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The way i see it
Hib = Magic Realm
Mid = Melee Realm
Alb = Rogue Realm!
The way i see it
Hib = Magic Realm
Mid = Melee Realm
Alb = Rogue Realm!
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Cstasy
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Rogue Realm..
Hope you meant that as a joke, otherwise your a complete tard..
But thats just my Oppinion.
Hope you meant that as a joke, otherwise your a complete tard..
But thats just my Oppinion.
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SilverHood
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ROFLMAO!!!!
Ok, it's funny because it's true
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kameh
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Same as always sweet f*ck all. I played Midgard, played hibernia and somehow ended up an Alb.
Albion is a nasty f*cked up miss-mash realm that happens to have a few good classes. Unfortunately most of them are pants
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ilum
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LOL
Thats a nice classification...need to fine tune this area and give some more alb classes stealth...Paladin would be a nice suggestion imo
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old.Morchaoron
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Mythic = teh s00k!
They made alot of stupid things and now they cant change it anymore cuz like 99% of any realm will start whining and threaten with not subscribing anymore
you can add features, but its hard to remove them
GAME OVER SOON!! (at least i hope alot of other gaming companies will have learned from mythics mistakes)
They made alot of stupid things and now they cant change it anymore cuz like 99% of any realm will start whining and threaten with not subscribing anymore
you can add features, but its hard to remove them
GAME OVER SOON!! (at least i hope alot of other gaming companies will have learned from mythics mistakes)
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kameh
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nope look at planetside, 3 factions each moaning it's arse off the instant any other faction gets anything improved. It doesn't matter if it was needed or not, grass is always greener..
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Bagloor
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Ofc have you ever tryed to snuggle with a Bonedancer
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klavrynd
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oh the endless discussion
stop wasting bandwith with the same discussion we've had for 121054189189109810 billion gazillion times
whining on bw won't change a thing
stop wasting bandwith with the same discussion we've had for 121054189189109810 billion gazillion times
whining on bw won't change a thing
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Dook_Pug
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Won't change anything but it'll give us something to do ;>
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jammin0o
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No point in playing atm, i just thought while i had a cuppa and was going to bed i would read some nice whining
I really do think they should give Alb a role, because it seems a bit lost. Thing is once they have found themselves they can make Hib uber Magic, make Mid Uber Melee and Make Alb uber...erm...whatever!
I really do think they should give Alb a role, because it seems a bit lost. Thing is once they have found themselves they can make Hib uber Magic, make Mid Uber Melee and Make Alb uber...erm...whatever!
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old.Morchaoron
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all albs go to hib and make manachanter groups imo
take all powerelics then with our massive numbers and we can live happilly ever after...
take all powerelics then with our massive numbers and we can live happilly ever after...
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Joy, another Melee Realm thread. <ugh>.
Basically, it doesn't work that way. You wind up basically removing all hib tanks, alb tanks and casters, and mid casters if you say "Hib should own with magic, Mid should own in melee".
Pretty much.
Basically, it doesn't work that way. You wind up basically removing all hib tanks, alb tanks and casters, and mid casters if you say "Hib should own with magic, Mid should own in melee".
Pretty much.
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Blood
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nice one comming from a 2.5 spec points, dragonfang4tehwin infil.
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zapzap
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Hmmm people keep talking about damage :/
Why the hell should a berserker hit for same damage as a merc ?
Merc has chain get Ablative chant ect when group.
If mid chars hit for same damage as alb chars there would be no fight.
Albs have dunno how many defencive spells.
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Why the hell should a berserker hit for same damage as a merc ?
Merc has chain get Ablative chant ect when group.
If mid chars hit for same damage as alb chars there would be no fight.
Albs have dunno how many defencive spells.
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faderullan
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And midgård have 3healers and 1shaman in group. Thats damn much healing and cc for defence.
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zapzap
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Nobody is stoping u from runing with 3 clerics + friar if u fell ablative chant ,pale chant shout ,spec AF ,2 x bof, isnt enough defencive to have.
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Xeanor
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Problem is that mids can run 3 healers and they can all spec a bit different (1 pac, 1 high aug, 1 high mend) and a cleric can only spec Rejuvenation, which makes the use of 3 clerics quite gimped.
If we would have Disease in cleric Smite line...
If we would have Disease in cleric Smite line...
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faderullan
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3cleric
1friar
1paladin
1sorc
1minstrel
Leaves 1 spot for damage dealing determination tank. Gimped group i would say.
Meanwhile midgård have 3savage in that group. Little difference or?
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zapzap
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use to do 3 berserkers leave skald out
But savage not a berserker pre nerf so 2 savages is norm.
3 healers where 2 of them is high mend , pac healer with no spread heal only seen in PBAE groups almost. Higher aug then 37 must be as seldom as a batlebard and has very litle to offer a group.
But savage not a berserker pre nerf so 2 savages is norm.
3 healers where 2 of them is high mend , pac healer with no spread heal only seen in PBAE groups almost. Higher aug then 37 must be as seldom as a batlebard and has very litle to offer a group.
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>Regardless of any perceived sub-agenda from the original poster this has descended into yet another LA debate to add to the collection - which is a shame.
You are quite right here Noita, it is a shame people rarely think further than their noses, or maybe they cant comprehend long sentences and fall back on the flavour of the month postings. To all that failed reading comprehension in school, the question was:
Do you feel happy starting up in a new game developed by Mythic when you know they apply changes to game balance haphazardly, ie you never know which is the "favoured" side when you start up and where significant changes to your invested time can happen even 2 years after you started to play? Remember that this situation can hit you right in the face no matter what realm you play in Doac.
Granted I suspect few in this game will find the Roman Empire in space interesting but I did, though I dont want to risk major changes to my invested time long after the game goes live. So I will go for some other MMPRPG since Mythics track record is scary.
True balance can never be achieved unless you restrict the number of players and make all adversaries lookalike and there is always Quake and Unreal Tournament for those encounters. I suspect they would make very poor MMPRPGs <smile>
For the record, I dont play a berzerker nor a shadowblade, I dont play any class nowadays as I retired the chars, waiting for the rvr patch. I hoped it would add some purpose to the rvr endgame as deathmatching and capture the flag games are not enough to justify the rp threadmill that sets in around rr4. Since your rps gains dont scale with the realm rank ladder it became even worse than the pve leveling treadmill as the end goal was much further away. Unfortunately the rvr patch ended up in the backburner.
Come to think of it, how long will the chars remain on the server?
You are quite right here Noita, it is a shame people rarely think further than their noses, or maybe they cant comprehend long sentences and fall back on the flavour of the month postings. To all that failed reading comprehension in school, the question was:
Do you feel happy starting up in a new game developed by Mythic when you know they apply changes to game balance haphazardly, ie you never know which is the "favoured" side when you start up and where significant changes to your invested time can happen even 2 years after you started to play? Remember that this situation can hit you right in the face no matter what realm you play in Doac.
Granted I suspect few in this game will find the Roman Empire in space interesting but I did, though I dont want to risk major changes to my invested time long after the game goes live. So I will go for some other MMPRPG since Mythics track record is scary.
True balance can never be achieved unless you restrict the number of players and make all adversaries lookalike and there is always Quake and Unreal Tournament for those encounters. I suspect they would make very poor MMPRPGs <smile>
For the record, I dont play a berzerker nor a shadowblade, I dont play any class nowadays as I retired the chars, waiting for the rvr patch. I hoped it would add some purpose to the rvr endgame as deathmatching and capture the flag games are not enough to justify the rp threadmill that sets in around rr4. Since your rps gains dont scale with the realm rank ladder it became even worse than the pve leveling treadmill as the end goal was much further away. Unfortunately the rvr patch ended up in the backburner.
Come to think of it, how long will the chars remain on the server?
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Derric
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I respecced to slash.
Anything else on your mind,Mr Bow Of Flames? :>
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kalgarn
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blood diden't used BoF in rvr afaik.del did and a few other hunters.blood used it to pull in malmo
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Solid
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Comes down to a basic level of Mids and hibs saying:
"You have 3 extremely effective, some masy say overpowered classes in the Savage, Bonedancer and Healer, so go play your 3 uber duber fotm classes and to hell with the rest of the gimped classes"
That comment is fine, except soem of us dont much fancy playign a Savage or Bonedancer or Healer, whast the option for us? play one of the lesser classes (admittedly I think Runemasters and Spiritmasters are fine except for the insane magic resists that plague ALL casters)
What of Hunters, Thanes, Skalds, Beserkers, Shamans??? Do all the players of these classes have to sit back and be happy cos Midgard in general has access to Savages and Bonedancers?
Noone can deny the fact that Mythics statement regarding Enchanters is pathetic when cross referenced to the statement regarding pre 1.62 LA and beserkers.
If you wanan nerf and balance in such a heavy handed way, for the love of god, be consistent and dont operate double standards. THAT is what Mythic has done re Zerks/Enchanters and THAT has pissed no end of Mid's off.
"You have 3 extremely effective, some masy say overpowered classes in the Savage, Bonedancer and Healer, so go play your 3 uber duber fotm classes and to hell with the rest of the gimped classes"
That comment is fine, except soem of us dont much fancy playign a Savage or Bonedancer or Healer, whast the option for us? play one of the lesser classes (admittedly I think Runemasters and Spiritmasters are fine except for the insane magic resists that plague ALL casters)
What of Hunters, Thanes, Skalds, Beserkers, Shamans??? Do all the players of these classes have to sit back and be happy cos Midgard in general has access to Savages and Bonedancers?
Noone can deny the fact that Mythics statement regarding Enchanters is pathetic when cross referenced to the statement regarding pre 1.62 LA and beserkers.
If you wanan nerf and balance in such a heavy handed way, for the love of god, be consistent and dont operate double standards. THAT is what Mythic has done re Zerks/Enchanters and THAT has pissed no end of Mid's off.
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If mids who doesnt play a fotm char would help nerf savages etc. Im sure all from alb and hib would say that their classes should get a boost.
But if they get a boost without the nerf on mid fotm's? Then what would happend to alb and hib?
But if they get a boost without the nerf on mid fotm's? Then what would happend to alb and hib?
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kalgarn
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can't be serieus.what if mythic actually nerfs savages,healers,etc (not sure what you all want to get nerfed
) but don't boost the other classes.wich would most likelly happen.what would mids do then?but then you can go back to kill everything with your melee group and farm loads of rp's ofc.good idea fadeh!!!11
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The thread starter hint at some kind of favoritism. Problem is a mana chanter isnt overpowered at the current state the game is in. It is merely viable, other nukers are horribly underpowered. Tanks are the kings of the game, and the king of tanks is the savage. Formerly the king was zerkers due to a bug in LA where they had near double the growth rate they should have cause a silly dev decided that, since we have 60% damage cause of LA we double the growth rate.....
Tests from before that boost shows that DoT was the exact same for bms, mercs and zerkers because of the LA mechanics, perma true haste , always double hit. So where as many of you whine about beeing nerfed, you where merely bug fixed cause of an error that Mythic made early on.
The main issue that zerkers now face is that the overpowered savage outclass them in every way. Several fixes can be made to the savage, where the most extreme one is to make em hybrids and remove cheap RAs.
Also theese classes need a boost: all non mana specced eldritch/chanters, mentalist, theurgists, wizards, cabalists, runemasters, nightshades, shadowblades, all hybrid tanks. (more or less all classes that are denied a spot in a gank group)
With boosts i mean they need a viable role to play in a good group.
Tests from before that boost shows that DoT was the exact same for bms, mercs and zerkers because of the LA mechanics, perma true haste , always double hit. So where as many of you whine about beeing nerfed, you where merely bug fixed cause of an error that Mythic made early on.
The main issue that zerkers now face is that the overpowered savage outclass them in every way. Several fixes can be made to the savage, where the most extreme one is to make em hybrids and remove cheap RAs.
Also theese classes need a boost: all non mana specced eldritch/chanters, mentalist, theurgists, wizards, cabalists, runemasters, nightshades, shadowblades, all hybrid tanks. (more or less all classes that are denied a spot in a gank group)
With boosts i mean they need a viable role to play in a good group.
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kryin
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Number of realms with the /level 30 option in US atm.
Midgard 8
Hibernia 7
Albion 0
Since i dont think Mythic cares to much about realm balance on Europe servers i guess we can't expect to see any more serious nerfs to Midgard classes atm .
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faderullan
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Kalgarn to bring balance they have to change almost all classes in someway. Whats wrong with that?
Hibernia need better end regen. Make it a bard chant or buff as midgård has.
Albion need disease on a class thats used in group.
Mid and hib tanks need to be little better then albion ones but not much. (to counter bof)
alb and mid casters need to be little better then hibernia ones but not much (no counter baod)
Or remove active group ra's and make all classes from the same type with equal strenght.
Group ra's really made it worse to bring balance. Its possible but real hard.
All realms should have a option of fielding a pbae group, tank group and nuking group and all should have about the same chance of winning.
I could list like a million things abuot albion hibernia and midgård that i would change to bring balance. Im sure many more then me have had thaughts. We can never have total balance, but we can get closer than it is atm.
As it is now a well played midgård group is very hard to beat. From what i hear nolby pride is very hard to beat in excalibur for instance.
We all want balance. Without it daoc will die. Maybe not now but in the end.
Hibernia need better end regen. Make it a bard chant or buff as midgård has.
Albion need disease on a class thats used in group.
Mid and hib tanks need to be little better then albion ones but not much. (to counter bof)
alb and mid casters need to be little better then hibernia ones but not much (no counter baod)
Or remove active group ra's and make all classes from the same type with equal strenght.
Group ra's really made it worse to bring balance. Its possible but real hard.
All realms should have a option of fielding a pbae group, tank group and nuking group and all should have about the same chance of winning.
I could list like a million things abuot albion hibernia and midgård that i would change to bring balance. Im sure many more then me have had thaughts. We can never have total balance, but we can get closer than it is atm.
As it is now a well played midgård group is very hard to beat. From what i hear nolby pride is very hard to beat in excalibur for instance.
We all want balance. Without it daoc will die. Maybe not now but in the end.
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I've used the Bow of Flames to XP with. It's effectiveness is rather overrated for RvR.. (but noone cares about that.). I mean, it's a level 25 bow.. (A whole 7.6dps. . Ploinks you for what? 100 damage? Come on.
Been fixed for over a year too, so saviour the thought..
Anyway. It's faintly amusing to see Mythic in one breath admit that the Chanter Mana line is grossly overpowered but will not be changed because it would 'change the nature of the class after two years', and a at the same time whack the overpowered LA line. (Which it needed, true.
Take it how you will, those are the facts.
. Ploinks you for what? 100 damage? Come on. Been fixed for over a year too, so saviour the thought..
Anyway. It's faintly amusing to see Mythic in one breath admit that the Chanter Mana line is grossly overpowered but will not be changed because it would 'change the nature of the class after two years', and a at the same time whack the overpowered LA line. (Which it needed, true.
Take it how you will, those are the facts.