The Justice Department!!

[harebear]

If someone threatened me / my family / my friends I think its fair enough to protect them/my self, even if that means killing this other guy.

 

[Saggy]

Except you let him go with your telly as long as he isn't threatening anyone, sure you'll get the TV replaced, but its a dead cert he'll be back again, he knows you're a soft touch. Shoot the bugger he ain't coming back.

I can be 99.99999% sure that if I break in a house there wont be anyone pointing a gun at me - when someone does it I would never ever go back there. Besides, pointing someone with a gun and saying "Get out of my property, boy" with redneck-accent isn't exactly what I would call "soft touch", usually the reaction would be something like "Eeek! Go away or I'll call the police!" with dildo in your hand Oh, my point wasn't that I would point a gun at him/her and tell him/her to take the items and leave, my point was that if s/he decides to leg it regardless of me pointing a gun at him/her I prefer to let him/her go even if s/he is still holding my stuff over slaughtering him/her there. I value human life over items.

 

[Pippic]

I can be 99.99999% sure that if I break in a house there wont be anyone pointing a gun at me - when someone does it I would never ever go back there. Besides, pointing someone with a gun and saying "Get out of my property, boy" with redneck-accent isn't exactly what I would call "soft touch", usually the reaction would be something like "Eeek! Go away or I'll call the police!" with dildo in your hand Oh, my point wasn't that I would point a gun at him/her and tell him/her to take the items and leave, my point was that if s/he decides to leg it regardless of me pointing a gun at him/her I prefer to let him/her go even if s/he is still holding my stuff over slaughtering him/her there. I value human life over items.

rlu inoying reading s/he and him/her all the time imo like 99% of burglars are prolly male so just go with him and he tbh

 

[Saggy]

rlu inoying reading s/he and him/her all the time imo like 99% of burglars are prolly male so just go with him and he tbh

That was exactly the reason I used s/he and him/her (yes, it looks kinda silly ) - people seems to consider females as "saints" while they aren't, females do exactly the same crimes as males and the amount of crimes females do is way more than people seems to think. Yes, females can do same nasty things to males as males can do to females. It's important not to discriminate anyone on your post unless you want to get flamed

 

[kelless]

The problem with making a change to the law in the UK , is that it will then be open to abuse by overzealous vigilantes . In the US you have cases of people leaving there windows and doors open during the night and basically waiting in the dark with a gun , safe in the knowledge that they can kill the next piece of scum that has a go.

I know that a lot of stuff can be replaced with money from insurance companies , but sometimes items get stolen that cant be replaced . The thing that pisses me off with the police is that they will devote an entire section of their force that goes around markets and boot-sales busting people for selling counterfeit goods . They seem to have the resourses to look out for the interests of multi-million pound companies (many of which aren't even based in this country ) , but you have anything taken in a burglary and they'll almost tell you to your face that you're screwed .

 

[Astraad]

I remember reading about a case where a burgler climbed onto the roof of some guys house and fell through the skylight, injuring himself. You might think fantastic! the little shit deserved it. He ended up sueing the poor guy whos house he was robbing in the first place for damages.....

So yes... the law is an ass in alot of cases

 

[Cozak]

I value human life over items.

Most of the scum who go around robbing people and commiting similar and worse crimes dont have lifes worth valuing.

 

[Hawkwind]

Or just point your gun at him and see how he react? I would let burgular away with or without the items he was after instead of slaughtering him/her there if s/he decides to leg it - Police will do their best on finding him and I'll get my items back thanks to insurance.

Do you work for an insurance company by chance? Cost of insurance is rising year on year way above inflation due to petty crimes like you describe. In the 3 years before I left the UK (2001-2004) my car insurance went up from 370 to 580 pounds per year, for an Audi A4 1.8T costing around 24k when new. That was with 'Which Car Insurance', not exactly rip off merchants. I should also point out that I was living in a village in Hampshire, hardly car crime capital of the UK.

If insurance keeps rising like this no one will be able to afford it. The UK needs to get tough on crime. One of the many reasons I moved abroad. I love the UK but it saddens me to see the country going to shit the way it is.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Offer him my 32" tv that has a faulty starter processor. Cudos to the guy(or gal!) if he can carry that one ot alone and it's of no use to me. Other then that i'd ask him what the hell was he thinking, coming to my icefloat since there's only an ´89 issue of "Seels 'r us" and half a bag of carrots.

Though the buddy be dead if he be fondling me carrots....

Oh and, guns don't kill people, bullets do.

 

[Job]

Heh. listen to Chris Rocks HBO standup, where he says all bullets should cost 5000 dollars
'If all bullets cost 5000 dollars they'd be no more innocent bystanders getting killed'
'Shit he musta dun summit, they put 50,000 dollars worth of bullets in his ass!!'

 

[Tasslehoff]

By the way, it´s easy to say your hardcore and would kill the bastard on a forum. But if someone really broke into your house, I´d bet a million 95 % of you wouldn't kill him. Just the thought of having killed somebody, no matter how much of a scum they are. Who are we to decide whose life is worth more than others?

 

[harebear]

If they broke in to steal stuff then no, most people wouldn't kill them. If they threatend you or your family as an animal you are made to either run or if you have a chance, kill them.

 

[Nimah™]

Dont give a f**k who it was, if some little ***** in my house, he's getting a free ticket out

 

[Morchaoron]

By the way, it´s easy to say your hardcore and would kill the bastard on a forum. But if someone really broke into your house, I´d bet a million 95 % of you wouldn't kill him. Just the thought of having killed somebody, no matter how much of a scum they are. Who are we to decide whose life is worth more than others?

When i noticed someone messing with my frontdoor lock i took a heavy club to beat the shit out of him, but when i went to the front door it was just some french stoner trying to roll a joint unnoticed

when in panick or rage you dont think about laws and rules at all, you only think about knocking his lights out, he may die yes, but at least it was him and not you, survival is a instinct...

Who are we to decide whose life is worth more than others?

that question is irrelevant in a "you or him" situation, and our primal instincts make us forget that question then anyway...

 

[Job]

Yes, the reality is much different, he's tooled up and (probably coked up) for the job, you are half asleep in your boxer shorts and no shoes.

He might have accomplices waiting for you, that's why Tony Martin was right to pull the trigger.

If the guy runs all is cool, but if he tackles me, I'll use every trick I know to take him out, and anyone who's seen me lose my rag knows I turn psycopath. I would kill him and still be kicking his dead body when the police arrive.
I'm one of those people who turns from mild mannered to blind rage, at that point some primal mechanism cuts in and I would pick up anything and club him to death.

Nasty , but hey that's me.

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

Or just point your gun at him and see how he react?

well i can't remember where i heard this next statement but it did make me smile at how smart it is.


You see someone in your house nicking st00f, you have a shotgun ...

Shout and shoot the numnutz, then wait about 3- 4 secs and shoot in the celing.

that way you can say you gave a warning shot , he tried to rush you and you had to shoot to protect yourself. =)


ask for any1 in my home that was going for anything in the house ( tv/video) they would get a real good beating from me and my family. if i was to hear something and found some person in my brothers/sisters/parents bedroom they would hav me all over them in a second , then prob the last thing they would see would be me waving to them as the went towards the ground outside with a broken window inbetween us.

st00f in house i'm not to worried about , that can be replaced , but go near my family and i will Vendo on you

 

[Marc]

Bag em in limestone and throw em in a river.

 

[oblimov]

There is a very old Scottish law called "hame sooker" or something like that.
Basicly it allows you to defend your house and familly with "reasonable" violence as required.
This law does not allow you to tie up a burgler and cut lumps off him till you get bored.
But if you are in danger or members of your household are in danger you are entitled to give the git a bloody good kicking and restrain him till the authorities (police) arrive.
This seems like a common sense approach to home defense.

edit....

You would also not be allowed to tie him up and make him watch Thugs SB videos. That would be considered "cruel and unusual punishment".

pretty sure this was abolished m8 bout 100 years ago lol, scots law is exactly the same as UK in that if you attack/murder someone in your own home you dont have a leg to stand on

the countries became soft and we allow criminals to run riot and wee bastards to make peoples lives a misery, if i ran the country ide execute about 40% of the population or make them work in sweat camps running the companies basic services

imo if you fuck with someone you deserve to be dead end of story, someone does something to you which they wouldnt like done to themselves then their a **** and deserve to die imo

ha ha i get really heated bout shit like this

 

[Binky the Bomb]

Volt-meter & leads, peirced skin and the dial set to 'ON'. Even the low voltage of the battery can cause serious damage. Got two paintball C02 canisters that pack a mean punch if used properly, not to mention a fully loaded paintball gun. Knifes from the kitchen, tools from the spare bedroom (still decorating and refurbishing) and a batery operated nailgun.

Will to use all of the above included. No wonder we havent been burgled in twenty years, must have had something to do with the broken leg caused the last time it happened.

 

[Marc]

lol@the 2 little smackheads that tried to rob Duncan Fergusons house

 

[Pippic]

lol@the 2 little smackheads that tried to rob Duncan Fergusons house

scousers prolly

 

[Marc]

scousers prolly

Shush you. You been taking too much notice of nakk

If it were scousers they would of got away with it. Was probably a couple of mancs.

 

[Ezteq]

the point brought up by Tass that who are we to decide who lives and dies is a vallid point, also the one by another dude about all life should be valued, but how many of these intruders do you think value human life? how many of the muggers who knock over an 80 year old to nick £10 think "i should value this persons life".

However these views arnt something i would take time to consider if i found a stranger in my home, the main question for this thread was what would you do, not what should you do. I believe in the value of human life, most of the time. I believe that we should do un to others as we would have them do un to us, howvere if your faced with an intruder in the middle of the night he (or she) isnt going to grin sheepishly and quielty walk out the door mumbling "sorry, its a fair cop gov'nr" he (or she) is going to think im well and truely screwed if they call the peelers on me, and fight like buggery to get out of there leaving you in no fit state to recall things clearly.

So do un to others, yes. Do un to them before you get done un to.

was a little old lady in town next to mine caught a burgler and scared the shite out of him with her fathers war sword, thats the spirit! why should the innocent be "victims" why should the innocent not be allowed to defend/protect themselves??

less condemnation of those brave enough to stand up for themselves, i say wtg guys, maybe that'll teach em.

 

[Binky the Bomb]

There's always a downside tho, remember the farmer who shot a gypsie who had broken into his house with 2 mates? He was defending himself and he got locked up for 2 years, then held for an extra 3 years because the police "didn't have the resources to protect him upon his release".

In america they have a law "If someone come's into your house uninvited, anything you do to them is legal, even shooting them dead." No joke, that rule stands in all but 2 states. Unfortunately, this also means that if you own a weapons license, you can own as many weapons as you like, including civilian assault weapons like the M-14 (Civilian M-16). Depressing thought isn't it.

 

[Marc]

There's always a downside tho, remember the farmer who shot a gypsie who had broken into his house with 2 mates? He was defending himself and he got locked up for 2 years, then held for an extra 3 years because the police "didn't have the resources to protect him upon his release".

In america they have a law "If someone come's into your house uninvited, anything you do to them is legal, even shooting them dead." No joke, that rule stands in all but 2 states. Unfortunately, this also means that if you own a weapons license, you can own as many weapons as you like, including civilian assault weapons like the M-14 (Civilian M-16). Depressing thought isn't it.

I really think that law should stand in the UK. I remember when i was a lad, i grew up on a rough council estate, but even then you could leave your door open with no risk of getting your house robbed. Mind you, back then the police were allowed to give you a good kicking if they found you up to no good.

 

[Stoned Viking]

It has to be one of the most stupid laws ever made by mankind, that you cant defend your house if someone breaks in. Resently there was a burglar in my parents house, he/she broke in from the kitchen window at bright daylight, took some jewellery and searched for cash.. funny thing is he/she did not take valuable stuff like the tv ect.. and the fecker even made the bed in the bedroom!. A friend of mine had his ps2,mobile and a lot of cash stolen while he was sleeping in the same room as the burglar operated in... I find that very scary. What pisses me off the most is not the missing things and the fact that someone has been in your home... Its the fact that you will prolly never get to see or punish the bastard himself. If someone breaks into my flat and im there ill get the biggest and sharpest knife I have and a nice hammer to bring him to justice. The pleasure of beating the crap outta the burglar makes up for a possible jail-sentance..

 

[Rookiescot]

There's always a downside tho, remember the farmer who shot a gypsie who had broken into his house with 2 mates? He was defending himself and he got locked up for 2 years, then held for an extra 3 years because the police "didn't have the resources to protect him upon his release".

In america they have a law "If someone come's into your house uninvited, anything you do to them is legal, even shooting them dead." No joke, that rule stands in all but 2 states. Unfortunately, this also means that if you own a weapons license, you can own as many weapons as you like, including civilian assault weapons like the M-14 (Civilian M-16). Depressing thought isn't it.

Actually as was mentioned before in this post the farmer shot the burgler in the back as he was running away. (Natural impulse to run away if someones pointing a shotgun at you ).
So the farmer was unable to justify shooting the twat as self defense.

On your second point yes I can see advantages of being able to shoot someone who breaks into your home but there are also a couple of disadvantages.
There was a reported case here in Scotland of a tourist lost in America who knocked on a door to try and get directions. He got shot dead.
Also if a burgler suspected people in their homes had guns guess what he gonna do? Yup ... get a gun too. And if someone came down the stairs to investigate a noise I'm pretty sure the burgler gonna shoot first then run.

This post started with someone posting about how their bike had been nicked.
At the end of the day its ONLY a bike.
And any human life > bike.
Even if that life is some fuckwit like a thief.

 

[Saggy]

In america they have a law "If someone come's into your house uninvited, anything you do to them is legal, even shooting them dead." No joke, that rule stands in all but 2 states. Unfortunately, this also means that if you own a weapons license, you can own as many weapons as you like, including civilian assault weapons like the M-14 (Civilian M-16). Depressing thought isn't it.

I'm fairly sure that's not the whole truth about that law - how easy would it be to smash your door down and slaughter your guests because they were there "uninvited"? M-14 is just a semi-automatic rifle though? I can get one of those when ever I feel the need for it.

the point brought up by Tass that who are we to decide who lives and dies is a vallid point, also the one by another dude about all life should be valued, but how many of these intruders do you think value human life?

The majority? Surely they would kill the house owners to make their job more safer if that wouldn't be the case (like this thread proves, there is plenty of maniac people out there )? Intruders are mostly after cash/items and I'm fairly sure they try to do their "job" when the house is empty.

Anyway, I dont have problems with people who are willing to empty the barrels just by hearing some noise in their houses - just keep in mind that there is silly people, like me, who would come after you if you happen to hurt his family/friend/dog (unless, ofc, they deserved it = they were about to hurt you) and when the revenge is organised there wont be any "you or him" situation, I would have huge advantage over you and who knows, maybe I would get away with it (yes, if my planned acts could put my family/friends/dog in danger I would consider not to do anything which is probably the reason I'm able to write this instead of doing time in jail).

when in panick or rage you dont think about laws and rules at all, you only think about knocking his lights out, he may die yes, but at least it was him and not you, survival is a instinct...

I lost that instinct years ago in the very same day when I was in rage last time

Enough of this topic for me

 

[Bunnytwo]

M-14 is just a semi-automatic rifle though? I can get one of those when ever I feel the need for it.

The majority? Surely they would kill the house owners to make their job more safer if that wouldn't be the case (like this thread proves, there is plenty of maniac people out there )? Intruders are mostly after cash/items and I'm fairly sure they try to do their "job" when the house is empty.

Yep M14 and M16 are different rifles, however M16s are semi-automatic when sold on the civilian market in the US (although can be converted to fully automatic with some work).

Situation now is that the burglar is going to be most likely armed, even if it is with a crow-bar or other tool for gaining entry. If he chooses to have a gun they aren't hard to come by in the UK if you are willing to break the law, but hey he's already doing that. Basically as things stand the only people who don't have easy access to firearms in the UK are the non criminals.

 

[Vindicator]

Hmm most people here go on about how they would kill somebody if they broke into there Home. Read the sentance again. That's Right, Kill somebody for breaking into your house regardless if they have stole anything or not. Then there's people goin on about if they threatened your family, wtf? there breaking into your house to steal your stuff not to wander around until you come down to threaten you or your family. If somebody does break into your house to actually threaten you or your family then I'd be 99% sure it was because you know this person and there's a Reason in which case it has fuck all to do with self defence in your home.

The fact of the matter is most of you people would not kill somebody that broke into your house regardless of what you say on a Forum. Whether you go into a mad rage and just flip out all crazy like and are some mad bull that kill's everything on site .

Just because somebody is stealing your stuff doesnt give you the right to kill them, there a Living Person. Oh and to the people who think " well there only scum and there life isnt worth anything anyway" who the gives you the right to decide that ? Nobody, you have no right to take a life from somebody for simply stealing from you. That said if somebody broke into my house I would confront them < Armed if possible> I would tell them to leave the house now as the police have been called, which everybody should do once your sure somebody is there. If he brands a weapon and goes for me I will defend my self so as to avoid injury and put him out of commission non-leathally if possible. If he continue's trying to severely injury me and I take him down by killing then so be it BUT it will be in self defence and there's nothing I could have done. If you go about with the intent to kill the bastard who breaks into your house then my friend you deserve to get put away because your a fucking physco who kills people without much cause, no breaking into somebody's house is not fucking cause.

Think about the people you would be 'killing'. There a person just like you and me, you have no idea what drove them to stealing. You have no idea what that person when through in there life and how it's effected them from actually either growthing up normally so they just dont understand its wrong or that they have no choice its either steal or Die. Survival as so many of you Self Confessed Gun Totting, knife wiedling, bat bashing red knuckled physco's have already admitted. Let the Police handly a situtation like that, you pay for it and that's there job to do it for you. I'm sure somebody will point out that the police dont do shit and are useless etc, your a whiner if you think this, there undermaned under-paided fighting against a problem which grow's faster than they can cope and isnt ther only area of concern either. If I need to list them im surprised you can read.

Killing is wrong no matter the Reason. War's may be neccessity of human nature but ever death is a tragic waste of human life whether it be friend or Foe. I would Fight for my country if I had to but I would realise that if I killed somebody I would hate my self for doing it but there's a bigger Cause or Goal to the conflict. To kill somebody simply because they steal your 'itamz' is bullshit. The American law's are insane and you should be glad there not the same, not only would the death toll rise dramatically but it would be just like Buff bot's, everybody would feel the need to get 1 just to 'feel' safe and that leads to lots of death's in your school's , neighbourhoods, your work even on your door step.

Most importantly Ask your self. Could you live with the Death of another human being over a Playstation 2 ? If you could, congradulation's. You just proved your an emtionally detacted Physcopath who's probaly under watch by scotland yard right now .

yeah it is a big diff, i just dont like lying statistics

Yet your stat's are false. The Google 1's ?

US population estimate according to the US Census Bureau is 294,603,438.

pwnd tbh :'(