The importance of having ethical standards

[oldtimer]

>"Mana is very powerful spec and it's difficult to alter it's overpowered nature without fundementally changing what the enchanter class has been for almost 2 years, which we definitely dislike doing for any class."

What strikes me as odd is how differently Mythic operates when addressing the "balance" issuew between the realms. When playing a MMORPG you invest a significant amount of time in the game. When you develop a char, no matter what game, you base your decisions (when you found enough data on the net or from fellow gamers...gifv back proper manuals and boxes, top it off by sending the horrid dvd cases to the Canadians) on what the game as is when you stand infront of your trainer etc. From that perspective I understand Mythic's standpoint regarding the Manachanter. (I guess they learnt something from the abyssmal way they gutted the archery classes last year).

So why dont they hesitate in a similar way when it concerns Midgard classes? It is quite obvious that they use double standards in their "design" decisions and that makes me very hesitant to test any other games from them in the future. Their lack of ethical standards would put you in a game world you can never rely on. How do you know you chose the "right" realm, faction, whatever in the next game? Not sure I want to risk my time on a game world where the developer obviously rank their customers depending on the choices they made ingame.

Too bad I kind of liked the idea with the Roman Empire in space.

1) And no I dont take an issue with the actual LA nerf here, this is more about the general treatment regarding different realms, something the name of the game can not justify.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Take away Chanters and what does Hibernia have?

They BALANCED the LA ability and Mids whine like there's no tomorrow when almost EVERYONE knows that it was an overpowered skill.

There are no conspiracies. Mythic does not hate you. You got what was rightfully coming to you. Suck it up and learn to live with not being able to oneshot Casters every 7 minutes.

Heh

 

[Kedaran_Mid]

Indeed Berskers were overpowerd when fully buffed and hitting someone with 35 quick in frenzy mode from behind, unfortunaly, those were the only screens mythic ever got.
I'm not saying they didn't hit hard otherwise, but the damage wasen't extreme enough for this kind of balancing.
I think they could and should have handled it better then they did, right now most of the Berserker and SB comunity feels quite left out.



-K.

 

[kameh]

In melee midgard should hit hard as hell, it's always been shouted by Mythic that it's the melee realm. Seems odd that they then nerf its melee abilities stupid..

 

[aveh]

Originally posted by oldtimer
1) And no I dont take an issue with the actual LA nerf here, this is more about the general treatment regarding different realms, something the name of the game can not justify.

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
They BALANCED the LA ability and Mids whine like there's no tomorrow when almost EVERYONE knows that it was an overpowered skill.

There are no conspiracies. Mythic does not hate you. You got what was rightfully coming to you. Suck it up and learn to live with not being able to oneshot Casters every 7 minutes.

Did you even bother to read his post before replying with your brainless flame?

 

[uncle]

Zerkers were overpowered, and if midguard isnt the melee realm im the king of the world, zerkers still hit hard, u have savages and NO double speccing. And for the melee realm u have some of the nastiest casters around (BD's any1?). So stop moaning about the "nerf", Midgard still has many excellent damage dealers including the zerkers and shadow blades, u just have to learn that chains are there for a reason.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Re: Re: The importance of having ethical standards

Originally posted by aveh
Did you even bother to read his post before replying with your brainless flame?

His post is a whine hidden behind a "This is not a whine" disclaimer.

It's blatantly obvious where this post originates from.

Oh and I wasn't flaming.

 

[ilum]

Originally posted by Kedaran_Mid
Indeed Berskers were overpowerd when fully buffed and hitting someone with 35 quick in frenzy mode from behind, unfortunaly, those were the only screens mythic ever got.
I'm not saying they didn't hit hard otherwise, but the damage wasen't extreme enough for this kind of balancing.
I think they could and should have handled it better then they did, right now most of the Berserker and SB comunity feels quite left out.



-K.

To be honest, I really don't think Mythic balances the game based on screenshots. They got the entire code for the game, they can test and balance the damage themselves. Maybe screenshots can bring a problem to their attention, but its not gonna be the only basis for altering the game...atleast I hope so ;O

You might also want to compare population of Berserkers and Shadowblades to those of Cabalists, Thanes, Blademasters etc and ask if you really shouldnt let others get attention to their whines.

 

[aveh]

Re: Re: Re: The importance of having ethical standards

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
His post is a whine hidden behind a "This is not a whine" disclaimer.

It's blatantly obvious where this post originates from.

Oh and I wasn't flaming.

Nice to see its "your interpretation of what he wrote" as opposed to "what he actually wrote" is what counts.

Besides which, even if he was referring to the LA nerf, his point is still valid. Mythic haven't dared applied a modification to any Alb or Hib class in the same way that they went about the LA nerf. Can you name a single Alb or Hib class that has had its usefulness totally nullified by a single change?

 

[Dook_Pug]

WTF are you babbling about?

So because Zerkers hit for the same damage as their Hib/Alb counterparts they're useless? Typical Mid BS.

What else has happened to Mid that would cause a post like this? AFAIK the LA nerf is the ONLY thing that's happened this past year that can be linked directly to this WHINE.

Zerks hit for reasonable damage now, something most sensible Zerkers attain to, all this silly whining is transparent and rather pointless. Boohoo I'm not overpowered anymore, I'M USELESS!

Oh and to top it all off, you still have Savages. But yea, Mythic hates Midgard.

 

[Cstasy]

Originally posted by kameh
In melee midgard should hit hard as hell, it's always been shouted by Mythic that it's the melee realm. Seems odd that they then nerf its melee abilities stupid..

Always makes me laugh when people post crap like this.

Ahh so whats Albion then ?

 

[Lochlyessa]

Re: Re: Re: Re: The importance of having ethical standards

Originally posted by aveh
Nice to see its "your interpretation of what he wrote" as opposed to "what he actually wrote" is what counts.

Besides which, even if he was referring to the LA nerf, his point is still valid. Mythic haven't dared applied a modification to any Alb or Hib class in the same way that they went about the LA nerf. Can you name a single Alb or Hib class that has had its usefulness totally nullified by a single change?

Smite clerics.

Light elds.

Earth wizards.

Earth theurgists.

Gimme a while and I'll think up some more \o/

 

[ghoul]

lyl, ni sög B<

 

[Bagloor]

Originally posted by Lucias
Ahh so whats Albion then ?

Albion is Mythic's all times cuddly baby.

 

[ghoul]

Originally posted by Bagloor
Albion is Mythic's all times cuddly baby.

lol seriously, get fucking real, and stop posting bullshit like this

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by Bagloor
Albion is Mythic's all times cuddly baby.

That's why we got reavers and necros and Midgård got savages and bonedancers.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Derric
That's why we got reavers and necros and Midgård got savages and bonedancers.

Mythic loves joo uc?

 

[Melachi-]

I dont play a Berserker, but I do play a Shadowblade. The Left Axe nerf was definetly needed, but what happened to the Shadowblade is that it had been balanaced out to Infiltrators and Nightshades with this overpowered Left Axe, now that its on par, all the real Shadowblade problems are obvious.

Its not the Left Axe nerf thats the problem with Shadowblades, its all the other mistakes mythic made with the class and never fixed them because we were content with the uber Left Axe.

Regarding berserkers, i never played a lvl 50 berserker pre or post nerf, so aint got a clue. But i do think they should get Flurry and the Zerk mode ability should not have any Defensive penaltys, and should last 30 seconds, to bring it on par.

I.E. Dirty tricks is very much a defensive ability, but has no ofensive penalties.

Triple wield is a balanced ability, is partially defensive, partially offensive, and has no penalties.

Berserker Frenzy is a offensive ability, that lowers the users AF considerably, also you cannot Evade or Parry, therefore have no reactionaries available. Also lasts 10 seconds less than TW or DT.

[edit] Ohh and i dont care what Mercs say but, Chain and Evade 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studded and Evade 3 :x

 

[ormorof]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
WTF are you babbling about?

So because Zerkers hit for the same damage as their Hib/Alb counterparts they're useless? Typical Mid BS.

what you seem to fail to realise is that zerkers hit that hard because they used slower weapons, now they use slower weps and hit for the same as their alb/hib counterparts even though they hit alot faster

 

[Dook_Pug]

And then they have Bearmode every 7 minutes and STILL 3shot my Druid with 1900 HP, fully SC'd.

And let's not forget Savages.

 

[Cstasy]

Originally posted by ormorof
what you seem to fail to realise is that zerkers hit that hard because they used slower weapons, now they use slower weps and hit for the same as their alb/hib counterparts even though they hit alot faster

Yup the entire reason Zerkers could 1 hit casters was because they used slower weapons, plz get a life and stop talking bollocks.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by ormorof
what you seem to fail to realise is that zerkers hit that hard because they used slower weapons, now they use slower weps and hit for the same as their alb/hib counterparts even though they hit alot faster

What you don't seem to realise is, with a 4.2 spd axe in mainhand, and a 2.4 spd offhand axe, you hit at ~ 3.1 spd or so, every swing.. whilst still having the dps on the 4.2 axe. Next time try looking up LA mechanics before making yourself look like a monkey.

 

[aveh]

Mythic have said that they will not do anything to the Enchanter class because that might affect its playability. Likewise, in several TL responses they have replied that they are absolutely against any sort of %age damage increase to any class that might be underpowered.

Are you starting to understand where people might be questioning the ethics of the LA nerf when the change that they made:
a) Totally nullifies the uniqueness of the zerker class. Savages do it better in every category now.
b) Comes in the form of %age damage reduction, when Mythic is totally against making a similar %age damage increase for classes that may be underpowered.

And Loch. You're talking about specs there, I'm talking about classes, in each of the examples you provided, a respec stone would help the poor nerfee into a much more useful spec. Zerkers can't get a stone that will help them respec into Savages.

 

[Dook_Pug]

So because Savages are overpowered, the Zerker nerf was uncalled for?

Haha.

"Oh no! Savages are overpowered and we're not anymore! It's so unfair!"

 

[old.Noita]

SIGH!

Regardless of any perceived sub-agenda from the original poster this has descended into yet another LA debate to add to the collection - which is a shame.

:sleeping:

 

[aveh]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
So because Savages are overpowered, the Zerker nerf was uncalled for?

Haha.

"Oh no! Savages are overpowered and we're not anymore! It's so unfair!"

Well. Essentially thats true. It's unfair for Mythic to totally replace a class that people have invested time and money on with another class that is better in every respect. And it pushes into further areas of ethics when the new class is from an expansion that you have to purchase, and will require further months' subscriptions and wasted time to bring a savage up to RVR-ability.

An analogy that you might relate to is if Mythic introduced a new class that had every ability that druids have but were more powerful in every regard. Wouldn't you feel slightly pissed off about that?

 

[Dook_Pug]

Ofcourse, but instead of whining about my class being made redundant I'd fight for the superior class to be balanced.

 

[jammin0o]

Originally posted by Lucias

Ahh so whats Albion then ? [/B]

The way i saw it when i joined the game was...

Hib = Magic realm
Mid = Melee Realm
Alb = Everything realm but it is not so good at it

 

[aveh]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
Ofcourse, but instead of whining about my class being made redundant I'd fight for the superior class to be balanced.

It is rare to find someone who would fight to bring in a nerf to their own realm. You must be related to the Midgard RVR TL

 

[Cstasy]

Originally posted by jammin0o
The way i saw it when i joined the game was...

Hib = Magic realm
Mid = Melee Realm
Alb = Everything realm but it is not so good at it

Lol, aha i see, everything is clear to me now..

Albion gets owned in mostly every line, Cc, Pbaoe, etc etc.

Its a fucking joke tbh.