The God thang.

[--Random--]

another thing... brynn reckons non-christians will burn in hell right? so what about the poor buggers out in the middle of the amazon rain forest that havnt even seen a white man before, let alone heard about christianity... thats just plain unfair, isnt it???

 

[Alkoran]

A little more background knowledge wouldn't go a miss Random.

Try to obtain some between now and your next post.

 

[Alkoran]

Originally posted by --Random--
another thing... brynn reckons non-christians will burn in hell right? so what about the poor buggers out in the middle of the amazon rain forest that havnt even seen a white man before, let alone heard about christianity... thats just plain unfair, isnt it???

That's a good point though

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by --Random--
about mary aswell..... is it not more likely that some bird and her husband, jesus, were travelling along through towns bla bla for some unknown reason. then one night mary goes for a piss, and gets gang banged by 12 guys.. she's so ashamed by it she cant face telling her husband the truth of what happened. so she insists its a random virgin birth. then.. word travelled around, people left right and centre hearing of this mysterious 'virgin birth'. then.. some author gets hold of the story.. he's looking to write something that will change the world forever... and what better main character than some bird that claims to have been given her kid from god? so there it begun, this mad old fart wrote a massive book and put all kinds of crap he didnt have a clue about in it.. figuring the easiest way to explain stuff was infact through god. how the hell did the earth come to exist?! aha! i know! theres 7 days in a week....... therefore, he made it in 7 days!!!!!! who were the first people on earth? fuck im crap at names.. something easy to remember, yea! adam and eve!

'fraid the whole OT was written before there was ever any mention of Jesus, or Mary. Still I agree that its mostly stuff made up by people at the time in an attempt to explain things.

 

[-Nuked-]

no 1 says you need to believe these things.

you either do or you don’t.
yes what you say is a possibility, but on the other hand ... what is our purpose in life? do we just turn off when we die ... i cant comprehend just turning off tbh. as much as I try i can't imagine just not being able to think because im dead, not being there any longer and not being anywhere else at the same time... there’s a lot of dodgy shit out there atm we cant fully explain ... like people who claim to remember previous lives! they have put these people on lie detector tests .. and all questions come up as true! is this because what they say is true? or because they are good at telling porkies? or just because what they think they remember is actually bs, but they don’t know why they remember all this stuff if it didn't happen.

you need faith. you do make a point random, and it could be true what you say .. but they again you don’t have the faith required for all this religion stuff! If the stories were easy to believe.

They wouldn't be miracles! and so the person wouldn't be a God

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by -Nuked-
no 1 says you need to believe these things.

Wrong!

Brynn said we needed to believe the bible or we would go to hell. You yourself just said you didnt believe a lot of it, you said the 7 day creation thing was just a story. Im afraid to say in Brynns mind, you're destined for hell.

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by --Random--
another thing... brynn reckons non-christians will burn in hell right? so what about the poor buggers out in the middle of the amazon rain forest that havnt even seen a white man before, let alone heard about christianity... thats just plain unfair, isnt it???

i think they probibly believe in some God of their own. God would see that as good enough, and accept them

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by BlitheringIdiot
Wrong!

Brynn said we needed to believe the bible or we would go to hell. You yourself just said you didnt believe a lot of it, you said the 7 day creation thing was just a story. Im afraid to say in Brynns mind, you're destined for hell.

everyone questions these things at 1 time or another, at the same time as saying "7 days" was just a story (not by craig david ) i still think its true. i do believe it, because i have faith .. i just feel that being a believer is enough to get me into heaven. and if its not and i should go to church etc etc, then tbh maybe heaven isn't the place i want/need to be.

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by -Nuked-
i think they probibly believe in some God of their own.

So they would be non-christian right?

Originally posted by --Random--
another thing... brynn reckons non-christians will burn in hell right?

 

[--Random--]

tbh i honestly think our meaning in life is.. what any creatures meaning of life on the planet is.. just to live. do clams have a meaning of life? do lions have a meaning of life? do bacteria have a meaning of life? we're here.. because we've evolved to fit our environment. theres no real meaning. its like saying, water must have a meaning of life because its there... why should it? its there because its convenient, and the conditions are right for it to be there. same with us, we're only here because the conditions on this planet are right for us to be here.

i cant comprehend ceasing to exist when i die either, as i said in an earlier post, i love the idea of an afterlife.. and half think there may be one. but the logical side of me is just saying... im an animal, im here just because im here, when i die nothing special will happen.

its human nature, and possibly the nature of all living creatures to not accept death.

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by BlitheringIdiot
So they would be non-christian right?

brynn has his religion to defend. he can't say christians and girls who are Blonde Swedish and can flip their legs behind their head all go to heaven but no 1 else!

i do understand why he says it. but i dont believe it! if thats true, Heaven is 1 fucking Empty party.

without proof i refuse to condem myself to 1 set religion and then find out in 60 years time i picked the wrong 1 and can't get into heaven with my green card because of this. by keeping my options open and being a believer, i reckon i have more chance of getting it right. (o, and being good in rl etc)

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by --Random--
tbh i honestly think our meaning in life is.. what any creatures meaning of life on the planet is.. just to live. do clams have a meaning of life? do lions have a meaning of life? do bacteria have a meaning of life? we're here.. because we've evolved to fit our environment. theres no real meaning. its like saying, water must have a meaning of life because its there... why should it? its there because its convenient, and the conditions are right for it to be there. same with us, we're only here because the conditions on this planet are right for us to be here.

i cant comprehend ceasing to exist when i die either, as i said in an earlier post, i love the idea of an afterlife.. and half think there may be one. but the logical side of me is just saying... im an animal, im here just because im here, when i die nothing special will happen.

its human nature, and possibly the nature of all living creatures to not accept death.

well, im not sure EXACTLY what it is i believe. But i think its a test to see what we do with our time when we are here. so when we do die .. we meet our maker and show him we did our best when he wasn't about. That even when he didn't show himself .. we still had faith and belief. that we strived to help our fellow man, all in order to show we were worthy of being in his kingdom.

nothing in life comes free, who says its different in the after life!

maybe, we are paying right now for what we will gain when/if we got into his kingdom

leggy blondes all round

 

[-Nuked-]

pwned, this thread finally made me sit down and decide what it is i believe thanks guys. i never realised i needed to do that. i finally understand my path (sorta )

 

[Brynn]

Sorry i took so long to respond lads (GF comes first )

I like -nuked-

The whole 7 days thing. Wasn't actually in "days" as we see them - it was created before the comprehension of time had come into it. It was in just 7 stages.

 

[Aoami]

Originally posted by Brynn
Sorry i took so long to respond lads (GF comes first )

I like -nuked-

The whole 7 days thing. Wasn't actually in "days" as we see them - it was created before the comprehension of time had come into it. It was in just 7 stages.

If God created light & dark, the sun & the moon, then surely he created time on the 2nd or 3rd day, whichever it was.

 

[Coim-]

This thread has some funky shit in it.

I think some people are taking everything in the bible a little too literally. If you actually think about it, God could have created the world in 7 days. I mean, it doesn't mention how long a day is. A day is a period of time, not once does it mention how long that period is. 1 day could be 100 years for all we know, if you see what I mean. The Adam and Eve thing... well... as with most things in the bible I think it's basically all to do with metaphors. A snake talking to them is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. However, if, instead, you think of the snake as a symbol; human curiosity, perhaps.

That's just my impression of the bible, even though I don't believe in any of it.

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by Aoami
If God created light & dark, the sun & the moon, then surely he created time on the 2nd or 3rd day, whichever it was.

time is for people who need a break every 4 hours worked he is god, he has no use for time

 

[Brynn]

You guys are really cool. You all have nice idea's


/cept random

 

[Brynn]

Hey -nuked- get my pm?

 

[-Nuked-]

read it .. sec

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by Brynn
Sorry i took so long to respond lads (GF comes first )

I like -nuked-

The whole 7 days thing. Wasn't actually in "days" as we see them - it was created before the comprehension of time had come into it. It was in just 7 stages.

No, nuked is saying its a story, completely inaccurate, a metaphor for explaining things. Yet completely, 100%, inacurate.

What you've done is glossed over everything we've said, stuck you're fingers in your ears, sang 'lalalala' and then said "those are nice ideas".

I have no respect for your religious beliefs whatsoever, its clear you havent put much thought into it, and arent prepared to defend them or to even accept that you may have possibly got a bit wrong.

As it stands I'm of pretty much the same belief as Nuked. Except perhaps a bit more extreme, I dont believe the bible has much to do with God, yet I hope Jesus really did exist and I really will try my very best to lead a decent life.

 

[-Nuked-]

its harder to type my answer, just read the stuff i said above.

i believe:

[*]i dont need to go to church to get into heaven
[*]i do need to believe in him/her.
[*]there is not 1 set religion, or right path that gives you the keys to the door.
[*]the bible is not right, but also .. not wrong. just peoples interpretations of events that happened during the time of the person/god (Jesus)
[*]best chance of getting into heaven is to be a believer but not tie myself down to 1 religion.
[*] we are paying now for what we will recieve after we die
[*]Faith is a big part of passing this test that we are set
[*]Adam and Eve were only given names for the benefit of the stories, they may aswell have been A and B.
[*]Being a bastard irl, wont stop you from getting into heaven as long as you're a believer. the fact you made something of yourself in the life you was given, is good enough for God. the same as the people who were good irl, but didn't achieve as much as the guy who stood all over people to get to the top, will also go to heaven. NO 1 SET PATH WILL LEAD TO GOD.
[*] Your sexuality wont stop you from getting into heaven. (Just for Repent)
[*] believing in God but at the same time killing people and doing evil shit, wont get you in. Ending someone elses trial = /dismiss


(i'll add more as i remember)

i think thats most of it pwned. thats my religion! remember these are just my opinions. follow if you like .. but don't say that you're part of my religion, because that will mean i tied myself down. and so have less chance of getting in if im wrong

 

[Conchabar]

lol nuked u say u have faith yet u dont go to church thats such a cop out : p

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by Conchabar
lol nuked u say u have faith yet u dont go to church thats such a cop out : p

i have faith that if i order a pizza from pizza hut it will taste nice, but i dont need to sit in the restaurant to know this


owned

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by Conchabar
lol nuked u say u have faith yet u dont go to church thats such a cop out : p

Not really.

EDIT: lol nice metaphor there nuked, Ive got this weird new found respect for you.

 

[Conchabar]

Originally posted by -Nuked-
i have faith that if i order a pizza from pizza hut it will taste nice, but i dont need to sit in the restaurant to know this


owned

no there is a diffrence.. going to church shows u have faith to get up early etc not going shows ure a lazy bastard : p

+ devotion to ure so called god :x

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by Conchabar
no there is a diffrence.. going to church shows u have faith to get up early etc not going shows ure a lazy bastard : p

+ devotion to ure so called god :x

when I meet my maker, he will decide if I was lazy or not when we see what goals I met and what I did with my life... if he decides that my level of laziness is judges by the amount of times i went to church, then Heaven isn’t the place i want to be. The God I believe there is, isn't a big head who thinks we all need to go worship/pray to him at 10:30 on Sundays, i live 5mins from my local church, I usually cant stay in bed past 9:00 (i get bored) so going to church isn't an issue.. If I felt I needed to go in order to get into heaven. but i dont, so its not a problem besides, getting up at 10:30 is hardly a test! (they also have 12:00 mass)

 

[Coim-]

Who actually goes to church? It's full of old or depressed people.

 

[-Nuked-]

praying to show we do have some level of belief might be needed though .... i figure god doesn't read OT, and im not sure if he has the radio station for each of our brains! so he may not have the paperwork for me when i get up there

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by BlitheringIdiot
Not really.

EDIT: lol nice metaphor there nuked, Ive got this weird new found respect for you.

ok, i gave you 15 minutes ... have you lost it yet?