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old.Pepsay
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why don't they stack up to the pbaoers of the other realms?
why don't they stack up to the pbaoers of the other realms?
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old.Nol
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I am not going to get into the politics of this thread...'scuse the caps, but it seems some people don't read properly.
BARDS DO NOT HAVE GROUP PURGE!
BARDS DO NOT HAVE GROUP PURGE!
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Well all I have to add is: wait till pvp and u hibbies are on the recieving end of those bards & stuns. Then come post here again, please. Making rps in hib is a piece of piss. I dont wanna downgrade the hib RR6 tanks achievements - but i'm gonna anyway - any fool can rack up the rps killing mezzd/stunned targets, its childsplay.
http://www.camelot-seer.com/classes/rp50.php?x=8
Check those color codes.
http://www.camelot-seer.com/classes/rp50.php?x=8
Check those color codes.
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LOL - in your groups you don't have to watch for the stunned one. By the time you ran your tank ass to the stunned one, he will have droped dead .
I see how you work in your groups. Your tanks charge out into the enemy group and hit on healers/casters. Now instead of mezzing you and leaving you alone, albs tend to attack you. Even if you get mezzed it willl be broken by 3 plus tanks in stick hitting on you while u run around chasing casters - who are busy running away instead of mezzing or nuking. It takes a long time to take you down if your druid is still opperational, IP's and Moose are up. While pretty much the whole albs try to beat on the 2 tanks, bards mezz the rest of the albs over and over, Casters pick of single targets, stun them and fry them.
If only tanks in alb would learn to go for bards/casters, leave mooses alone and not to break mezz - we would do a little better. Still not saying we could win 8 v. 8 a majority of the time, since 9 sec stun and ubernukes on the same class is hard to beat.
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old.Xanthian
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Konah since when has a Bard been a main healing class?
90% of Bards cant heal for shit, I think you will find that Druid is our main healing class, a class which has bugger all use in rvr except for the heals, and the grey con pets.. oh and aoe root "when" its used properly.
AND if they can afford it, grp purge (most cant)
90% of Bards cant heal for shit, I think you will find that Druid is our main healing class, a class which has bugger all use in rvr except for the heals, and the grey con pets.. oh and aoe root "when" its used properly.
AND if they can afford it, grp purge (most cant)
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old.Pepsay
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its all about rps... gah, rps = time. the more time ya spend in rvr the more rps ya get... couldn't it just be so that most hibs has no life at all and just sits and the comp and rvr's? 
Edit: gah, hibs not rps
Edit: gah, hibs not rps
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Eldritch mana-spec:
DD: Direct damage combat spell.
2 Lesser Mana Ripple Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 15 dmg 2 power
7 Mana Ripple Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 52 dmg 5 power
11 Mana Eddy Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 74 dmg 7 power
15 Mana Splash Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 104 dmg 9 power
20 Mana Burst Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 133 dmg 12 power
26 Mana Flux Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 176 dmg 16 power
32 Mana Billow Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 214 dmg 20 power
39 Mana Surge Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 265 dmg 25 power
48 Mana Flood Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 325 dmg 31 power
Wizard Ice-spec:
DD: Direct damage combat spell.
7 Burst of Steam (Minor) Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 52 dmg 5 power
11 Burst of Steam Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 74 dmg 7 power
15 Steaming Blast (Minor) Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 104 dmg 9 power
20 Steaming Blast Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 133 dmg 12 power
26 Steaming Blast (Major) Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 176 dmg 16 power
32 Steaming Wind (Minor) Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 214 dmg 20 power
39 Steaming Wind Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 265 dmg 25 power
48 Steaming Wind (Major) Enemy 3.0 Area: 300 325 dmg 31 power
spot the difference ? me neither
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old.Pepsay
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but we have mana chanters :O
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Wow you managed to copy paste identical spells, you know the way mythic does things to 'make sure' it's balanced. Try being A BIT more narrow minded and you just might find the answer.
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old.Pepsay
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what? ya complained that ice wizzies wasen't like the other realms pbaoers... but still their kinda just like mana elds, and now your made up some other excuse?
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hib casters
hib casters are hopelessly overpowered for one reason only, they all got baseline stun. Remove the stun from them and give it to the druid, that will make it much more even.
hib casters are hopelessly overpowered for one reason only, they all got baseline stun. Remove the stun from them and give it to the druid, that will make it much more even.
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old.BJ|Bored
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and is there one existing on the server ?
i knew of 2 in the whole of alb, both who have left
so no it doesnt exist.
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konah, hmm should I talk to you or the huge chip on your shoulder...
RR6 isn't hard to get for any smart L50 player who has a lot of time to play. regardless of realm.
and i agree with what zagg said... you don't often see mobile alb groups running around and engaging the enemy with rush + aoe CC. the exception being some FC groups which take the attack to us and are very successful.
RR6 isn't hard to get for any smart L50 player who has a lot of time to play. regardless of realm.
and i agree with what zagg said... you don't often see mobile alb groups running around and engaging the enemy with rush + aoe CC. the exception being some FC groups which take the attack to us and are very successful.
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"If a hero gets close to a alb mage its whack whack. If a armsman get close to a hib mage its stun, nuke, nuke....."
This is so true, all the time alb mages get charged so they root and run, meanwhile an alb tank tries to kill them breaks root and the mage dies.
Now in hib, this is just what u want, fast cast stun, all hibs nearby will go for closest target, and because its hitting mage (pvm habbit) will be even more encoraged to hit it and it will die fast.
And a high % of hib mages got pbae as well, compared to low % of pbae ice wizards.
Its all down to spells being spread over too many classes. If wizard and theurg were combined it would be worth speccing high in ice : (ae root, pbae, ice pets, nuke with snare etc).
or high in earth: (pbt, gtae, ae nuke, earth pets etc).
For example compare earth spec theurg to suppression spec runemaster, earth theurg is totally gimped, his only nuke is from baseline ice, he gets almost useless earth pets and even more useless attack speed debuff. Sup spec runie gets nearsight, which in itself is better than speed debuff and pets put together and gets a reasonable nuke and a ae nuke.
Mythic needs to combine the 2 sets of earth and ice lines, remove the air line, and keep the fire line to make a new class Wizargist. Then delete the other 2 classes Not gonna happen but 4 different caster classes in one realm is too much.
Not many ppl mentioned nearsight so far, and i haven't noticed it being used so much, its a damn good skill, put it on a healer and oh look they aren't healing any more. Put it on mezzer etc
What class does Alb get nearsight, oh yer, Cabalist
In conclusion albs need more clerics, at least 3 or 4 in a group, 2 smite specced, 2 rejuv specced. Then as someone said before some clerics can focus on getting into 1000 range and casting stun, while the others focus on healing the group.
One other thing, cleric gets charged by a tank, they got 1 pbae mezz then thats is, that cleric is tied up for a while. With a hib caster, cus of quickcast they can all stun, and some can even mezz, fall back then stun.
Why oh why did mythic nerf the pbae mezz to 5 min i got no idea, i mean its such a poor duration and range it should only be used when a cleric is tied up, not as main CC. You can maybe argue bard only gets one insta every 10 min or whatever it is, and same with healer, but cleric is our only decent stun class, same goes for mid but they have 4 insta's to help them, not one
One last thing http://www.gatecentral.com/daoc/doc/realmbalance_l1.php
just check out the Stun area and /cry if ur an alb
This is so true, all the time alb mages get charged so they root and run, meanwhile an alb tank tries to kill them breaks root and the mage dies.
Now in hib, this is just what u want, fast cast stun, all hibs nearby will go for closest target, and because its hitting mage (pvm habbit) will be even more encoraged to hit it and it will die fast.
And a high % of hib mages got pbae as well, compared to low % of pbae ice wizards.
Its all down to spells being spread over too many classes. If wizard and theurg were combined it would be worth speccing high in ice : (ae root, pbae, ice pets, nuke with snare etc).
or high in earth: (pbt, gtae, ae nuke, earth pets etc).
For example compare earth spec theurg to suppression spec runemaster, earth theurg is totally gimped, his only nuke is from baseline ice, he gets almost useless earth pets and even more useless attack speed debuff. Sup spec runie gets nearsight, which in itself is better than speed debuff and pets put together and gets a reasonable nuke and a ae nuke.
Mythic needs to combine the 2 sets of earth and ice lines, remove the air line, and keep the fire line to make a new class Wizargist. Then delete the other 2 classes
Not gonna happen but 4 different caster classes in one realm is too much.Not many ppl mentioned nearsight so far, and i haven't noticed it being used so much, its a damn good skill, put it on a healer and oh look they aren't healing any more. Put it on mezzer etc
What class does Alb get nearsight, oh yer, Cabalist
In conclusion albs need more clerics, at least 3 or 4 in a group, 2 smite specced, 2 rejuv specced. Then as someone said before some clerics can focus on getting into 1000 range and casting stun, while the others focus on healing the group.
One other thing, cleric gets charged by a tank, they got 1 pbae mezz then thats is, that cleric is tied up for a while. With a hib caster, cus of quickcast they can all stun, and some can even mezz, fall back then stun.
Why oh why did mythic nerf the pbae mezz to 5 min i got no idea, i mean its such a poor duration and range it should only be used when a cleric is tied up, not as main CC. You can maybe argue bard only gets one insta every 10 min or whatever it is, and same with healer, but cleric is our only decent stun class, same goes for mid but they have 4 insta's to help them, not one
One last thing http://www.gatecentral.com/daoc/doc/realmbalance_l1.php
just check out the Stun area and /cry if ur an alb
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old.Nol
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I don't think mezzes stack, if you break a mezz then you shouldn't be able to get mezzed again for the duration of the one minute timer. Unless you purge, but that is a bug that is fixed next patch.
Most bards will not keep recasting mezz, we will mezz once, then use lull, single/group heal if we have a high enough rejuve spec and run around playing end song.
It is no different to a healers insta.
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Well, just gotta say that I think most mid healers have at least 43 pac (11 sec castable ae stun) and that's excactly where I stopped with mine. And I use it ALL the time. First ae mez, then spam ae stun. It works. Only really use instas if we're outgunned or in pursuit so we can catch and overrun enemies. For balance's sake, get rid of the instas, the castable ae stun is bad enough, as is the single stun on all hib casters. And sorcs go down way too fast. Yes, I agree that albs have a problem. Doesn't help that the classes with the nifty spells in albion are way underplayed either. Hey, you albs actually got me to feel sorry for you now:-/
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Nova its not easy to get RPs on alb cus we have no classes that do uber dmg and to kill peeps quickly before anybody out of grp hit them. That and the fact that u have 2 casters in a grp at 50 with PBAOE,baseline Stun, Hard as Hell nukes...Bards with SS5, AOE Mess, Heals..tanks with spears, moose that adds +50%hp and adds CS, Champions with DDs, Debuffs and still hit hard....
and u compare alb tanks and casters the same?..........
Armsman - No Magic, has to spec in 2 specs to get decent in 1...
Paladin - Average chants but crap damage
Merc - Dual Weild but not morph (imo this class same as Zerker/Moose)
how can u say they are the same as hib/mid tanks? OH WAIT WE GET PLATE WOW!!!!!!!!!...i would trade my plate for morph any time.
facts:
3 hib tanks with 1mil+ rp
Huma only alb tank with 700k+ in one of the best guilds in alb has as much if not more play time than those 3..Wuren, Cuther, Nova.
Hibs/mids get more RP cus they can stun and kill without anybody else touching the target :/
and u compare alb tanks and casters the same?..........
Armsman - No Magic, has to spec in 2 specs to get decent in 1...
Paladin - Average chants but crap damage
Merc - Dual Weild but not morph (imo this class same as Zerker/Moose)
how can u say they are the same as hib/mid tanks? OH WAIT WE GET PLATE WOW!!!!!!!!!...i would trade my plate for morph any time.
facts:
3 hib tanks with 1mil+ rp
Huma only alb tank with 700k+ in one of the best guilds in alb has as much if not more play time than those 3..Wuren, Cuther, Nova.
Hibs/mids get more RP cus they can stun and kill without anybody else touching the target :/
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<laughs> lol... what tigerius said, narrowminded
"still their kinda just like mana elds" <- <grin> <bursts out in crying laughter> HAHAHA <tears in his eyes> <still grinning>
Oh, erhm, just doing some facial exercise, nevermind me, I should go to bed now
oh, and some guy was comparing all the stuff a sorc could get somewhere, not sure it was this thread, and I'm too lazy to go look again. Think he said; ae mez, high damage nukes, pet etc.. good aemez = high mindspec, low body spec(low dmg nukes)
Hm, yawn, I'm tired, I blame any errors in this post on lack of sleep. Good night.
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old.m0000
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Wrong, the realms are in no way balanced
a few things that need sorting out:
Insta ae mez and stun that mid has
Insta ae mez that hib soon gets
Albs pbae is cold based = resisted 1/2 the time
Hib casters have a 9 sec stun - alb casters have a root (whoopee)
Alb has no zerk/moose equiv
hib and mid both have insta mez on a massivly played class, alb have sorcs with quickcast and theres like 5 level 50 sorcs if that.
Hib has pets that cast (and thru walls).
Overall: Mid has totally unbeatable CC, Hib has the best casters, the best pbae, the best tank class and loads of soon-to-be insta mezzing bards.
That just about covers it, although i've probably left some other things out where alb is severly disadvantaged compared to hib/mid.
a few things that need sorting out:
Insta ae mez and stun that mid has
Insta ae mez that hib soon gets
Albs pbae is cold based = resisted 1/2 the time
Hib casters have a 9 sec stun - alb casters have a root (whoopee)
Alb has no zerk/moose equiv
hib and mid both have insta mez on a massivly played class, alb have sorcs with quickcast and theres like 5 level 50 sorcs if that.
Hib has pets that cast (and thru walls).
Overall: Mid has totally unbeatable CC, Hib has the best casters, the best pbae, the best tank class and loads of soon-to-be insta mezzing bards.
That just about covers it, although i've probably left some other things out where alb is severly disadvantaged compared to hib/mid.
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old.Xanthian
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And u got aoe mezzers that can stealth.
stfu whinging.. change realms if you dont like it
stfu whinging.. change realms if you dont like it
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Quasimoto
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dude U suck at arguing, cant u just say that ica wizzards are as good as any hibbie PBAoEer?
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urm we do Xanthain? where? lemme see
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Why the 2 alb classes are there is easy - the guild.
Retribution is the largest and most powerful guild holding ALL relics.
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old.Tzeentch
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Hib stun is based on heat.
Get heat resists to reduce it's duration.
Get Determination RA if you can.
Get heat resist buffs if you can.
(oh and fyi there is no such thing as a 400 AE DD)
Get heat resists to reduce it's duration.
Get Determination RA if you can.
Get heat resist buffs if you can.
(oh and fyi there is no such thing as a 400 AE DD)
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Re: hib casters
/anger on
oh yeah and after stun is affects by reists it will be even more overpowered... the caster might just get one nuke of unless u hit him once and interupted him for 3secs+3more secs (cause of the bug)
dude that IS owerpowering..... u realy know what ur talking about, and after purge costs 2 points and heals get a 2000 loc unit range it will prolly get EVEN MORE owerpowering.... and the fact that wizards and runemasters get more raw dammage, and hibcasters traded dmg for stun.... dude that makes stun shine so friggen bright right now.....
in conclusion stun has got to be better then a 2 min. root (or whatever) that aint on no timer.... that can be recast to hold the tank still for the next coupple of houers if u got mana crack
WOULD U GET OVER THE FRIGGEN STUN ALLREADY?
PS: WHile were at it, to whoever thinks the cabbie is gimped.... get a frigen clue and make a matter cabbie......
/anger off
/anger on
oh yeah and after stun is affects by reists it will be even more overpowered... the caster might just get one nuke of unless u hit him once and interupted him for 3secs+3more secs (cause of the bug)
dude that IS owerpowering..... u realy know what ur talking about, and after purge costs 2 points and heals get a 2000 loc unit range it will prolly get EVEN MORE owerpowering.... and the fact that wizards and runemasters get more raw dammage, and hibcasters traded dmg for stun.... dude that makes stun shine so friggen bright right now.....
in conclusion stun has got to be better then a 2 min. root (or whatever) that aint on no timer.... that can be recast to hold the tank still for the next coupple of houers if u got mana crack
WOULD U GET OVER THE FRIGGEN STUN ALLREADY?
PS: WHile were at it, to whoever thinks the cabbie is gimped.... get a frigen clue and make a matter cabbie......
/anger off
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oh had to ad ONE more thing..... U do know the minstrel RA SoS makes hes whole group imune to CC for the whole duartin right?
this would be enugh to wack the healer/s and mabe 1 or 2 casters.....
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I heared those Heroes can also shoot lightning from their eyes and firebolts out of their asses in moose-form!!!
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Re: Re: hib casters
dude, purge costing 2pts was a pendragon only cost, it's changed to 4, not much, but it's changed. dude, traded dmg for stun? dude, stun is baseline. dude, stun shines friggen bright now.....dude
Yeah, dude, our casters meet solo tanks like ALL the time, dude. Root is not CC.
Dude, there's a reason there's so few icewiz'.
dude <still laughing> ok, NOW, I'm going to bed. Dude. "get a friggen clue" rofl, dude
Oh, and about tigerius' arguing capabilities, he was probably just doing a morning flap with his wings, dude.
<yawn> dude
dude, purge costing 2pts was a pendragon only cost, it's changed to 4, not much, but it's changed. dude, traded dmg for stun? dude, stun is baseline. dude, stun shines friggen bright now.....dude
Yeah, dude, our casters meet solo tanks like ALL the time, dude. Root is not CC.
dude, no
Dude, get a friggen clue, cabbie wasn't very much of an option pre luv. Body. dudePS: WHile were at it, to whoever thinks the cabbie is gimped.... get a frigen clue and make a matter cabbie......
/anger off
Dude, there's a reason there's so few icewiz'.
dude <still laughing> ok, NOW, I'm going to bed. Dude. "get a friggen clue" rofl, dude
Oh, and about tigerius' arguing capabilities, he was probably just doing a morning flap with his wings, dude.
<yawn> dude
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m'kay, bah Im not a hardcore nerd like u so I dont know how to qoute several sentances in one post
*2points 4points whatever u lamer its supposed to cost TEN points and it neglects the 2secs we used on casting it when it is used.....
*root IS CC (u dumbass)
*hmmm nearsight, stacking dots (in the same line) aoe DoT, instant aoe desease, pet (one of witch procs a 5min uncurable desease) doh
*and y the hell do u think there are so few ice wizards?... cause pyro wizzards are 10x better then ice and mana casters.... stfu plzz
Can you see a Im right ur wrong pattern here?
now go back to alb and start a zerg or something..
*2points 4points whatever u lamer its supposed to cost TEN points and it neglects the 2secs we used on casting it when it is used.....
*root IS CC (u dumbass)
*hmmm nearsight, stacking dots (in the same line) aoe DoT, instant aoe desease, pet (one of witch procs a 5min uncurable desease) doh
*and y the hell do u think there are so few ice wizards?... cause pyro wizzards are 10x better then ice and mana casters.... stfu plzz
Can you see a Im right ur wrong pattern here?
now go back to alb and start a zerg or something..
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look at that button called "quote" on the page you write the message. you call the skill of reading to be nerdlike? ok, dudeOriginally posted by Quasimoto
m'kay, bah Im not a hardcore nerd like u so I dont know how to qoute several sentances in one post
It still neglects the time spent on casting it as of now. dude
And the easier it is to get the faster they will use it. meaning hopefully the time timer is still there so they can't using it on YOU, pick your battles as best you can, dude.
not compared to mez/stun
another example of a guy reading spellists and thinks this must be uber. You should have tried it, there was a reason cabbies was the class most laughed at for more than half a year
Wrong. Try to level an ice wiz, and you'll see what I mean. dude
Nope, I can't, however I can see a pattern of a smartass which talks without experience. dude
And I won't go start a zerg, I'd rather go play my ice wiz. dude