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[Tom]

So tell us how and why. Not just simple statements that have no meaning.

Job adds little to debates like this. In response to intelligent points he posts blatant nonsense dredged from the pages of the Daily Express or Mail. He falls for all the UKIP bullshit, posting other people's observations (themselves of dubious accuracy) as gospel. Anything to fit his Little Britain agenda of evil immigrants, a communist EU, dark scientific conspiracies and a global plot to destroy our right to paint our post boxes bright red.

And that's why I won't be telling you how and why - because unless you read the same nonsense as he does, you probably already know how and why. And if you don't, you should ask yourself...why?

 

[Job]

You could straight up convert this a car. I read somewhere that a Citroen C1 costs 6 tonnes co2 emission. If you think a dog is worse for the climate than a fuel consuming car, I find it hard to have a discussion with you

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427311.600-how-green-is-your-pet.html

 

[caLLous]

Yes. Let's make this as public as possible so that more people know about it and can abuse it before it's fixed.

Just like wow morons posting about exploits.

Or, let's continue to let a company that is all about peoples' money get away with absolutely shocking security. The twitter exchange is more to highlight the awful attitude of BetFair. It's like having a protracted conversation with you, but dealing with a company instead. For 99% of the time they were saying one thing and then, when backed into a corner, they meekly said that the guy was actually right and started spouting t&c rubbish to try and camouflage their fuck-up.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Am i really the only one who knows Job is trolling, very effectively at that as well

 

[caLLous]

(And, no, @Scouse.)

And BetFair have fixed it now anyway, thanks to public pressure. It was first reported on their forums over 3 weeks ago and nothing was done. Then this blew up yesterday and all-of-a-sudden it's fixed. So if everybody had just shuffled their feet and not told anybody about it yesterday, everybody would be none the wiser and things would've gone unchanged. So, yeah, it's not like some exploit in some game.

 

[CorNokZ]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427311.600-how-green-is-your-pet.html

Did you read the full article or just the 10-15 lines of introduction to the article about a whole book? Here* are more elaborated versions of the link you posted. At no point is the production of the vehicle itself taken into consideration. A vehicle often has a longer lifespan than a dog, meaning, that when the dog dies of old age, the SUV keeps trucking and consuming fuel.

Read this, Job: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car


*
http://swt.org/petfootprint/PetEcoFootprint-NewScientist-2009-1023.pdf
http://www.mnn.com/family/pets/blogs/how-green-is-your-pet
*

 

[Job]

Well yes , but of course keeping your old car running saves a massive amount of co2 compared to getting someone to build you a new one, and of course we nearly always buy another dog.
Yes I did leave out vehicle construction because that is an abstract angle to the debate, but I think most people will be surprised how much co2 animals are recycling.

 

[Raven]

There is the awkward truth that none of this would be a problem if there were not too many people on the planet.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Welp, it's mayday weekend, national get drunk day around here, so a perfect time to lock my door, shut my phone and start unglogging the tv toilet with 9 shield episodes.

Got my non alcohol drinks and snacks, skipping the whole "dead in the morning" this year.

 

[fettoken]

Any feedback would be appreciated.

http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/u87y6r

Roughly an hour of coming up with preposterous stuff.

 

[Moriath]

There is the awkward truth that none of this would be a problem if there were not too many people on the planet.

This is just me and my ability to not identify with others. But i think we should restrict births. I think the chinese had it about right. Maybe not popular but we should have kept the population down.

I know its imposssible to implement especially globally. But we are to populous for the life styles we want to maintain or aspire to as a species.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think the issue is with trying to save everyone. While noble and i'd probably try and save anyone i could, it is going to end up(or already is?) with other issues.

Choice then becomes if you're willing to put the whole of humanity in the long run ahead of individuals in the short.

Personally? Save all you can and die as one.

 

[Job]

If man made climate change turns into a damp squid, which I believe it will, then we can go back to good old oil based growth, bring it on.

 

[old.user4556]

Opinions, good and bad, on this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvXTJCYSXE


Is it a bit beige? Some hilariously cheap lease deals for these and I'm due to change. Reviews are excellent, very well equipped as standard (variable dampers, satnav, LED headlights, LED interior lights, mechanical limited slip diff to name a few).

 

[Moriath]

If man made climate change turns into a damp squid, which I believe it will, then we can go back to good old oil based growth, bring it on.

Not really cause its a finite resource.

 

[Moriath]

I think the issue is with trying to save everyone. While noble and i'd probably try and save anyone i could, it is going to end up(or already is?) with other issues.

Choice then becomes if you're willing to put the whole of humanity in the long run ahead of individuals in the short.

Personally? Save all you can and die as one.

Personally we try and save too many. We are anti darwinism at the moment becuase we dont do survival of the fittest in its true sense any more.

 

[Raven]

Opinions, good and bad, on this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvXTJCYSXE


Is it a bit beige? Some hilariously cheap lease deals for these and I'm due to change. Reviews are excellent, very well equipped as standard (variable dampers, satnav, LED headlights, LED interior lights, mechanical limited slip diff to name a few).

Like a golf but not a golf.

 

[mooSe_]

damp squid yo


View: https://youtu.be/XnXKVY-_i2c?t=1m1s

 

[DaGaffer]

Opinions, good and bad, on this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvXTJCYSXE


Is it a bit beige? Some hilariously cheap lease deals for these and I'm due to change. Reviews are excellent, very well equipped as standard (variable dampers, satnav, LED headlights, LED interior lights, mechanical limited slip diff to name a few).

Good to lease rather than buy because of their catastrophic depreciation. Decent car if you don't mind the lack of a desirable image and shedloads of power through the front wheels (FWIW I think the Astra VXR is a better car with similar image issues)

 

[old.Tohtori]

Personally we try and save too many. We are anti darwinism at the moment becuase we dont do survival of the fittest in its true sense any more.

Yeap, i acknowledge that and as stupid as it may be, i still want us to atleast try and save everyone.

That or someone with a really thick skin needs to make some serious choices.

 

[Bodhi]

Opinions, good and bad, on this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvXTJCYSXE


Is it a bit beige? Some hilariously cheap lease deals for these and I'm due to change. Reviews are excellent, very well equipped as standard (variable dampers, satnav, LED headlights, LED interior lights, mechanical limited slip diff to name a few).

Would probably be my choice out of the fast VAG stuff (Golf R, S3 etc), supposed to be properly rapid once on the move, and seems to be getting pretty good reviews.

I'd probably still go for the M135i for that engine and some RWD shenanigans, or perhaps the hot Megane that seems to be the darling of car journalists.

 

[old.user4556]

Aye, but the 135i and Megane are no options on the company car scheme :|, hence the choice along with laughable discounting via the lease company. If the 135i was under the CO2 limit, deffo.

 

[old.user4556]

Good to lease rather than buy because of their catastrophic depreciation. Decent car if you don't mind the lack of a desirable image and shedloads of power through the front wheels (FWIW I think the Astra VXR is a better car with similar image issues)

Indeed, isn't the VXR are bit fat though? Last comment I heard over on Evo.

 

[Bodhi]

I've heard good things about the 125i / 228i, both 2 litre engines so should be as low on CO2 as the Seat. They are completely overshadowed by the x35i models being not much more expensive, but if they aren't an option may be worth a look?

Other than that I'd be tempted by the Seat, or even (whisper it) the Astra VXR.

 

[Bodhi]

Indeed, isn't the VXR are bit fat though? Last comment I heard over on Evo.

Haven't read What Porsche? magazine for a while, but I know everyone's favourite curly haired ape liked it. I;d say for him to give a Vauxhall a good review it must be half decent.

 

[Moriath]

I had an astra sri 170bhp once. It was good. But i think the vxr has too much power through the front wheels and can torque steer a lot

 

[old.user4556]

'ken hell, VXR is 1500 kg! No wonder it needs 276 bhp.

At the risk of sounding ironic and contradictory, don't you think the VXR is a bit ... chavvy? The Cupra looks more understated, especially in black, glides under the radar a bit?

@Bodhi yeah get what you're saying bud, unfortunately the beemers don't have the same amusing lease discount that the Seats do, that's what makes the Cupra a fricking bargain. Otherwise, definitely.

 

[Bodhi]

That's the only problem with the VXR is the image, which also attracts the wrong sorts (only person I know who ever bought a VXR Astra had their wheels stolen in Stourbridge). Shame, as otherwise, Vauxhall actually seem to have made a decent car.

Must admit though, from what you've said it's tough to look past the Cupra. The Golf GTi is also supposed to be excellent, but I suspect it's more expensive for less power but a "better" badge.

New Cooper S too small I take it?

edit// Actually scrap that, if you can, I'd go for a GT86. Not the quickest thing in the world, but supposed to be a cracking steer.

 

[old.user4556]

New Cooper S too small I take it?

Ahhh now you're talking, that was the hot fave until I saw the discounted Cupra lease payments - it's only an extra £12 a month for the Cupra over the new John Cooper Works (which I'm test driving tomorrow night) - 230 bhp (basically the same engine from the 228i and 428i), so it's 50 down on the Cupra, but it's also a whole 250kg lighter than the Cupra, so the performance difference is minimal. Space isn't really a problem - no kids, not married.

The jury is out on the looks.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ai0O1sJLbs

 

[Mabs]

amused the shit out of me

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...evelopers-must-be-rebuilt-brick-by-brick.html