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[Job]

That was just the most informed site I found.
Its widely ridiculed on skeptic sites.

 

[caLLous]

A very detailed destruction of the spherical Earth model.

Experimental Evidence

 

[Scouse]

The fact you've gone on your normal unnecessary champagne socialist opinionated rant, other than that I'll just carry on with the ratings system to avoid the tedious long drawn waste of time that replying back and fourth often becomes on such subjects.

Surprise surprise you've copped out again. You never actually post anything.

Why aren't you man enough to say "I don't like the human rights act and I don't give a fuck that it helped these people"?

 

[Scouse]

The great multicultural melting pot that is London.

How does that make you feel @Job?

 

[Job]

It makes me annoyed that the unwelcome policy of mass immigration in too fast a timeframe has resulted in the exact ghettoisation that anyone with a gcse in the fuckin obvious could have told you...has happened, but they seem think that ignoring it will fix it.
No..it didnt..we have Brexit.

 

[Gwadien]

That was just the most informed site I found.
Its widely ridiculed on skeptic sites.

No mental health issues in the family?

 

[Job]

A very detailed destruction of the spherical Earth model.

Experimental Evidence

Sounds legit...cancelling that trip to Australia.

 

[Job]

Jesus..got back from holiday to this news.
She was in the wifes running group and came on all the pub crawl bike rides with us.
Seems she fell in front of the car after going into a pothole.
The frickin roads are getting like off road courses by us..its ridiculous.


Lancashire Constabulary - Woman from Liverpool killed in Aughton collision

 

[Job]

Im pretty sure they are right about Neil who was a thoughtfull and intelligent man, but flag denial is becoming quite a thing, even if you dont like them, they are important to history.

- The Washington Post...Is the new Moon Landing movie anti American

 

[Scouse]

flag denial is becoming quite a thing, even if you dont like them, they are important to history.

Because more and more people are understanding the fundamental pettiness of nationalism. Einstein's "infantile disease", the "measles of mankind".

So, whilst yes, they are important to understand history - they're increasingly unimportant for a peaceful human future. Well done mankind. You're learning from your flag-waving history and trying to do better, to be batter.

It's conservative americans - flag wavers - who find this threatening.

I like this:

This story is human and it is universal. Of course, it celebrates an American achievement. It also celebrates an achievement ‘for all mankind,’ as it says on the plaque Neil and Buzz left on the moon

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_riEVZ4Ugp0

 

[Hawkwind]

Because more and more people are understanding the fundamental pettiness of nationalism. Einstein's "infantile disease", the "measles of mankind".

Instead they use an even more divisive form of tribalism based on religion or politics.

It's conservative americans - flag wavers - who find this threatening.

Only in the last few years. Even 10 years ago flags on houses was a very common thing in the US. The flags are disappearing due to bullying or fears of it. Now and somewhat unfortunately (IMO) its been turned into an alt right symbol by the constantly and all to easily outraged mob.

 

[Wij]

Only in the last few years. Even 10 years ago flags on houses was a very common thing in the US. The flags are disappearing due to bullying or fears of it. Now and somewhat unfortunately (IMO) its been turned into an alt right symbol by the constantly and all to easily outraged mob.

I don't see that. As far as I can see the US flag is still acceptable across the political spectrum in the US. The only flag the alt right / whatever gets lambasted for is the confederate battle flag.

 

[Gwadien]

Only in the last few years. Even 10 years ago flags on houses was a very common thing in the US. The flags are disappearing due to bullying or fears of it. Now and somewhat unfortunately (IMO) its been turned into an alt right symbol by the constantly and all to easily outraged mob.

You chat so much shit, hahahaha.

Fuck me, this 'I'm offended because you're offended' crowd is fucking boring.

 

[Scouse]

Instead they use an even more divisive form of tribalism based on religion or politics.

Don't buy that at all. Religions and political leanings are too diverse to act as a single unifying rallying cry to a country - which is what Nationalism is.

You can't appeal to christians, muslims, liberals, right-wingers all at the same time without jingoistic nationalism.


I don't buy this either:

Only in the last few years. Even 10 years ago flags on houses was a very common thing in the US. The flags are disappearing due to bullying or fears of it. Now and somewhat unfortunately (IMO) its been turned into an alt right symbol by the constantly and all to easily outraged mob.

National pride expressed through flag flying was indeed more common. But as nationalism has declined then the flag-worship has declined too (although I'd still argue that it's hugely common across the country). Replace "bullying" (boo-hoo) with people ridiculing you for your flag-waving nationalistic nonsense then you'd be closer to the mark.

People are, rightly, turning to flag fliers and going "why the fuck do you have a blind uncritical love of a piece of land?"

The alt-right symbolism also fits - because the tendency to hold onto that nationalism is held most strongly by alt-right arseholes. It's equivalent in the UK is the bald skinheadded eng-er-laaaand! stereotype with a huge St Georges cross on the front of his house, all year round.

That english national stereotype was born somewhere. And people may shout "you can't make generalisations" - but you bloody well can. Has anyone ever met someone like that who wasn't a nationalistic right-winger?

 

[Hawkwind]

Don't buy that at all. Religions and political leanings are too diverse to act as a single unifying rallying cry to a country - which is what Nationalism is.

You can't appeal to christians, muslims, liberals, right-wingers all at the same time without jingoistic nationalism.

That's not what I meant and I think you know that. Just saying that people replace one form of tribalism with another. Agreed you cannot cross those divides and appeal to all on that basis.

Politically the US has never been more divisive left or "alt-right". Centrists and even traditional liberals who once campaigned Free Speech generally stay quiet for fear of the mob. I get why people hate nationalism. Don't actually like it myself, I don't even put an England flag up for the World cup etc. it tends to be galvanized for all too often for the wrong reasons. It's one thing to be a bit proud of your countries achievements and history etc. You don't have to be a right wing hate monger to do that, not saying there aren't any.

People are, rightly, turning to flag fliers and going "why the fuck do you have a blind uncritical love of a piece of land?"

You are automatically assuming the worst possible far right nationalistic reasons for someone having a flags or flags on t-shirts etc. In my mind just because you have those does not enable some blinded vision of the country you were born in. I've seen pretty extreme nationalism first hand and it is not pretty. I was in (Yugoslavia) Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia two and three days before the war started. Also seen it in Turkey and Indonesia were they are extremely nationalistic.

Has anyone ever met someone like that who wasn't a nationalistic right-winger?

Yes, I have met nationalistic or at least people who were over the top proud to be British, without being Nazi's.

I don't see that. As far as I can see the US flag is still acceptable across the political spectrum in the US. The only flag the alt right / whatever gets lambasted for is the confederate battle flag.

Go look up flag burning in US, happening a lot. ANTIFA and leftists mobs are still doing this in 2018 (Philly, Portland...) People have taken flags down in fear that their homes and business property will be targeted. They (ANTIFA and the like) seem to treat the US flag in the same manner as the Trump MAGA hats.

 

[Hawkwind]

You chat so much shit, hahahaha.

Fuck me, this 'I'm offended because you're offended' crowd is fucking boring.

Stock response for anything you disagree with.

You think the victim mentality is not real. To some extent I think most of it is people faking outrage. Take a look at the games news just this past week:

Ninja (Twitch Streamer - mostly Fortnite won't stream with girls), his reasons are actually good ones.
Doom (Audio mocked Immigration..)
Cyberpunk (Twitter joke)

It's actually quite hilarious, except that in some cases people are losing their livelihoods over some of this shit. Sites like Polygon claiming there is never enough inclusive content, not enough trans chars in games...

 

[Wij]

Go look up flag burning in US, happening a lot. ANTIFA and leftists mobs are still doing this in 2018 (Philly, Portland...) People have taken flags down in fear that their homes and business property will be targeted. They (ANTIFA and the like) seem to treat the US flag in the same manner as the Trump MAGA hats.

Flag-burning is one thing. That's a constitutionally-protected right. As long as it's their own flags then that literally isn't a problem. Free speech and all that.

However, I still don't see much evidence that people are taking down their US flags because they are afraid that antifa will come and get them. Care to point to specific cases? (Not Youtube please, at work )

Also this:

https://gizmodo.com/the-right-is-falling-for-its-own-fake-antifa-accounts-1798287977

 

[Gwadien]

Stock response for anything you disagree with.

You think the victim mentality is not real. To some extent I think most of it is people faking outrage. Take a look at the games news just this past week:

Ninja (Twitch Streamer - mostly Fortnite won't stream with girls), his reasons are actually good ones.
Doom (Audio mocked Immigration..)
Cyberpunk (Twitter joke)

It's actually quite hilarious, except that in some cases people are losing their livelihoods over some of this shit. Sites like Polygon claiming there is never enough inclusive content, not enough trans chars in games...

I've not heard of any of those things.

Just because stuff is on a website/in a newspaper doesn't make it news.

Everyone has a voice and a platform now, and the media latches onto any kind of far-strung view on something, the media doesn't express outrage for incidents, it shows others expression of outrage of incidents.

I completely agree with you, people can be offended/have stupid views on shit, but that's always been the case, you've just never been exposed to it.

At the end of the day you'll never come into real life contact with a radical offended person, nor will one have any impact on your daily life, I trust the courts enough not to be silly about it.

 

[DaGaffer]

That's not what I meant and I think you know that. Just saying that people replace one form of tribalism with another. Agreed you cannot cross those divides and appeal to all on that basis.

Politically the US has never been more divisive left or "alt-right". Centrists and even traditional liberals who once campaigned Free Speech generally stay quiet for fear of the mob. I get why people hate nationalism. Don't actually like it myself, I don't even put an England flag up for the World cup etc. it tends to be galvanized for all too often for the wrong reasons. It's one thing to be a bit proud of your countries achievements and history etc. You don't have to be a right wing hate monger to do that, not saying there aren't any.



You are automatically assuming the worst possible far right nationalistic reasons for someone having a flags or flags on t-shirts etc. In my mind just because you have those does not enable some blinded vision of the country you were born in. I've seen pretty extreme nationalism first hand and it is not pretty. I was in (Yugoslavia) Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia two and three days before the war started. Also seen it in Turkey and Indonesia were they are extremely nationalistic.



Yes, I have met nationalistic or at least people who were over the top proud to be British, without being Nazi's.



Go look up flag burning in US, happening a lot. ANTIFA and leftists mobs are still doing this in 2018 (Philly, Portland...) People have taken flags down in fear that their homes and business property will be targeted. They (ANTIFA and the like) seem to treat the US flag in the same manner as the Trump MAGA hats.

Fire up Google Maps, pick any random US town and click around on Streetview. I guarantee you’ll see a dozen US flags at least with a three mile area. I’ve just had a go at a couple of random places to test the theory.

I simply don’t believe people are taking flags down because they’re worried about ANTIFA or any of that tosh. Americans are fucking obsessed with flags

 

[Hawkwind]

Fire up Google Maps, pick any random US town and click around on Streetview. I guarantee you’ll see a dozen US flags at least with a three mile area. I’ve just had a go at a couple of random places to test the theory.

I simply don’t believe people are taking flags down because they’re worried about ANTIFA or any of that tosh. Americans are fucking obsessed with flags

Talking to people I work with in San Fran, LA and SoCal it has been a problem and rather than get a brick through the window they take them down. Google maps street views gets updated how often (honestly no idea)?

 

[Hawkwind]

Flag-burning is one thing. That's a constitutionally-protected right. As long as it's their own flags then that literally isn't a problem. Free speech and all that.

However, I still don't see much evidence that people are taking down their US flags because they are afraid that antifa will come and get them. Care to point to specific cases? (Not Youtube please, at work )

Also this:

https://gizmodo.com/the-right-is-falling-for-its-own-fake-antifa-accounts-1798287977

Enough to make the senate take notice with Resolution 46:
https://www.daines.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/DainesReport-AmericanFlagBurning-June2018.pdf


American flag burned outside U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters' L.A. office
3 arrested in Charlotte flag-burning at May Day protest in uptown park, cops say
Protesters Burn American Flag While Marching In Center City
...

 

[DaGaffer]

Enough to make the senate take notice with Resolution 46:
https://www.daines.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/DainesReport-AmericanFlagBurning-June2018.pdf


American flag burned outside U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters' L.A. office
3 arrested in Charlotte flag-burning at May Day protest in uptown park, cops say
Protesters Burn American Flag While Marching In Center City
...

Once again, that’s people burning flags they’ve bought. Where are the stories showing they’ve taken them off buildings or attacked them?

Streetview in the US is updated every 18 months or so; it can be as much as five years in other countries.

 

[Moriath]

Talking to people I work with in San Fran, LA and SoCal it has been a problem and rather than get a brick through the window they take them down. Google maps street views gets updated how often (honestly no idea)?

Cal is different from most states and the cities are wayyyyy different from internal and small town america. Where my in laws live.

I too have been to boston, miami, sf, la. And cities bare no reflection to most of america

 

[Bodhi]

Because more and more people are understanding the fundamental pettiness of nationalism. Einstein's "infantile disease", the "measles of mankind".

So, whilst yes, they are important to understand history - they're increasingly unimportant for a peaceful human future. Well done mankind. You're learning from your flag-waving history and trying to do better, to be batter.

It's conservative americans - flag wavers - who find this threatening.

I like this:

Buzz himself disagrees.


View: https://twitter.com/TheRealBuzz/status/1036459675649171456?s=19


I'm going to wait to see the film before deciding if leaving out the flag was a good idea or not - but it does seem fairly strange to leave it out, considering how integral it is to the images of the Moon Landing we saw.

 

[Job]

Actually Buzz is more pissed off because in typical Hollywood fashion they have decided to make characters out of real people, so the buzz Aldrin in the film is portrayed as a thick, loudmouth.

 

[Lakih]

Talking to people I work with in San Fran, LA and SoCal it has been a problem and rather than get a brick through the window they take them down. Google maps street views gets updated how often (honestly no idea)?

Maybe it's a California thing. I live north of Seattle and I haven't seen any decrease in the number of flags on houses or cars in the past four years. I travel a lot up and down the I5-corridor and see lots of different towns. I was up in Alaska earlier this summer and couldn't see any difference from any previous visits either.

@SilverHood lives on the east coast iirc, he might have some input from that side of the country.

 

[Moriath]

FoxyMedia

Lol irish news.

 

[Job]

The plaque saga continues.

Plaque for ‘first modern lesbian’ to be reworded after complaints

 

[Scouse]

You're all going to die! Too soon!

Well, 78% of you are. You fat cunts. Not me.

Check your heart age in this not-as-fun-as-I-thought-it-would-be test.


I'm 2 years younger than I should be apparently. Even with high cholesterol (that I appear to be able to do fuck all about).