The God thang.

[Belsameth]

Originally posted by --Random--
but belsameth.. there isnt anything science cant explain lol.. theres nothing that religion can explain better than science can.

ok, lets push it a bit then. lets agree that the earth was indeed once a ball of liquid rock which slowly cooled down to become the earth as we knew it.

then where did that liquid ball of stone come from?
Big Bang, I hear you say. great, then where did the material that exploded come from? it was just there? then how did it get there? with everything you put forward I can push a step further back. there's a lot that can be explained, but there's still a lot which can't be explained.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to convince you to believe in a God (one I don't believe in myself) just trying to show you that your blind faith in science is just as unfounded as the faith of a believer in any religion.

 

[Cush]

Let the people that aint strong enough to belive in them self have a god to belive in. No need to batter down on them to be less fortuned.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Cush
Let the people that aint strong enough to belive in them self have a god to belive in. No need to batter down on them to be less fortuned.

lol, if you want to know why the universe exists doesnt mean you aint strong enough to believe in yourself. Having a different view on how the world goes round, doesnt mean you are less fortuned. Just mean you are different, which is actually good as if everyone would think the same way it would be one boring world imo.

 

[-Nuked-]

and also we couldn't post lots on this thread like we have

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by --Random--
but belsameth.. there isnt anything science cant explain lol..

but random, your a moron lol...

ok, we all "know" that the maximum velocity of any object is the speed of light, what happens if a vehicle travels at the speed of light and then you "fire a rocket" or whatever from that vehicle in the direction your heading, how fast is that travelling?


what caused the big bang?

wtf just exploded?


I could prolly dig up some more stuff, that was just off the top of my head

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by Arnor
but random, your a moron lol...

ok, we all "know" that the maximum velocity of any object is the speed of light, what happens if a vehicle travels at the speed of light and then you "fire a rocket" or whatever from that vehicle in the direction your heading, how fast is that travelling?

That's wrong mate, it's possible to travel faster then the speed of light. The speed of light is a limit when travelling in a straight line from one point to another.

Cba to explain the 'theory behind it', but it's still in development creating a theory in which they create human made black holes.

It's estimated that in less then 100 years, we will have the technology and will have in fact travelled to Proxima Centauri using just nuclear fusion in under 8 years total travelling time.

Tbh I think it's a dangerous thing we're letting ourselves in for but there you go If we don't do it, we'd probably end up dead staying on one planet with the rate the human race is destroying it.


As for the big bang theory, whos to say it needed a creator? Saying that theres a God who created it is one explaination yeah but theres no religion that says God created the big bang anyway. They (major religions) say he created Earth which was proven to have been an asteroid a long long time ago, not the big bang. In fact, most refute it completely even though scientists have noticed how the universe is still expanding but the explantion is slowing, all from an epicenter.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by kirennia
That's wrong mate, it's possible to travel faster then the speed of light. The speed of light is a limit when travelling in a straight line from one point to another.

yes, so when you (like I said) travel with something (in a straight line, ok grats) and then launch a rocket in the direction you are heading, what happens then?



and the point of my post is that there are things that science cant (yet) proove.

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by Arnor
yes, so when you (like I said) travel with something (in a straight line, ok grats) and then launch a rocket in the direction you are heading, what happens then?



and the point of my post is that there are things that science cant (yet) proove.

The rocket wont go any faster and would probably end up blowing up the thing it was fired from


Ooh but yeah ofc there are things science hasn't proven yet, the best example is what happens when we die Not exactly sure how they'd explain that one....heh

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by kirennia
The rocket wont go any faster and would probably end up blowing up the thing it was fired from

wouldnt the launching of the rocket slow down the platform where it was launched from and so the rocket would go slightly faster than the platform?

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by Driwen
wouldnt the launching of the rocket slow down the platform where it was launched from and so the rocket would go slightly faster than the platform?

Still wouldnt recommend trying it

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by kirennia
Still wouldnt recommend trying it

I wouldnt see the use of doing it . why fire a missile when you get there just as fast, unless you dont want to get to close (in which case you are slowing down anyway).

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

If I remember this right, the human being cant travel at the speed of light anyway, we would weigh so much that we would crush ourselves.

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by BlitheringIdiot
If I remember this right, the human being cant travel at the speed of light anyway, we would weigh so much that we would crush ourselves.

Cut down on the cheeseburgers imo


In space it's different because there is no resistance outside a spacecraft, so it's just the acceleration which would cause the Gs. Once at a constant speed, it wouldn't matter. Thas why shuttles to the moon etc, the people inside can stand up whilst travelling 1000's of mph, however fast it is but whilst in earths atmosphere they have to travel slowly

 

[Alkoran]

Originally posted by kirennia
Cut down on the cheeseburgers imo


In space it's different because there is no resistance outside a spacecraft, so it's just the acceleration which would cause the Gs. Once at a constant speed, it wouldn't matter

What about gravity, if the mass increase is suffecient you'd implode wouldn't you?

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by kirennia
however fast it is but whilst in earths atmosphere they have to travel slowly

you call the lift of slowly?

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by kirennia
Cut down on the cheeseburgers imo


In space it's different because there is no resistance outside a spacecraft, so it's just the acceleration which would cause the Gs. Once at a constant speed, it wouldn't matter. Thas why shuttles to the moon etc, the people inside can stand up whilst travelling 1000's of mph, however fast it is but whilst in earths atmosphere they have to travel slowly

Trying to remember back to Alevel physics here, so ther eis a teeny tiny chance I could be wrong. But when talknig about speed clos eto that of light, particles masses actually increase, not their weight (although obviously there weight would increase as a result). Its one of those things oru teacher glossed over as she couldnt actualyl explain it to us.

Oh and mines a Chicken Twister Meal.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Arnor
but random, your a moron lol...

ok, we all "know" that the maximum velocity of any object is the speed of light, what happens if a vehicle travels at the speed of light and then you "fire a rocket" or whatever from that vehicle in the direction your heading, how fast is that travelling?

we also knew that the speed of light was a constant. in fact when the figures initially didn't work they kept this and said that time was variable...

and now they notice that light can be slowed.. ooops. time to rewrite the paradigm again.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by kirennia
The rocket wont go any faster and would probably end up blowing up the thing it was fired from


Ooh but yeah ofc there are things science hasn't proven yet, the best example is what happens when we die Not exactly sure how they'd explain that one....heh

Dr Susan Blackmore and others are doing interesting research into what happens to the brain when a person dies, with specific interest in spiritual experiences and near death experiences.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Driwen
wouldnt the launching of the rocket slow down the platform where it was launched from and so the rocket would go slightly faster than the platform?

conventional physics wisdom says that to get an object travelling at the speed of light would require more energy than exists in the whole universe due to the mass increasing to infinate levels when it reaches light speed (or something, I haven't done any physics for over 10 years...) I'd need to get my mate who did his phd on time travel to explain

 

[tris-]

brynn, please answer my Q i am interested to know what u have to say, or i will be forced to pm you oh who ever said about people remembering previous lives on lie detector tests. well stephen hawkins commented on this, and cos his is IQ is neaely 300 i tend to believe him (slightly higher than your average christian ) we r just reliving the future, everything has already happend, its like a spiral. u r best off googling it cos im not clever enough to try explain it all

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by old.yaruar
conventional physics wisdom says that to get an object travelling at the speed of light would require more energy than exists in the whole universe due to the mass increasing to infinate levels when it reaches light speed (or something, I haven't done any physics for over 10 years...) I'd need to get my mate who did his phd on time travel to explain

I was talking about what happens when you actually are traveling at the speed of light not how to get there . Talk to Arnor or Kirennia about how to get there . All I know is that I would rather not talk to much about it as I have a complete lack of knowledge on the physics of this.

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by old.yaruar
we also knew that the speed of light was a constant. in fact when the figures initially didn't work they kept this and said that time was variable...

and now they notice that light can be slowed.. ooops. time to rewrite the paradigm again.

actualy speed of light = speed of light in vacuum and it is constand.

Time does slow down it higher speed, it has been mesured by sending airplanes around the world a couple of times with a decaying isotope on board.
The isotope on the ground had decayed more then the one on board the plane

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by tris-
brynn, please answer my Q i am interested to know what u have to say, or i will be forced to pm you oh who ever said about people remembering previous lives on lie detector tests. well stephen hawkins commented on this, and cos his is IQ is neaely 300 i tend to believe him (slightly higher than your average christian ) we r just reliving the future, everything has already happend, its like a spiral. u r best off googling it cos im not clever enough to try explain it all

stephen hawking is a cosmologist, what would he know about neuro psychology, probably about as much as I know about cosmology

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Sibanac
actualy speed of light = speed of light in vacuum and it is constand.

Time does slow down it higher speed, it has been mesured by sending airplanes around the world a couple of times with a decaying isotope on board.
The isotope on the ground had decayed more then the one on board the plane

I was actually using a rough stick to illustrate the paradigmatic shift model as outlined by the work into the creation of scientific knowledge
I know bugger all about physics, I'm just an expert in the way that the buggers work.

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by old.yaruar
stephen hawking is a cosmologist, what would he know about neuro psychology, probably about as much as I know about cosmology

like i said, google it if u think im talkin that much shit and wont even consider it

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by tris-
brynn, please answer my Q i am interested to know what u have to say, or i will be forced to pm you oh who ever said about people remembering previous lives on lie detector tests. well stephen hawkins commented on this, and cos his is IQ is neaely 300 i tend to believe him (slightly higher than your average christian ) we r just reliving the future, everything has already happend, its like a spiral. u r best off googling it cos im not clever enough to try explain it all

people have also lied thru their teeth in lie detector tests.
Baring that you can beat the lie detector, the Lie detector can only see if a person thinks he is telling the thrut, it doesnt mean it is the thrut.

If i take a 5 year old make sure he doesnt have contact with the outside world and teach him the earth is flat for 20 years he will believe it and if asked so on a lie detector he will tell his thrut (the earth is flat)

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by tris-
like i said, google it if u think im talkin that much shit and wont even consider it

I don't think you are talking shit, I even believe hawking said that (he talks a lot about a lot of things and wildly speculates a great deal too) however the reliving the future argument does not work in relation to the understanding we have of consciousness.

Although one of his theories is that time will stretch and eventually snap back so everything will go in reverse. However common sense makes this very difficult to believe in terms of a model where everythng which happens will happen in reverse.

 

[tris-]

yes u r right, not without our CURRENT understanding of things, but who is to say we wont work out other things in the future and he is actually right. its like with thew bible, back then they couldnt understand what we do now, but now we know more about everything, do u know what i mean?

 

[Ravenbourne]

When I was younger I studied a few religious beliefs, a few old testament stories are repeated in various forms in many cultures myths and religions mainly cataclysmic events such as the great flood, evidence has actually been found of such an event happening. scorch marks have been recording on top of mount Sinai (think that's the spelling) the mountain that mosses was alleged to have received the 10 commandments. These event were more likely to have been natural events, a comet hitting the sea for example would cause huge flooding on a global scale and cause untold damage on our eco system wiping out most of humanity.
In many ways I feel religion is a way of explaining things that are not understood by the knowledge and science that was at hand at the time.

religion has been responsible for many of histories wars and 'evil' events, the crusades where countless innocent people were slaughtered in the name of God, the Spanish inquisition that would torture non believers, the roman games where Christians were thrown to the lions or butchered in gladiatorial contests. Even today in a supposed age of understanding the world imo is on the brink of a huge war due to Islamic fundamentalists who are willing to kill and die for their twisted version of their religion, true Muslims believe in acceptance of other religions and beliefs.

If you want to pray to a God then that is fine but please do not try and ram it down other peoples throats or try and convert them, it wont work.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs as long as they do not harm others or interfere with other peoples lives there shouldn't be a problem

 

[tris-]

bah i wish some religious type would just answer my Q
why is possible god can just exist, without being created. something that is supposed to be perfect and have all this power, yet its totaly unreasonable to think a human could just be here with no creation. surely a mere human has more of a chance to just be here than an almighty god? why do we have to be created and god doesnt when the bible teaches all about creation aswell?