universities in many 'important' regards.

 

[Scouse]

Which, to be fair, has resulted in much better funding for Universities and better standard of courses.

Disagree.

To differentiate yourself in the market nowadays you need a masters or phd, which is partly down to the push to get everyone to attend, but also down to the fact that undergraduate courses are more akin to old A-Levels (circa 1970s) than actual degrees nowadays.

More people in education for longer so there's a generally higher standard of education across the population but graduate-level education is of a much lower quality than in the past.


I'll ignore yours and Job's digs at niche areas (which are important culturally and intellectually even if the majority will never see it as anything other than "luxury") and I agree, that at undergraduate level they're probably not that useful in a for-industry sense but go up the ladder and they contribute vitally to debate on a society level (as is normal where you have a more nuanced understanding). And that's aside from the fact that education isn't primarily about *JOBS*.

Jobs jobs jobs. Education is about much more than being a funnel for industry.

 

[Bodhi]

I'm sorry did I suggest Gender Studies was a niche area? You misunderstand - it is a complete and utter waste of time and doesn't advance the human race in any way shape or form.

edit// An interesting exercise to show just how ridiculous said fields of studies are.

Grievance studies gone to the dogs | The Spectator

 

[Scouse]

I'm sorry did I suggest Gender Studies was a niche area? You misunderstand - it is a complete and utter waste of time and doesn't advance the human race in any way shape or form.

In your opinion.

And, thankfully, you've not got any say in that matter.

Your opinions on the subject are hugely transparent but in the end there's massive societal movement that's being informed by the results of studying gender. It's certainly uncomfortable for the stuck-in-their-ways types, but they'll all die off sooner or later and the future will (hopefully) be a brighter and more inclusive place for more people.

 

[Wij]

I'm sorry did I suggest Gender Studies was a niche area? You misunderstand - it is a complete and utter waste of time and doesn't advance the human race in any way shape or form.

edit// An interesting exercise to show just how ridiculous said fields of studies are.

Grievance studies gone to the dogs | The Spectator

Nothing new:

Sokal affair - Wikipedia

Post-structuralist critique is cobblers.

 

[Bodhi]

Nothing new:

Sokal affair - Wikipedia

Post-structuralist critique is cobblers.

Not really an argument.

 

[Bodhi]

In your opinion.

And, thankfully, you've not got any say in that matter.

Your opinions on the subject are hugely transparent but in the end there's massive societal movement that's being informed by the results of studying gender. It's certainly uncomfortable for the stuck-in-their-ways types, but they'll all die off sooner or later and the future will (hopefully) be a brighter and more inclusive place for more people.

And once again, the caring sharing mask slips and the true Scouse comes out - it doesn't matter if you disagree, as your kind will be dead soon. Charming!

Thankfully the generation coming along behind us find it just as big a crock of shit as we do, so I suspect this "massive societal movement" will remain a bunch of loonies for some time to come.

 

[Job]

These subjects are being discussed in a modern connected world far more effectively than any tiresome uni course.
Unis need to concentrate on teaching elite knowledge to the few who can be employed, improve society and forward the human race.

This may include genetically modified superbabies..but hey, its a brave new world.

 

[Wij]

Not really an argument.

It was sort of an agreement.

 

[Bodhi]

It was sort of an agreement.

Ah yes, consider my comment retracted.

 

[Scouse]

And once again, the caring sharing mask slips and the true Scouse comes out - it doesn't matter if you disagree, as your kind will be dead soon. Charming!

That's nothing to do with being caring and sharing - it's just a statement of reality.

Happens in science all the time. The old guard die out and the new guard - who've evidence which trumps the old guard which the old guard refuses to accept (because they're humans first, scientists second) - get to present their new, better-evidence-based view of the world.

So bugger off with your faux butthurt. You know the world works like this. It was the same for gay people - and people are now much more accepting - because the die hard stick-in-the-muds are (mostly) dead.

Boo fucking hoo. You may feel that way Bodhi. But you're just a soon-to-be-dead dinosaur. Like the rest of us.

 

[Bodhi]

That's nothing to do with being caring and sharing - it's just a statement of reality.

Happens in science all the time. The old guard die out and the new guard - who've evidence which trumps the old guard which the old guard refuses to accept (because they're humans first, scientists second) - get to present their new, better-evidence-based view of the world.

So bugger off with your faux butthurt. You know the world works like this. It was the same for gay people - and people are now much more accepting - because the die hard stick-in-the-muds are (mostly) dead.

Boo fucking hoo. You may feel that way Bodhi. But you're just a soon-to-be-dead dinosaur. Like the rest of us.

Lol. Evidence and Gender Studies.

Good one!

 

[Scouse]

Lol. Evidence and Gender Studies.

Good one!

Edit: On a serious note- if you don't study it because it's "worthless", how are you supposed to gather any evidence?

Poor evidence is better than no evidence. And your discard-out-of-hand because "nonsense" approach is no better than catholic church outlawing any scientific research into <insert things against the bible here> ...

 

[Gwadien]

I find it amazing that people are going out of their way to still demonise that Syrian kid, the Tommy Robinson 'evidence' is making its rounds.

I wonder what the holocaust survivors think of this.

 

[Wij]

I find it amazing that people are going out of their way to still demonise that Syrian kid, the Tommy Robinson 'evidence' is making its rounds.

I wonder what the holocaust survivors think of this.

BREAKING: "4 year old girl alleged to have been gassed at Auschwitz had previously been heard making remarks that appeared to doubt that Germany was the best country ever: Jack Posobiec and Mike Cernovich reveal the shocking truth..."

 

[Job]

Its far too complicated and we dont have enough info..but people need to be more adult about wading in.

For me the issue is kids get beaten up much worse like this all the time..but once the 'refugee' pops up..then its fund pages and brexit racist britain.
To call pouring water on his face 'waterboarding' is just sensationalism and drums up both sides.

Who gave sanctuary to a refugee.

 

[Job]

That's nothing to do with being caring and sharing - it's just a statement of reality.

Happens in science all the time. The old guard die out and the new guard - who've evidence which trumps the old guard which the old guard refuses to accept (because they're humans first, scientists second) - get to present their new, better-evidence-based view of the world.

So bugger off with your faux butthurt. You know the world works like this. It was the same for gay people - and people are now much more accepting - because the die hard stick-in-the-muds are (mostly) dead.

Boo fucking hoo. You may feel that way Bodhi. But you're just a soon-to-be-dead dinosaur. Like the rest of us.

But you take evidence and adjust its context to fit your agenda..you may enjoy living a Spock like logical distance from emotion, but human interaction with emotion, racism, xenophobia, envy, jealousy are a scientific fact..it is real and arguing from a standpoint detached from this reality isnt helping.
Star Trek actually did an episode in the original series that showed the failings of Spocks approach in the real world.

 

[Gwadien]

Its far too complicated and we dont have enough info..but people need to be more adult about wading in.

For me the issue is kids get beaten up much worse like this all the time..but once the 'refugee' pops up..then its fund pages and brexit racist britain.
To call pouring water on his face 'waterboarding' is just sensationalism and drums up both sides.

Who gave sanctuary to a refugee.

'Please don't react to over sensationalist media bullshit, you should over react to my text messages with some random woman on the internet'

The kid came to the UK because his family were getting targeted by ISIS, he comes here and someone simulates waterboarding on him.

People wanna make him feel better, what's the fucking problem with that?

The Right again, being offended.

 

[fettoken]

In your opinion.

And, thankfully, you've not got any say in that matter.

Your opinions on the subject are hugely transparent but in the end there's massive societal movement that's being informed by the results of studying gender. It's certainly uncomfortable for the stuck-in-their-ways types, but they'll all die off sooner or later and the future will (hopefully) be a brighter and more inclusive place for more people.

It's absolutely transparent since everyone can join such a course on University. What can be derived from it and uses for it, if it can be deemed 'illuminating' is for each person to decide. Have you studied it? Can you back up your Scouser seal of approval?

 

[Job]

There is room for more obscure education..its an important part of a society.
Not at 9K a year though, when you can get it from the vast pile of knowledge, groups, thinktanks, amateur hobbiests for free on the internet.
The problem with university is it still has education snobbery attatched to it..lots of people arent investing in education, they are buying a title into a club of academics.
Never ending elitism of red brick, pumped up colleges and heaven forbid..Open University.
They do it with tilers..charge them 5K for a course, sell them an overpriced sign written van and send them off to debt and failure, while cashing the cheques.

75% of it it complete bowlax.

 

[Scouse]

You continue to demonstrate that you have zero idea how university works.

 

[dysfunction]

Or how anything works in the real world.

 

[Gwadien]

Putin and Saudi crown prince high five

The West can't touch this bro.

 

[Job]

The average yearly take home wage in Syria is 1, 450 syrian pounds.

That go fund for the refugee has raised £120K..or 79 million syrian pounds.

 

[dysfunction]

So?

 

[Gwadien]

So?

ISIS.

 

[dysfunction]

Anyone like domino's

Watch: Entire warehouse collapses in domino effect

 

[Job]

So?

Not bad for getting water poured on your face.
54,000 years pay.

 

[Embattle]

Anyone like domino's

Watch: Entire warehouse collapses in domino effect

Yeah saw that the other week, although I've not seen any new information of where and if he survived.