Politics The General Election 2015

[Scouse]

I'd definitely say you were an apologist, the biggest one I know, frankly.

That's OK. I'd definitely say you were simplistic and prejudiced, so I guess we're even.

 

[Ormorof]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and all that bollox

Its refreshing to see a politician who actually believes in things rather than just analyzing what the pollsters say he should be believing and spouting that to get elected

I wouldnt vote for him but i couldnt vote when i lived in UK being a dirty foreigner and all anyhoo

(Oh and the IRA are/were mostly a bunch of gangsters and thugs but if you look at British military and policing in region im surprised they werent much worse tbh)

 

[Talivar]

The IRA methods are not good but is their initial intention really that bad? To be free of what they perceived to be their oppressors

 

[Ormorof]

Well its the 100 year anniversary of the 1916 rising so expect a big party in dublin this easter

 

[Raven]

Isn't the building that it all kicked off in a pub now too? That should be a great night out.

 

[Bodhi]

That's OK. I'd definitely say you were simplistic and prejudiced, so I guess we're even.

That's nice dear. You're also wrong - http://order-order.com/2016/01/06/mcfadden-sacked-for-saying-west-not-to-blame-for-paris-attacks/

 

[Scouse]

That's nice dear. You're also wrong - http://order-order.com/2016/01/06/mcfadden-sacked-for-saying-west-not-to-blame-for-paris-attacks/

From your article:

So, according to McFadden at least,

...

 

[Wij]

It was a veiled criticism of Stop The War and thereby Jeremy Corbyn who won't distance himself from STWC when even long-time pacifists and lefties like Peter Tatchell say they are wrong.

 

[Scouse]

It was a veiled criticism of Stop The War and thereby Jeremy Corbyn who won't distance himself from STWC when even long-time pacifists and lefties like Peter Tatchell say they are wrong.

Labour are saying it was serial offending.

But even so, meh. I'm struggling to give a fuck. I watched the debate yesterday on universal credit. That's much more of an issue than a minor reshuffle of the opposition...

 

[Wij]

Super-super-cereal!

 

[Wij]

It's worth juxtaposing these two things a few times though:

Ken Livingstone.

Defence Review.

Ken Livingstone.

Defence Review.

Ken Livingstone.

Defence Review.

As if by magic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35251427

 

[Raven]

I do find it cute that labour are debating such things in full knowledge that it makes no difference, they will never be in power in their current set up.

 

[Wij]

Also today this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35250344

(STWC would rather we stop saying anything that might offend like cartoons so obviously do. It's all our fault. Rape of Yazidi girls is also the West's fault and Assad is fine etc...)

 

[Scouse]

Also today this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35250344

Yeah. But I like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35242876




Oh, and @Raven:

I do find it cute that labour are debating such things in full knowledge that it makes no difference, they will never be in power in their current set up.

Spoiler

Beendun, I know. But you've gotta be saying that stuff like, eight times a day, or something...

 

[Wij]

Yeah. But I like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35242876

[/spoiler]

I'm surprised the Student's Union at Oxford hasn't tried to ban it all as potentially distressing to their students' precious feelings and a violation of their safe-spaces

 

[DaGaffer]

The IRA methods are not good but is their initial intention really that bad? To be free of what they perceived to be their oppressors

Which IRA? The original IRA or the Provos? The former...OK, (although not a free pass by any means), the latter, no..scumbags who basically devolved into a extortion gang.

Well its the 100 year anniversary of the 1916 rising so expect a big party in dublin this easter

Oh you can imagine how much I'm looking forward to Easter.

 

[Talivar]

I only mean the original and as you say it still doesn't excuse the methods used

 

[Scouse]

I only mean the original and as you say it still doesn't excuse the methods used

Does it excuse the ANC's methods?

*devilsadvocate*

 

[Talivar]

Doesnt excuse anyone's methods but the reality is, if people didnt take other peoples land then there would be a much smaller chance of those people doing extreme things to you in retaliation (said very small instead of none as there is always a small minority with an axe to grind, real or imagined)
Its all Cause and Effect

 

[Raven]

Does it excuse the ANC's methods?

*devilsadvocate*

No. Terrorist scumbags. Nobody should ever wage a war against the public.

 

[Scouse]

No. Terrorist scumbags. Nobody should ever wage a war against the public.

You could easily argue that without it then apartheid would probably still be in force.

Terrorism works. Without the atrocities in SA I don't think the eyes of the world would have been focussed there quite so hard.

I remember reading an article in New Scientist (which I can't find) where some bloke had done the work and found that only when there was a threat of violence do governments really take notice and that peaceful protest rarely works.

 

[Wij]

Doesnt excuse anyone's methods but the reality is, if people didnt take other peoples land then there would be a much smaller chance of those people doing extreme things to you in retaliation (said very small instead of none as there is always a small minority with an axe to grind, real or imagined)
Its all Cause and Effect

Let's cast out the Normans!

 

[Talivar]

You start !!!

 

[Raven]

You could easily argue that without it then apartheid would probably still be in force.

Terrorism works. Without the atrocities in SA I don't think the eyes of the world would have been focussed there quite so hard.

I remember reading an article in New Scientist (which I can't find) where some bloke had done the work and found that only when there was a threat of violence do governments really take notice and that peaceful protest rarely works.

Violence against the state or military can be justified in certain situations but not against people trying to buy a newspaper and a tin of cat food.

 

[Scouse]

Violence against the state or military can be justified in certain situations but not against people trying to buy a newspaper and a tin of cat food.

I'd agree with you but it's the violence against the public that creates the most terror...

...hence terrorism.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah. But I like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35242876




Oh, and @Raven:

Spoiler

Beendun, I know. But you've gotta be saying that stuff like, eight times a day, or something...

Alanis Morisette wants a word, she's working on lyrics for a new song and wants some inspiration.

 

[DaGaffer]

Violence against the state or military can be justified in certain situations but not against people trying to buy a newspaper and a tin of cat food.

Course not

 

[Scouse]

Alanis Morisette wants a word, she's working on lyrics for a new song and wants some inspiration.

And sitting on my cock will help her?

Any hole's a goal I guess. Give her my number...

 

[Raven]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35281203

Another day, another resignation.

Great stuff

 

[Bodhi]

So this morning Corbachev has been on the Andrew Marr show and suggested:

- We keep the Trident submarines so we can keep the workforce, but don't put any warheads in them.
- We reach an agreement with Argentina over the Falklands. You know, the Falklands which recently overwhelmingly voted to remain part of the UK?
- ISIS may have some good points, so we should open dialogue with them. O....K....

I can see all 3 of those being popular with the electorate!