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DaGaffer

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Um, the Royal Family contribute £1.8 Billion to the economy every year? And whilst they may have a freeloader or two (what organisation doesn't?) , I'd suggest the ones still working in their 90's were pulling their weight.

Let's be clear here; the stuff the Royal Family owns and live in contributes £1.8bn to the economy, the Royal Family themselves contribute two tenths of fuck all. There hasn't been a French Royal for 200 years and yet Versailles gets more visitors than anywhere else in Europe. Royals are like Unicorns, they don't actually have to exist to stimulate interest.
 

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Let's be clear here; the stuff the Royal Family owns and live in contributes £1.8bn to the economy, the Royal Family themselves contribute two tenths of fuck all. There hasn't been a French Royal for 200 years and yet Versailles gets more visitors than anywhere else in Europe. Royals are like Unicorns, they don't actually have to exist to stimulate interest.

Could you imagine a president of the UK though? Boris Johnson perhaps? Better stick with what's already there.
 

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Could you imagine a president of the UK though? Boris Johnson perhaps? Better stick with what's already there.
Why would you need to have a president? What's wrong with Prime Minister?
 

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Why would you need to have a president? What's wrong with Prime Minister?

Prime minister is head of parliament, President is head of state? Unless you're going to hand over more power to the PM?

Also, PM is not an elected position?
 

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So? The monarch is supposed to have no power - that's supposed to reside with parliament as-is. Head of state is supposed to be titular only.

Prime minister is selected by party, no change needed.

I don't get why you'd suddenly start wanting to vote for the PM. It's not as if you voted for the fucking queen is it?
 

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So? The monarch is supposed to have no power - that's supposed to reside with parliament as-is. Head of state is supposed to be titular only.

Prime minister is selected by party, no change needed.

I don't get why you'd suddenly start wanting to vote for the PM. It's not as if you voted for the fucking queen is it?

Prime Ministers job is to run the country, not faf about like a bird in a gilded cage. Looking at the most recent PMs, they haven't exactly done a stellar job. You're going to lump them with the responsibility of being head of state too? It's mostly ceremonial, but they are still the head of state, they greet other heads of state, and they can dissolve parliament if it becomes necessary.

Add to the fact that it's not elected, assuming that someone backstabs May and becomes new PM & head of state ... What sort of message does that send about the values of your country? Far better to have it all separate from the normal political process.
 

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Could you imagine a president of the UK though? Boris Johnson perhaps? Better stick with what's already there.

So long as you don't give your president executive powers (the American and French model), presidents are fine. We run ours for about a tenner a year. Which he had to get out of the ATM himself.
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"He kept me controlled through hypnosis so he could have sex with me for several years", say a stack of idiot spiritual tantric hippy women at tantric yoga pursuit.

In other news, some men are completely dishonest when trying to obtain sex and it's your job to look out for that yourself, rather than get taken in by a liar. But if you fall for a lie and then give someone your body you didn't get 'raped'.

Yes the guy is a total and utter scumbag, as are the women who helped him by convincing students to have sex with him (and are they under investigation?) but rapist?

If you fall for a con, you've been conned, no? But you have at least some responsibility to examine why you fell for that con. And if what happened during that con isn't criminal...?

Am I way off the mark here?

Edit: Just to be clear - anything non-consentual is clear cut assault.
 

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Can anyone pm me a decent torrent site pls?

Been using proxybunker. It used to be good. Now every link is diseased. Can't click on anything without multiple spam windows opening.
 

DaGaffer

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"He kept me controlled through hypnosis so he could have sex with me for several years", say a stack of idiot spiritual tantric hippy women at tantric yoga pursuit.

In other news, some men are completely dishonest when trying to obtain sex and it's your job to look out for that yourself, rather than get taken in by a liar. But if you fall for a lie and then give someone your body you didn't get 'raped'.

Yes the guy is a total and utter scumbag, as are the women who helped him by convincing students to have sex with him (and are they under investigation?) but rapist?

If you fall for a con, you've been conned, no? But you have at least some responsibility to examine why you fell for that con. And if what happened during that con isn't criminal...?

Am I way off the mark here?

Edit: Just to be clear - anything non-consentual is clear cut assault.

Gullible Idiot said:
he put a spell over us and people had completely blind trust in him and his spiritual powers

*sigh* As soon as I hear words like “spell” and “spiritual powers”, I think, “you’re on your own”. Guy sounds like a prick but the place has “tantric” in the name ffs.
 

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So long as you don't give your president executive powers (the American and French model), presidents are fine. We run ours for about a tenner a year. Which he had to get out of the ATM himself.
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Using a Ulster bank too, I bet that raised some eyebrows amongst some nut jobs.
 

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And Charlie isn't an affront to democracy, trying to assert his considerable influence on government decisions? Simply because he was born into that family?

Thanks for making my argument for me.

Opinion pieces? Really?

Let's be clear here; the stuff the Royal Family owns and live in contributes £1.8bn to the economy, the Royal Family themselves contribute two tenths of fuck all. There hasn't been a French Royal for 200 years and yet Versailles gets more visitors than anywhere else in Europe. Royals are like Unicorns, they don't actually have to exist to stimulate interest.

I'm going to need to see some numbers to back that up, as a quick Google suggests Versailles isn't even in the top 10 European tourist attractions.

Buckingham Palace is, probably because people still live there.
 

DaGaffer

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Opinion pieces? Really?



I'm going to need to see some numbers to back that up, as a quick Google suggests Versailles isn't even in the top 10 European tourist attractions.

Buckingham Palace is, probably because people still live there.

Versailles gets 3m visitors a year, Buck House gets less than half a million. Of course The Louvre, also a former palace, gets 12m a year. I got Versailles wrong but the point stands, you don’t need Royals to exploit their tourist potential
 

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Versailles gets 3m visitors a year, Buck House gets less than half a million. Of course The Louvre, also a former palace, gets 12m a year. I got Versailles wrong but the point stands, you don’t need Royals to exploit their tourist potential

That's because French Palaces are infinitely more awesome than British ones, that's why they had a revolution.

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Opinion pieces? Really?
Fucking lol. Charlies a long-time well-known political activist and that's an utterly uncontroversial assertion. He's a constitutional nightmare.

He's been pushing homeopathy at government for years. Abusing his position of inherited power in an attempt to bring about quackery. He's the perfect example of why inherited wealth distorts democracy.

Not to mention the Royal Family's inherited immunity from criminal proceedings.
As the Crown Proceedings Act only affected the law in respect of acts carried on by or on behalf of the British government, the monarch remains personally immune from criminal and civil actions. However, civil proceedings can, in theory, still be brought using the two original mechanisms outlined above – by petition of right or by suit against the Attorney General for a declaration.


The monarch is immune from arrest in all cases; members of the royal household are immune from arrest in civil proceedings. No arrest can be made "in the monarch's presence", or within the "verges" of a royal palace. When a royal palace is used as a residence (regardless of whether the monarch is actually living there at the time), judicial processes cannot be executed within that palace.

The monarch's goods cannot be taken under a writ of execution, nor can distress be levied on land in their possession. Chattels owned by the Crown, but present on another's land, cannot be taken in execution or for distress. The Crown is not subject to foreclosure

Do you think they'd still have those powers if they weren't one of the richest families on the planet?
 

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"He kept me controlled through hypnosis so he could have sex with me for several years", say a stack of idiot spiritual tantric hippy women at tantric yoga pursuit.

In other news, some men are completely dishonest when trying to obtain sex and it's your job to look out for that yourself, rather than get taken in by a liar. But if you fall for a lie and then give someone your body you didn't get 'raped'.

Yes the guy is a total and utter scumbag, as are the women who helped him by convincing students to have sex with him (and are they under investigation?) but rapist?

If you fall for a con, you've been conned, no? But you have at least some responsibility to examine why you fell for that con. And if what happened during that con isn't criminal...?

Am I way off the mark here?

Edit: Just to be clear - anything non-consentual is clear cut assault.
Gotta have some responsibility for yr self. But these days everyone wants to abdicate that and blame someone
 

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Versailles gets 3m visitors a year, Buck House gets less than half a million. Of course The Louvre, also a former palace, gets 12m a year. I got Versailles wrong but the point stands, you don’t need Royals to exploit their tourist potential

Two things:

1) Buck Palace gets a hell of a lot more than that, mostly because people don't go in, they stand in the square outside, look to see if the Queen is in, then go off to the next tourist attraction rather than trying to be one of the select few who gets in.

2) People don't visit the Louvre because it was an ex-Palace, they visit it because the fucking Mona Lisa is in there (and some other paintings I haven't heard of)

If you honestly don't think the Royals bring money into the country mostly by just being there, well, I have a bridge to sell you.
 

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Its tiresome..ask any marketing or advertising expert what the Royals are worth...theyll tell you they are top ten brand in the world.
Nike would buy the rights to them in a second.
The Royals are a major reason we are the second most powerful country on the planet.
 

Bodhi

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Fucking lol. Charlies a long-time well-known political activist and that's an utterly uncontroversial assertion. He's a constitutional nightmare.

He's been pushing homeopathy at government for years. Abusing his position of inherited power in an attempt to bring about quackery. He's the perfect example of why inherited wealth distorts democracy.

Not to mention the Royal Family's inherited immunity from criminal proceedings.

Do you think they'd still have those powers if they weren't one of the richest families on the planet?

She doesn't have those powers because of her money you utter pleb, she has those powers as she's the head of fucking state.

And yes, Charles has some dubious ideas, like homeopathy and climate change, and he does try to influence things. However he is generally ignored for being a nutter. So just because he tries to be influential, doesn't mean he actually is.
 

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So long as you don't give your president executive powers (the American and French model), presidents are fine. We run ours for about a tenner a year. Which he had to get out of the ATM himself.
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You pay a tenner a year for that guy?

Christ you've been ripped off.
 

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Let's be clear here; the stuff the Royal Family owns and live in contributes £1.8bn to the economy, the Royal Family themselves contribute two tenths of fuck all. There hasn't been a French Royal for 200 years and yet Versailles gets more visitors than anywhere else in Europe. Royals are like Unicorns, they don't actually have to exist to stimulate interest.
France gets more than double the tourists UK gets, just look at World Tourism Rankings. Versailles as a single attraction may get more visitors but just like Buckingham Palace it not the only thing those tourists go to see. I have been to Versailles and seen the coaches drop off and pick up 2 hours later, just like Windsor or the Natural History Museum. Paris has way more Tourists due to the mystic about Paris, the Museums, the food, the romantic BS and the historic sites. One of the reasons foreign tourists go to France over England is the presumption that the food is crap and bland. Use to be, 30 years ago but not now. Another reason is shit hotels with no AC which unfortunately is still true for many of them.

I think of the Royals as nothing more than Theme Park actors the attractions are not just the buildings :). The Horse Guards riding down Pall Mall, The Queens Guard (Changing of the Guard) are kept running for one reason only, tourism. I think the Family actually adds something to the Theme Park that Versailles will never have. Its a living history not just a dead one. As for Charles, yes he is outspoken on a lot of issues, tend to agree on some like his stance on EU Agriculture. I don't really think he is any worse in that regard than any politically minded public figure these days. They all use their celebrity to push causes they believe in.
 

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You got insurance for that @Job? The minute you chip it so it goes over 15.5mph you're running an illegal moped, for which you need tax and insurance.

But you do insurance, don't you? You're not averse to that?
 

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