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[fettoken]

It's that thing from Dark age of Camelot!

 

[Gwadien]

'Shall we pretend to care?'

'Yeah, probably a good idea, the plebians are starting to realise that they're just our cattle'

'Oh okay, we'll do it on the day where there's an event about it - so we can attempt to hijack it and make it look like we super care'

'that's super cool, what does care mean by the way?'

Minister given task to reduce suicide rate

 

[old.Osy]

'Shall we pretend to care?'

'Yeah, probably a good idea, the plebians are starting to realise that they're just our cattle'

'Oh okay, we'll do it on the day where there's an event about it - so we can attempt to hijack it and make it look like we super care'

'that's super cool, what does care mean by the way?'

Minister given task to reduce suicide rate

Male suicide rates at new UK low

 

[Scouse]

Oh the ironing

 

[Scouse]

Male suicide rates at new UK low

Still the biggest killer of men of a certain age, and way higher than women.

 

[Gwadien]

Male suicide rates at new UK low

Yeah, exactly.

It's just the current focus (apart from Brexit) is mental health.

Rather than properly fund the NHS, it looks cool if you give someone a fancy title on world mental health day.

 

[Job]

Only because men are better at it.

 

[Job]

Oh the ironing

Being banned from Universities...I'd get over it.

 

[Scouse]

Being banned from Universities...I'd get over it.

You don't even know what I'm talking about, which is funny, because it's right up your alley

 

[Gwadien]

Only because men are better at it.

Nah they're not, they're worse because they don't talk about it.

Many of them go onto internet forums to express extremist views because the reality they live in is too depressing and they don't want to look inwards.

 

[Job]

You don't even know what I'm talking about, which is funny, because it's right up your alley

I was merely referring to a comment in the article...what is your angle.
The irony of the movements actions?
Thats old news.

 

[Gwadien]

After watching that movie about Anders Breivik's killings, I did a little bit of googling about him.

For someone that wants to make a Nazi state he sure is a whiney bitch, this is all the stuff he's complained about in a human rights court case. (Wikipedia copy & pasted, cba to remove shit)

Surely he's not a massive fan of human rights?

• He had been subjected to a "grip manoeuvre" 2,300 times—where he put his hands through the slot of the door to his prison cell, and his hands had been held in place by a prison officer while the door has been swung open. Breivik described these two forms of "extra punishment", saying: "it is quite demeaning to be exposed to this every day, so I countered by not leaving my prison cell. I did not want to exercise in the fresh air, [I did not want to] train, or use my study [prison-] cell".[128]
• On paper he had three prison cells, but because of the government's actions he hardly used the training cell and the study cell.[128]
• Prison officers at Ila Prison were not to speak to him during his [first] stay there, and this was the case for parts of his stay at Skien [prison]; only the chief of the section was supposed to speak to Breivik. He said that he had not said "no" to the prison offering him activities such as playing floorball or chess, but asked to be offered other activities. He said that starting in March 2014 he finally received the one hour of fellowship with prison officers; he said that claims had been made that he was allowed to prepare food, but that he was permitted only to press an egg cooker, and was not permitted to put frozen pizza in the oven—that he had only done once.[128]
• He still received a prison visitor twice a month—an officer of the Norwegian Armed Forces.[128]
• Regarding recreation in fresh air, Breivik said: "Until December 2015 all outdoors recreation was in a concrete box. In December 2015, probably because of the upcoming trial, I was permitted to walk 20 minutes in the outdoors recreation area. A couple of times later I was permitted [again]. Thereafter I was permitted to recreate there every other week".[128]
• Regarding being awoken at night, Breivik said: "There are inspections through the slot [of the door to the prison cell] every 40 minutes. Every time the slot was opened they demanded a sign of life. They wanted me to shake a leg every time the slot opened". He felt humiliated that the prison officers made such a demand and said "They shined a flashlight into the bed, depending on the prison officer. Called into the cell Are you alive, are you alive, until I woke up. Then they had the sign of life that they needed. Countless times I was awoken at night".[128]
• After he came to Skien Prison, only 5 out of 300 letters that Breivik sent, had not been confiscated. He added, "Of the 200 forms regarding prison visits that I have mailed, all have been confiscated."[128]
• In 2015 he was told that he would be locked into an isolation cell for 23 hours a day; the decision was reversed in December 2015, weeks after the visit by the Parliamentary Ombudsman.[128][156]
• Breivik talked about the parties NFP and NL, that he said later changed name to "Nordic State" (Nordiske stat).[128]
• Breivik said that "Dark film on all the windows has prevented natural light, and it is not possible to see anything outside during large parts of the winter months of the year ".[128]
• Breivik testified about how the authorities prevent him from buying postage stamps, and how Skien Prison has confiscated envelopes [where the stamps are] worth several thousand Norwegian kroner.[128]
• Breivik told about having to wait a long time after having asked for [the prison officers to present his] toothbrush, or asked [the prison officers] about turning off the TV switch; "This low-level terrorising continued for two years until" his transfer to Skien [prison].[128]
• Breivik testified that he had to drink cold coffee because he was not permitted to have a thermos; Breivik has also complained about announcements over the PA system at Ila, including that each message was repeated such as Now it's time for outdoors recreation, it's time for outdoors recreation; the PA system was eventually switched off in Breivik's section [at the prison].[128]
• Breivik said that "The reservoir of strength that national socialism has given me, was finished in December".[128]
• Breivik testified that after two years in isolation he has started to love Paradise Hotel, which he says is evidence that he has become seriously brain damaged.[128]
• Breivik says that he had not been permitted to publish his correct mailing address.[128]
• Breivik said that "It is important that Oslo District Court says what types of addressees [pertaining to the postal system] are permissible". He added that media [outlets] that he has access to are Aftenposten, Dagen, TA and Varden and broadcast Teletext on several channels; he would read other newspapers if he had such access, "Klassekampen is perhaps even more interesting than Aftenposten".[128]
• Breivik said that "Isolation is the most effective way to radicalise people because one never gets corrected by others".[157]

 

[Ctuchik]

Oh no you're wrong. He's a BIG fan of human rights. But only when it's about himself. HE demands to have human rights but fuck everyone else...

 

[Scouse]

Human rights should, and indeed must, apply to the most despicable prisoners as much as the most law abiding families.

If we respect the human rights of those we hate the most, then those of us who deserve their protection will find it much easier to get it.

 

[Gwadien]

Human rights should, and indeed must, apply to the most despicable prisoners as much as the most law abiding families.

If we respect the human rights of those we hate the most, then those of us who deserve their protection will find it much easier to get it.

Absolutely.

However, it's just funny that this bloke who did all this crime and then moans about Liberalism suddenly wants his human rights.

Also you also need to take human nature into consideration too, if you were a guard and you had to deal with this cunt every day I'm sure you wouldn't be able to restrain yourself from being a bit hard to the guy and 'refusing to talk to him'

 

[Scouse]

If you're a guard and you can't do your job properly you should be sacked and/or prosecuted.

"Human nature" isn't an excuse - it's an appeal to animal idiocy. They get paid to follow the rules and act a certain way.

 

[SilverHood]

Human rights should, and indeed must, apply to the most despicable prisoners as much as the most law abiding families.

If we respect the human rights of those we hate the most, then those of us who deserve their protection will find it much easier to get it.

You can judge a society by how well it treats its prisoners.” ~ Fyodor Dostoyevsky. According to the internet anyway, it's a good quote, and appropriate here.

I am always of two minds when it comes to convicted terrorists. On the one hand, you don't want them living the cushy prison life. Floor-ball in the morning and Paradise Hotel (a bit like Love Island, only way more sex) in the evening. Good food, reading materials, ability to interact with the world via letter. You want them to experience pain and suffering every day for what they did.

On the other hand, that means that you have given up on someone becoming a better person. Is prison a punishment, or is it is rehabilitation? Both? If you lock someone up in isolation and truly make them suffer, then they can never be allowed to leave. Might as well save the taxpayer some money and end it. If they are extremists, but not sentenced for life, then what do you do? Denmark is about to release Munir Awad in December, 8 years into a 12 year sentence for planning a Mumbai style terror attack on Copenhagen airport. It is madness to set those guys free. They will try something similar again. Who will be responsible if they succeed? The Danish state, for letting them go? For failing to rehabilitate them? The Swedish state, for making them citizens of their country? We know they are religious nutters who planned mass murder. Can you lock them up forever, for being extremists that have not yet committed their act of terror? Is that the right thing to do? And if you do so, how do you prevent them from radicalizing the rest of the prison population, while still letting them keep their human rights?

 

[Gwadien]

You can judge a society by how well it treats its prisoners.” ~ Fyodor Dostoyevsky. According to the internet anyway, it's a good quote, and appropriate here.

I am always of two minds when it comes to convicted terrorists. On the one hand, you don't want them living the cushy prison life. Floor-ball in the morning and Paradise Hotel (a bit like Love Island, only way more sex) in the evening. Good food, reading materials, ability to interact with the world via letter. You want them to experience pain and suffering every day for what they did.

On the other hand, that means that you have given up on someone becoming a better person. Is prison a punishment, or is it is rehabilitation? Both? If you lock someone up in isolation and truly make them suffer, then they can never be allowed to leave. Might as well save the taxpayer some money and end it. If they are extremists, but not sentenced for life, then what do you do? Denmark is about to release Munir Awad in December, 8 years into a 12 year sentence for planning a Mumbai style terror attack on Copenhagen airport. It is madness to set those guys free. They will try something similar again. Who will be responsible if they succeed? The Danish state, for letting them go? For failing to rehabilitate them? The Swedish state, for making them citizens of their country? We know they are religious nutters who planned mass murder. Can you lock them up forever, for being extremists that have not yet committed their act of terror? Is that the right thing to do? And if you do so, how do you prevent them from radicalizing the rest of the prison population, while still letting them keep their human rights?

Releasing Terrorists is a funny one though - if they're in the know enough then it'd be relatively easy to track them/get them on your side and gain further information - people like Breivik doesn't count in this as he's solo and he can rot away.

I'm happy with the proceedings of what happened - the courts decided that he was being pathetic.

 

[SilverHood]

Releasing Terrorists is a funny one though - if they're in the know enough then it'd be relatively easy to track them/get them on your side and gain further information - people like Breivik doesn't count in this as he's solo and he can rot away.

I'm happy with the proceedings of what happened - the courts decided that he was being pathetic.

We are to track them? For how long? For the rest of their lives? Who pays for that? They are European citizens, Sweden is part of Schengen. What happens when they move country? No longer that country's problem?

Brevik doesn't count because he's not part of a large group of extremists? What if he had converted to Islam a year before the events, and praised Allah while gunning down those kids? Would he count then? If so, why?

 

[Job]

Well as a sceptic of the validity and execution of the human rights act.
I suggest giving the realtives of the people he murdered a baseball bat each and twenty minutes with him so their human right for justice can be exercised.

 

[Scouse]

Well as a sceptic of the validity and execution of the human rights act.

So you don't want those rights to apply to you? Like the right to defend yourself in court, or freedom from slavery?

 

[Hawkwind]

Oh the ironing

After seeing that debate on Sky News about the Ad (dictionary definition of woman) taken down in Liverpool as hate speech, I'm not surprised. The definition and rights are under threat and the new wave feminist and SJW pretty much caused it.

Popcorn time...

 

[Gwadien]

We are to track them? For how long? For the rest of their lives? Who pays for that? They are European citizens, Sweden is part of Schengen. What happens when they move country? No longer that country's problem?

Brevik doesn't count because he's not part of a large group of extremists? What if he had converted to Islam a year before the events, and praised Allah while gunning down those kids? Would he count then? If so, why?

Yes, this is how we prevent further terrorist attacks.

Brevik doesn't count because most extremist right wing groups have denounced him. But I'm sure some groups would be in contact if he was released.

 

[Wij]

After seeing that debate on Sky News about the Ad (dictionary definition of woman) taken down in Liverpool as hate speech, I'm not surprised. The definition and rights are under threat and the new wave feminist and SJW pretty much caused it.

Popcorn time...

From what I've seen feminists are generally AGAINST the idea that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman (and therefore having a penis shouldn't exclude you from being one). The ones who shout loudest against so-called TERFs are men who don't see why biological females should get any special treatment that a man couldn't if he decided to pop on a dress. You are laying the blame at the wrong people.

/edit: generalisation; exceptions obviously expected...

 

[Gwadien]

After seeing that debate on Sky News about the Ad (dictionary definition of woman) taken down in Liverpool as hate speech, I'm not surprised. The definition and rights are under threat and the new wave feminist and SJW pretty much caused it.

Popcorn time...

Have you learnt nothing?

Let me put it another way - Whenever there's something in the Press about Trump, he dismisses it as fake news and then never talks about it again.

If there's something about SJW issues or some shit, he'll talk about it until it's dead, why? Deflection.

So much shit has been stopped/shut down due to 'SJW' issues - problem is, that I never really see anyone complain about much - it just appears to be the press getting wind of a shit story, and the people responsible preemptively removing what ever is 'offensive' which causes more offensive among the non-SJW people.

 

[Job]

So you don't want those rights to apply to you? Like the right to defend yourself in court, or freedom from slavery?

Becauae I dont expect it to be useful to me, I dont have a popular cause or millions in the bank.

 

[Gwadien]

Becauae I dont expect it to be useful to me, I dont have a popular cause or millions in the bank.

LOL.

'Human rights aren't important, because I don't really need them.'

I'm sure you'll change your tune a couple years post Brexit

Oh no, nevermind, you'll just blame immigrants.

 

[Wij]

LOL.

'Human rights aren't important, because I don't really need them.'

I'm sure you'll change your tune a couple years post Brexit

Oh no, nevermind, you'll just blame immigrants.

View: https://twitter.com/simpsonsqotd/status/328870735957331968?s=21

 

[Gwadien]

View: https://twitter.com/simpsonsqotd/status/328870735957331968?s=21

View: https://youtu.be/Bu2wNKlVRzE?t=57

 

[Scouse]

Becauae I dont expect it to be useful to me, I dont have a popular cause or millions in the bank.

You don't find freedom from slavery useful in your day to day life then?

Iron my shirts then bitch.