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[Moriath]

That's what happens to fat lazy smokers like my mum.

Won't happen to me

You dont know that. You have no idea. Even the fittest most healthy people can succum to dementia and other things.

 

[Scouse]

You dont know that. You have no idea. Even the fittest most healthy people can succum to dementia and other things.

Absolutely. But we're talking about relative risk - and only an idiot wouldn't acknowledge the increasingly well evidenced argument that lifestyle makes a massive difference to your chances.

 

[Moriath]

Absolutely. But we're talking about relative risk - and only an idiot wouldn't acknowledge the increasingly well evidenced argument that lifestyle makes a massive difference to your chances.

It makes a difference but when you get a 4% average risk and the papers say doing x increases your risk by 50% everyone goes ape shit but thats still only a 6% risk.

Media gives big scarey % numbers and not the reality. So instead of 4 out of 100 its 6. Or whatever number of people you want to see.

Like the processed meats yes it increased by what ever percent but that was from a low level of total risk.

You can spend your whole life depriving yourself of everything, not sayinf scouse does as he drinks some, but others live of nuts and shit and you can end up the next michael j fox. Or terry pratchet.

I prefer to live as i want and enjoy what i do rather than denying myself because i might live five years longer. In or out of good health i prefer five hedonistic years at fourty to five infront of the tv at ninty.

 

[Moriath]

These still @Damini ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3xbpf2/who_buys_these_dolls

Was on reddit

 

[Scouse]

Nobody is saying live like a monk. Those who do are just weird. I do live a hedonistic life - I enjoy my food and don't feel like crap after it, I drink, I spend more than 50% of my weekends away doing fun active stuff and because of that my chances of living a longer happier life in a fitter state of health (both physically and mentally) are vastly increased.

You're also vastly underestimating risk change (because you pulled your figures from your bottom).

For example - smoking alone increases risks:

• For coronary heart disease by 2 to 4 times
• For stroke by 2 to 4 times
• Of men developing lung cancer by 25 times
• Of women developing lung cancer by 25.7 times
• Smokers are 12 to 13 times more likely to die from COPD than nonsmokers

And a couple of hundred other diseases and lifestyle issues other than death, for example:

Spoiler

• Smoking can make it harder for a woman to become pregnant and can affect her baby's health before and after birth. Smoking increases risks for:
  • Preterm (early) delivery
  • Stillbirth (death of the baby before birth)
  • Low birth weight
  • Sudden infant death syndrome (known as SIDS or crib death)
  • Ectopic pregnancy
  • Orofacial clefts in infants

• Smoking can also affect men's sperm, which can reduce fertility and also increase risks for birth defects and miscarriage.
• Smoking can affect bone health.
  • Women past childbearing years who smoke have weaker bones than women who never smoked, and are at greater risk for broken bones.
• Smoking affects the health of your teeth and gums and can cause tooth loss.
• Smoking can increase your risk for cataracts (clouding of the eye’s lens that makes it hard for you to see) and age-related macular degeneration (damage to a small spot near the center of the retina, the part of the eye needed for central vision).
• Smoking is a cause of type 2 diabetes mellitus and can make it harder to control. The risk of developing diabetes is 30–40% higher for active smokers than nonsmokers.
• Smoking causes general adverse effects on the body, including inflammation and decreased immune function.
• Smoking is a cause of rheumatoid arthritis

So your argument about living like a monk is just a self-justifying argument of an unhealthy person. I posted a little article from New Scientist about the astonishing benefits of being active (low fitness is almost twice as bad for you as smoking!) and the standard lot of unhealthy whiners turned up and started talking bollocks again...

Go figure.

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN5PBM8vKfs

 

[Moriath]

Nobody is saying live like a monk. Those who do are just weird. I do live a hedonistic life - I enjoy my food and don't feel like crap after it, I drink, I spend more than 50% of my weekends away doing fun active stuff and because of that my chances of living a longer happier life in a fitter state of health (both physically and mentally) are vastly increased.

You're also vastly underestimating risk change (because you pulled your figures from your bottom).

For example - smoking alone increases risks:

And a couple of hundred other diseases and lifestyle issues other than death, for example:

Spoiler

• Smoking can make it harder for a woman to become pregnant and can affect her baby's health before and after birth. Smoking increases risks for:
  • Preterm (early) delivery
  • Stillbirth (death of the baby before birth)
  • Low birth weight
  • Sudden infant death syndrome (known as SIDS or crib death)
  • Ectopic pregnancy
  • Orofacial clefts in infants

• Smoking can also affect men's sperm, which can reduce fertility and also increase risks for birth defects and miscarriage.
• Smoking can affect bone health.
  • Women past childbearing years who smoke have weaker bones than women who never smoked, and are at greater risk for broken bones.
• Smoking affects the health of your teeth and gums and can cause tooth loss.
• Smoking can increase your risk for cataracts (clouding of the eye’s lens that makes it hard for you to see) and age-related macular degeneration (damage to a small spot near the center of the retina, the part of the eye needed for central vision).
• Smoking is a cause of type 2 diabetes mellitus and can make it harder to control. The risk of developing diabetes is 30–40% higher for active smokers than nonsmokers.
• Smoking causes general adverse effects on the body, including inflammation and decreased immune function.
• Smoking is a cause of rheumatoid arthritis

So your argument about living like a monk is just a self-justifying argument of an unhealthy person. I posted a little article from New Scientist about the astonishing benefits of being active (low fitness is almost twice as bad for you as smoking!) and the standard lot of unhealthy whiners turned up and started talking bollocks again...

Go figure.

Smoking i didnt touch everyone knows thas really bad. You used it to further your own goals. What i referenced was the recent processed meat, bacon risk. Treat lime with lime dur.

You enjoy climbing and kyaking fine. But dont push it on people who dont like that sort of thing and become holier than thou. Everyone is different and i could preach my life is more fun than yours because for me it is. So dont be a self righteous prick and claim our life is better because its all subjective.

 

[Scouse]

dont push it on people who dont like that sort of thing and become holier than thou.... so dont be a self righteous prick

I didn't push anything on anyone - I simply posted this - because I found it very interesting and because posting stuff you find interesting is what you do around here.

Then you overly-touchy fat bastards started whining and arguing because any random mention of a healthy lifestyle or the benefits of exercise, even when it's not directed at you, means you feel guilty and you start raging about it and talking bollocks.

Well fuck that. If I find something interesting I'm going to post it. If it makes you feel bad, tough shit. It doesn't make me a self-righteous prick - what happens is that posting health-related stuff seems to turn you into a whiny cunt.

If people hadn't started talking crap simply because that article was posted then there wouldn't be an argument at all. It would just have been an interesting piece from NS that people felt free to read, or not...

 

[CorNokZ]

1-2 years dying from cancer vs 10 years of shitting yourself and forgetting you left the oven on.

hmmm.

Besides which, its only years if you are talked into prolonging it with little chance of getting through.

I don't get everyone's obsession in living every last minute, regardless of quality of life. If you're fucked, just let it go.

Fuck that, I would rather enjoy myself while I can, not suffer when my arse doesn't work any more.

Boom, you get lung cancer at 43. Dead a year later. Your kids are still in their early teens. You'll never see them graduate, get married or meet your grandchildren. You leave your SO to live the rest of her life alone missing you and comforting herself with other men that will never mean the same to her as you did.

Life is not all about "Me! Me! Me!", you have to think about those around you too..

 

[Job]

You can get lung cancer from one cigarette, or not get it from fifty thousand.
That,s bad luck ,not a cause effect, the original study was correct on every level, your body has about seven levels of protection against cancer, the odds of a mutated cell making it are astronomical, you could breathe asbestos for a year and be fine...the next guy could develop a tumour, that's bad luck on every level.

 

[caLLous]

 

[Scouse]

We'll have to add "assessing risk" to go along with "brown people" on the list of things that @Job doesn't understand.

But to be fair, understanding risk is one of those things the majority of humans are really bad at. So I can't really hold it against you

 

[Tom]

In or out of good health i prefer five hedonistic years at fourty to five infront of the tv at ninty.

It isn't one or the other you know. You can have both. I have every intention of being still able to ride my bike long distances if I get to 90.

 

[old.user4556]

My gran was still hill walking at 80. She died at 94 simply from old age.

 

[old.user4556]

Apparently this guy was engaged on a discussion with Toht on the internet.

 

[Scouse]

My gran was still hill walking at 80. She died at 94 simply from old age.

I meet lots of octogenarians up mountains

 

[old.user4556]

I meet lots of octogenarians up mountains

Lemonparty?

 

[Scouse]

Lemonparty?

I just looked that up

... aaaand

 

[Job]

Both people have increased their risk...just as you increase your risk by standing outside , you might get hit by a meteorite, it doesn't mean you are going to get hit and smoking one doesn't mean you are or aren't going to get cancer, standing outside increases your risk, but you could get hit straight away...but standing outside doesn't cause you to get hit....it's. Bad Luck.

Their is no biological link or process between anything and cancer, it's just an increased risk...and these things are tested on rats bred to be so genetically unstable they get cancer by just eating food.

How can they say chemicals increase the risk in humans without historical baseline data.

 

[Scouse]

Their is no biological link or process between anything and cancer

Spoiler

 

[Gwadien]

 

[Scouse]

Because ridicule of @Job's opinion may not actually be productive (and the fact that his opinion is both wrong and dangerous) - here's a little bit of evidence that proves how very misguided you are. It's part of a framework developed to help researchers understand the biological links and processes around cancer, it's causes, it's identification, propagation and treatment in a structured manner.

Don't ever tell me that I don't take attempting to provide better information to those who hold horribly incorrect opinions in an attempt to educate them seriously, eh?

 

[Raven]

Top tip for other filthy students.

Amazon are offering 6 months free trial of student prime then £39 afterwards, you get all the usual prime stuff from the looks of it.

 

[Gwadien]

Top tip for other filthy students.

Amazon are offering 6 months free trial of student prime then £39 afterwards, you get all the usual prime stuff from the looks of it.

Yeah, I did the 6 months trial, but didn't renew it because you know, I'm a proper student :O

 

[Gwadien]

When playing Hearthstone as a Hunter and you put down the -2 damage to all minions secret, and your enemy fills the board of 2 hp minions.

 

[Scouse]

When playing Hearthstone as a Hunter and you put down the -2 damage to all minions secret, and your enemy fills the board of 2 hp minions.

I think of all the characters the Hunter is OP.

 

[Gwadien]

I think of all the characters the Hunter is OP.

Aye, I'm running a face deck, it usually goes pretty well with this tavern brawl aswell, just farming the presents.

 

[Job]

It would be nice if there was a link..make proving cancerous chemicals pretty easy eh...all they have is statistics, they are good enough, but no one anywhere can show you anything that actually causes a mutation in a cell that goes on to be a cancerous tumour outside of special laboratory conditions., they just do not have the knowledge yet.

 

[Gwadien]

It would be nice if there was a link..make proving cancerous chemicals pretty easy eh...all they have is statistics, they are good enough, but no one anywhere can show you anything that actually causes a mutation in a cell that goes on to be a cancerous tumour outside of special laboratory conditions., they just do not have the knowledge yet.

Go to Chernobyl, tell me how you get on.

 

[Urgat]

It would be nice if there was a link..make proving cancerous chemicals pretty easy eh...all they have is statistics, they are good enough, but no one anywhere can show you anything that actually causes a mutation in a cell that goes on to be a cancerous tumour outside of special laboratory conditions., they just do not have the knowledge yet.

You mean like the big list of known [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_1_carcinogens']Carcinogens[/url] we already have. That have been proven to damage cells sufficiently to cause cancer...

Jeez you're retarded.