The God thang.

[Brynn]

yea - created by God you said it yourself

 

[tris-]

u dont get me, if its taught u must be created by someone then why is it silly to think that god must of been created? if he can just be there, then its likely anyone can just be there and then there is no need in a god.

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

So brynn, you dont believe in evolution, the existence of dinosaurs, the scientific evidence of the big bang, the carbon-dating of the turin shroud thingy showing it was only 600yrs old.

Basically science in general... ?

 

[Brynn]

Originally posted by BlitheringIdiot
So brynn, you dont believe in evolution, the existence of dinosaurs, the scientific evidence of the big bang, the carbon-dating of the turin shroud thingy showing it was only 600yrs old.

Basically science in general... ?

If we evolved from monkeys now? why are their still monkeys

Tris- my only response is that God has always been here

 

[tris-]

thats your only responce because u have no idea about an answer to what i said that or u cant agree with it because it would be a sin or summit. just be truthful now (otherwise u r goin to hell), if god can just be then it is possible anything and everything can just be, isnt it? and if that is the case (i think it is) why is there any need in a god. if he can just be, so can we. why does he need to create us if no one needed to create him.

 

[Repent Reloaded]

Originally posted by BlitheringIdiot
Ok well I know the last thread got locked but I didnt get my say and I'm actually seething now, so I really feel I need to post.

Being the posh bastard I am, I was educated in a Private Catholic School (yet not being catholic myself). As such I know a hell of a lot about relgious views. Eventually I came to the conclusion that I would not go to church, read the bible or pray. Yet I still believe I'm a practising Christian, and there are plenty of churches (mostly in the protestant sector) that would agree with me.

So as brynn (who I now find to be the most narrow minded person I have ever 'met') said only chirstians go to heaven, then I'm in the clear!

...Oh wait hang on, some Christian denominations believe that women are a lesser lifeform to men, as are blacks to whites. We did case studies in my school, of churches at the time in America who actually told the church-goers to go out and harras selected females in the community (such as politicians, doctors etc). It got so severe that one commited suicide. They all went to church minimum once a week, prayed twice a day and know the bible inside out.

What Im trying to say, in this rambling, to brynn is, how can you believe in something with such a huge black and white view, when there is probably no other topic on the face of the planet that has more shades of grey?

"that women are lesser lifeforms to men, as are blacks to whites..."

lol, just shows you how much full of SHIT religion is

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by Brynn
If we evolved from monkeys now? why are their still monkeys

Some monkeys moved to areas with less trees, as such they had to learn to walk, it doesnt mean they all instantly learned to walk as a result.

According to the OT, the world was created in 7 days by god around 4404BC. So you dont believe in anything that happened befor ethat. You also believe adam and eve were the first two humans, and that a snake spoke to them?

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Brynn
If we evolved from monkeys now? why are their still monkeys

because when 1 thing evolves, it doesnt mean that 1 thing all over the planet will. one group of monkeys in 1 location evolved spontaneously (sp), the other groups did not. its like insects that evolve to match their environments as their environments change.

e.g. there was a species of moth that used to be white and over time it evolved to be black, because the area it lived it got coverd in soot. if it stayed white it could be easy pray to birds. (this is true btw)

that group of monkeys had a reason to evolve and so they did. its also be proven that every human being is from 1 woman who lived in south africa

 

[Repent Reloaded]

yea, we came from those single cell eniba things, they r still about...

 

[Brynn]

Repent you are one of those emieba

 

[Brynn]

Yep Blith i do believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing

 

[Repent Reloaded]

yeah, I used to be, but so did you.... it was one of the most best times of my life!

 

[tris-]

brynn dont dodge my Q

 

[-Nuked-]

just a few small points you people fail to realise.

1) you speak of the God of the bible, taking examples of his right and wrongly done "things." but fail to recognise not all religions follow the Bible and so not all of them say the Noah story happened

2) who said the God of the Bible is the correct/only God if there is 1.

i see alot of open minded debate atm (which is good coz omg this isn't just spam fest 101) but you're failing to recognise other religions could have the actual Book of the Gods which should be a very valid point as they all say different things about what god is/wants.

3) fuck off repent.

edit: Im a bible boy fyi

 

[Repent Reloaded]

lol

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by Brynn
Yep Blith i do believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing

Ok, Ive been trying to prove that you cant take everything the bible says to be true, by taking insanely stupid things as examples. Apparantly though you still believe those.

How do you get around the contradictions between the OT and the NT and between the 4 gospels?

 

[Repent Reloaded]

.... ye ... yeah, How do you get around the contradictions between the OT and the NT and between the 4 gospels ... man ?!

/stands behind BlitheringIdiot with his arms crossed

 

[Brynn]

What questions and contradictions?

 

[tris-]

how do u skip my Q? just ansrwer it!

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by Brynn
What questions and contradictions?

John and Luke say that judas was hung with his guts cut out. Mark say she commited suicide. Matthew says he trippe dover in a field one day and died.

God told the people of the OT that it was ok to kill someones wife, if he had killed yours: 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'.

Yet jesus in the NT directly quotes an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth (in marks gospel) and says its a wrong.

But God is Jesus, so he accidentally told us to do something, then changed his mind 500years later, did he?

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by tris-
u dont get me, if its taught u must be created by someone then why is it silly to think that god must of been created? if he can just be there, then its likely anyone can just be there and then there is no need in a god.

Thats his question.

 

[-Nuked-]

answer: when he said and eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth ... you took it the wrong way (maybe.)

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

In one of the gospels (cant remember which), there is a story of the feeding of 5000, followed shortly afterwards by the feeding of 3000. The story for both is almost word for word the same. More to the point, in both accounts Jesus' disciples didnt know how thwy were going to feed all these people.

So after they saw Jesus feed 5000 people with pretty much no food, they still didnt know how he would feed 3000 people? Pretty dumb arent they... Make you wonder whyy a God of such ineffable wisdom would choose such stupid people to be his disciples.

 

[--Random--]

Originally posted by Brynn
Yep Blith i do believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing

so.. earth was only created in 4404bc? so..... where exactly did all the dinosaur bones we've dug up and dated to millions of years old come from? did god put them there? to make us further disbeleive his existence? some say god works in mysterious ways, more like god works in plain fucking stupid ways.

so... ok, god created OUR earth in 7 days... what about our solar system? what about the other planets neighbouring ours? do they have they're own gods? or did he create them aswell?

the thing was.. when the bible was made up, people didnt realise there were other planets out there, they didnt realise there are other galaxies out there, that there is infact an entire universe out there with more stars than every grain of sand on every beach in the world. so.... are you saying god created the entire universe? or just our planet?

i dont seem to remember anything being said about the galaxy or universe in the bible.. that wouldnt be because they didnt know anything about it would it? you cant deny the existence of the universe, we know its there for a fact now, we've seen it with our own eyes.

get out of THAT one.

omfg i've just totally proven all religion wrong, nobel prize pls.

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

You havent proven religion wrong

I still believe in god, I just think that the bible, and most people who claim to be wonderful relgious people, are full of crap.

 

[--Random--]

i've proven the bible wrong then, thats still enough for a nobel prize imho

 

[-Nuked-]

i'll say it again


The Bible isn't necessarily the correct religion that will show the path to a richer life. The people who wrote the stories (supposable) are only human and could have made mistakes. These are stories from people’s events with Jesus; it may have 1 or 2 of the same stories. in different sections.

who knows ... maybe the dreaded Jehovah’s Witnesses may be the 1's with the right religion! if they do, then God help us all. (a new God that is)

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

Originally posted by -Nuked-
The Bible isn't necessarily the correct religion that will show the path to a richer life. The people who wrote the stories (supposable) are only human and could have made mistakes. These are stories from people’s events with Jesus; it may have 1 or 2 of the same stories. in different sections.

This ponit of view I can understand, its fairly similar to mine. The bible is wron gin many places but the message it delivers is still accurate and damn important.

Yet brynn isnt saying that, he is saying that literally everything in the bible is 100% accurate (even the grammatical errors). Which i really really cant understand.

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by --Random--
so.. earth was only created in 4404bc? so..... where exactly did all the dinosaur bones we've dug up and dated to millions of years old come from? did god put them there? to make us further disbeleive his existence? some say god works in mysterious ways, more like god works in plain fucking stupid ways.

so... ok, god created OUR earth in 7 days... what about our solar system? what about the other planets neighbouring ours? do they have they're own gods? or did he create them aswell?

the thing was.. when the bible was made up, people didnt realise there were other planets out there, they didnt realise there are other galaxies out there, that there is infact an entire universe out there with more stars than every grain of sand on every beach in the world. so.... are you saying god created the entire universe? or just our planet?

i dont seem to remember anything being said about the galaxy or universe in the bible.. that wouldnt be because they didnt know anything about it would it? you cant deny the existence of the universe, we know its there for a fact now, we've seen it with our own eyes.

get out of THAT one.

omfg i've just totally proven all religion wrong, nobel prize pls.

check the bible... when it says, "god created the earth in 7 days" or whatever, its being told as a story .... you go tell some deciples in the year 4404bc about the universe and see how fucking far you get without them giving you the

if the 7 day story is 1 that Jesus told i very much doubt that God would give him that sort of information when putting him inside Mary! its not needed.

 

[--Random--]

about mary aswell..... is it not more likely that some bird and her husband, jesus, were travelling along through towns bla bla for some unknown reason. then one night mary goes for a piss, and gets gang banged by 12 guys.. she's so ashamed by it she cant face telling her husband the truth of what happened. so she insists its a random virgin birth. then.. word travelled around, people left right and centre hearing of this mysterious 'virgin birth'. then.. some author gets hold of the story.. he's looking to write something that will change the world forever... and what better main character than some bird that claims to have been given her kid from god? so there it begun, this mad old fart wrote a massive book and put all kinds of crap he didnt have a clue about in it.. figuring the easiest way to explain stuff was infact through god. how the hell did the earth come to exist?! aha! i know! theres 7 days in a week....... therefore, he made it in 7 days!!!!!! who were the first people on earth? fuck im crap at names.. something easy to remember, yea! adam and eve!