Politics The General Election 2015

Who will you vote for?!

  • Green Party

    Votes: 7 11.1%
  • Monster Raving Loony Party

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 21 33.3%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 6 9.5%
  • United Kingdom Independence Party

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • British National Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Liberal Democrats Party

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • None

    Votes: 10 15.9%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 7.9%

  • Total voters
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Raven

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A group with several Tories, but not policy makers :)
 

Scouse

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A group with several Tories, but not policy makers :)
It's steeped in tory MP's and is designed as a policy making group for the tory party. It's effectively an unelected wing of the party that can float any ideas without the party having to take any flack for it and its research is pumped directly into the party.

It's also quite heavily linked with the Tea Party IIRC.

Tory through and through.

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The TaxPayers' Alliance is not officially affiliated with any political party. It has been accused of being a Conservative Party "front" by Labour MP Jon Cruddas.[4] Polly Toynbee in The Guardian and Kevin Maguire in The Daily Mirror have also levelled this charge,[11][12] although the group's leadership has denied it.[13] All three founders, and a number of TPA staff members have associations with the Conservative Party and have strong links with the Freedom Association.[14][15][16]

When Nick Ferrari asked TPA's campaign manager Susie Squire whether she was "secretly Conservative", she rejected the accusation as "outrageous" saying the organisation was "totally independent".[17] In 2010, Squire became a special adviser to the Conservative Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Iain Duncan Smith.
 

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The pressure is building about the upcoming tax credit cuts, even the conservative loving SUN paper is against it.
 

Raven

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Well they would be with the common or garden Sun reader :)
 

Scouse

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George Osbourne's said "we are the party of Labour".


I'd fucking say so. They want this off us:
Jeremy Hunt said:
We have to proceed with these tax-credit changes because they are a very important cultural signal. My wife is Chinese. ... are we going to be a country which is prepared to work hard in the way that Asian economies are prepared to work hard, in the way that Americans are prepared to work hard? And that is about creating a culture where work is at the heart of our success.

So the cuntservatives want to turn us into chinese slaves with a mix of american low wage long hour insecurity. No matter that we already work some of the longest hours in the world - they want to whip us harder for the benefit of shareholders.
 

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Doubt that will ever happen, seems to me millions decided a monster(to the working/lower classes atleast) is better than an idiot without thinking what damage a monster is actually capable of
 

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CorbyniteManeuver.jpg
 

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Jeremy hunt needs shooting. His ideas would create utter mayhem.

On top pf everything else his NHS reform program he started is designed to destroy rather than improve.
 

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Why do you think they're doing it?

It's so they can break it then turn around and say "it doesn't work!!!!! - we need to privatise it!!!!".

Sigh.
 

Talivar

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Predictions on todays Tax Cuts motion? Do you think the House of Lords will step in?
 

Raven

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I think they will and in doing so set a dangerous precedent. An un-elected body dictating tax policy.

That's not to say it shouldn't be thrown out, its clearly stupid but it should be done in the correct way.
 

Talivar

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Agreed but do you think it would be done in the correct way if it wasnt thrown out today?
 

Scouse

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...dangerous precedent. An un-elected body dictating tax policy.
It's not tax policy - it was specifically ruled out by the conservatives before the election (a blatant lie) - so there's no mandate for this random policy, and it's being introduced by a statutory instrument - which have been struck down by the lords on a number of occasions before. So no precedent being set either.

TBH - I'd have more sympathy for your point of view if the conservatives hadn't been so fraudulent in their manifesto and campaigning - but they're due a slap in the face.
 

Talivar

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Well this is going to be interesting, how will the Gov respond to the decison?
 

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One party implodes while the other ruins the country for everyone that is not already comfortable. Great times indeed
 

DaGaffer

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...and Labour continue to implode.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34840708

I hope they leave crashing and burning for at least 3-4 years, we want this shower of piss leading labour into the next general election if possible.

Jeremy Corbyn may just become the most "quoted-out-of-context" politician in British history. Saying you're "not happy" about a shoot to kill policy isn't the same as saying you wouldn't sanction it. No one should be happy about it! Problem with Corbyn is that he keeps to talking to journalists in actual sentences rather than crafted soundbites; that's why he's doomed.
 

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I like his principles and think he is NEEDED in politics as part of a balanced set of views.
 

Raven

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One party implodes while the other ruins the country for everyone that is not already comfortable. Great times indeed

Yet here we are coming out of recession with some of the lowest unemployment for years.

Yes there are problems...but when hasn't there been...at least now there is the opportunity to get on if you want it.
 

DaGaffer

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Yet here we are coming out of recession with some of the lowest unemployment for years.

Yes there are problems...but when hasn't there been...at least now there is the opportunity to get on if you want it.

Depends on your definition of "unemployment". Zero hour contracts, unpaid internships and outsourced disability screening don't exactly scream "good times".

Don't get me wrong; I think Corbyn would probably be a disaster if he got anywhere near power, but that doesn't mean the Tories are any definition of good for the UK. They're likely to be a disaster too, just in different ways.
 

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People on the TV and internet keep telling me how things are getting better but that does not match at all with what i see and experience every day. So either i live in the most unlucky town in the UK or the Tories are telling a few porky pies
 

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I know its not a scientific study or anything but I don't know a single person out or work, on a zero hour contract or an intern. I know plenty of people that were out of work under labour though.

Internships suck indeed but if a million and one people with a degree in media going for a couple of hundred places in the industry then that industry will take advantage of that, specific jobs are oversubscribed. Zero hours contracts can also be bad but there is plenty of work out there that doesn't involve them, bags of jobs, also they actually suit some people.
There are more apprentices nowadays, we have a few at work, some have just been promoted to full time staff members, mechanical and electrical engineers mostly. The trouble is we still have the legacy of everyone being told they can do whatever they want. There are industries screaming out for people not only qualified in something useful but willing and able to do it. What we have is thousands of idiots with a degree in media or sociology or something equally useless trying to get a handful of jobs.
 

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Well my experience is the opposite, i know many more people now out of work than before. I personally have had to fight for my job now in restructures every year for last 3-4 years. In the first restructure i lost my job and then found another and within months was back in consultation as that service as well headed for a restructure. Maybe our opposite views are because i am public sector and you are private sector. Both of us live in the more northern parts of the country i think aswell?
 

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Also as i have stated in the past, being public sector for me and millions like me is not the easy ride many seem to think it is. We dont get paid more, we dont always work less ect ect. Maybe its like that when you get really high up but it certainly isnt like that on the frontline.
 

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You get paid pretty much the same, you have enjoyed massively more benefits over the years though, better pensions, more perks, more holiday and certainly if the figures are believed, more leniency on sick days.

You have no real financial targets to meet, if you don't perform then nobody actually cares, they just throw more money at it. If we don't perform our business goes under.

The public sector was a massive, sweating, over staffed waste of money that was never going to last forever. It still is in many places it still is. It may sound harsh and it is nothing personal. I am yet to have any dealing with the public sector where I didn't have to speak to several people in a line to get it resolved, they seem to employ people with the sole purpose of dragging everything out.
 

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I worked for the Public Sector about 10 years ago, doing an admin job for one of the 17 local councils we have.

Far and away the easiest job I've ever done. Ridiculously overstaffed, no pressure to get anything done whatsoever, lots of mind numbing tasks that could easily have been automated. From the people I know still there, not much has changed.
 

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The Public Services you both speak about seem to be Council Offices and the endless Admin/Management systems, NOT the front line public sector jobs. There is no way in the world my job could be classed as easy and there is no way in the world people can claim there is no pressure to perform because as i have stated we are in a restructure every year and the services are evaluated on how well they are doing. My pay is low, my job is extremely stressful and touches upon areas i am confident many would struggle to work with. When we talk about pressure i challenge anyone not to feel extreme pressure when you are trying to find solid evidence needed to prove the child you are working with is being sexually abused, or the pressure you feel when you then have to spend weeks in court being shouted at and cross examined, all because you are trying to save that child and her parents just so happen to be rich enough to pay for a good defense lawyer. When you have to sit in a room and make that agonizing vote to give the Social Worker the agreement needed to take away a child from its parents. What about when you are trying to help the single parent to manage their children only to find the reason they are struggling is because for the last 10 years they have been beaten and raped over and over again by an abusive partner. The list is endless and i am sure many of the public sector uniformed services would also have examples just as stressful.
Yet despite all of this we told ah well get over it, you had it easy too long!
 

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