Politics The General Election 2015

[Calaen]

Do eating habits mean that much?

It's no different to UKIP being in charge of immigration

 

[Job]

He refused to sing the national anthem at the Battle of Britain show, who the fuck does he think he is, this ideological wankoff is so far out of touch with the public, who the hell does he think votes for Labour, an army of Trotskies?
He won't last a month the way he is going, he is being exposed as a Liberal intellectual who's obsession with the facts completely removes him from knowing anything about the reality.

 

[Gwadien]

He refused to sing the national anthem at the Battle of Britain show, who the fuck does he think he is, this ideological wankoff is so far out of touch with the public, who the hell does he think votes for Labour, an army of Trotskies?
He won't last a month the way he is going, he is being exposed as a Liberal intellectual who's obsession with the facts completely removes him from knowing anything about the reality.

Who? Skinner or Corbyn?

They're both Republicans.

I'd say the country is split 25/25/50 in the case of the monarchy 'do you like them?' 25 saying yes 25 saying no and 50 not giving much of a fuck.

Just because it doesn't sit with your inward looking 19th century nationalistic views

The National Anthem is a song which glorifies the monarchy, if you sang Rule, Britannia on the other hand...

 

[DaGaffer]

Who? Skinner or Corbyn?

They're both Republicans.

I'd say the country is split 25/25/50 in the case of the monarchy 'do you like them?' 25 saying yes 25 saying no and 50 not giving much of a fuck.

Just because it doesn't sit with your inward looking 19th century nationalistic views

The National Anthem is a song which glorifies the monarchy, if you sang Rule, Britannia on the other hand...

Not actually the point. I'm a republican too, but if I'm representing my Party at an official event where the national anthem is sung, I'm singing the national anthem. My personal views on the content of said national anthem are irrelevant (I also think its an objectively terrible tune and song, and that too is besides the point), you sing it because it represents the country, the one that you'd like to run one day.

 

[Gwadien]

Not actually the point. I'm a republican too, but if I'm representing my Party at an official event where the national anthem is sung, I'm singing the national anthem. My personal views on the content of said national anthem are irrelevant (I also think its an objectively terrible tune and song, and that too is besides the point), you sing it because it represents the country, the one that you'd like to run one day.

Depends on your principles.

Jeremy Corbyn stuck to his guns, and not bending to party rules in order to not upset people.

We live in a time where we're fully aware politicians lie through their teeth to achieve what they want to achieve, and we all agree that this is a bad thing.

Then we get upset when they stick to their principles?

 

[DaGaffer]

Depends on your principles.

Jeremy Corbyn stuck to his guns, and not bending to party rules in order to not upset people.

We live in a time where we're fully aware politicians lie through their teeth to achieve what they want to achieve, and we all agree that this is a bad thing.

Then we get upset when they stick to their principles?

His principles in this case are irrelevant. He's not there as Jeremy Corbyn MP, he's there as Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of The Opposition. Rules of expectation are different.

 

[Gwadien]

His principles in this case are irrelevant. He's not there as Jeremy Corbyn MP, he's there as Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of The Opposition. Rules of expectation are different.

I'm sure people would have said 'LOL LOOK AT JEREMY CORBYN THE WEAKLING, MEANT TO BE A REPUBLICAN, SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM ABOUT THE QUEEN LOLOLOL'

 

[DaGaffer]

Maybe, but he's not playing to his Socialist Worker mates any more, he has an electorate to convince.

 

[Gwadien]

Maybe, but he's not playing to his Socialist Worker mates any more, he has an electorate to convince.

How about we go back to the good old days where political parties actually had an agenda to pursue.

Rather than getting as close to the middle ground without actually getting your phallus stuck up the other parties rectum to win voters?

 

[DaGaffer]

How about we go back to the good old days where political parties actually had an agenda to pursue.

Rather than getting as close to the middle ground without actually getting your phallus stuck up the other parties rectum to win voters?

Nothing wrong with having an agenda, but abolition of the monarchy isn't on his party's manifesto, and he's acting as the representative of his party.

 

[Gwadien]

@Zarjazz agrees with me

So therefore you're wrong.

 

[DaGaffer]

@Zarjazz agrees with me

So therefore you're wrong.

I'm never wrong. That's unpossible.

 

[Zarjazz]

@Zarjazz agrees with me

So therefore you're wrong.

I wish the people at work understood this. It would certainly simplify arguments.

 

[Job]

I appreciate a change in politics, but this prick is acting like a spoilt kid at the college union disco, you play the game and then convince people of your arguments.
You don't knock on someone's door. tell him is wife is ugly , then ask him if he want's to buy a hoover.
As I have said, I remember the militant Labour and I Also remember what a gang of shitehouses they were when the shit hit the fan.
The councillers who were personally fined for Liverpool council going broke, one was in our work, we had a whip around to the tune of 30 grand to pay off his debt, I gave 100 quid myself, the fucker never even said thanks, he really didn't, then 3 weeks later the hard faced twat turned up in a brand new car to work.
When I said I gave 100 quid, basically the hard bastards went around practically demanding it, they employed rent a gangster to visit every exchange and pointing out who didn't pay.
They are a bunch of anti wealth fucknuts , because they haven't got it.

 

[Gwadien]

I appreciate a change in politics, but this prick is acting like a spoilt kid at the college union disco, you play the game and then convince people of your arguments.
You don't knock on someone's door. tell him is wife is ugly , then ask him if he want's to buy a hoover.
As I have said, I remember the militant Labour and I Also remember what a gang of shitehouses they were when the shit hit the fan.
The councillers who were personally fined for Liverpool council going broke, one was in our work, we had a whip around to the tune of 30 grand to pay off his debt, I gave 100 quid myself, the fucker never even said thanks, he really didn't, then 3 weeks later the hard faced twat turned up in a brand new car to work.
When I said I gave 100 quid, basically the hard bastards went around practically demanding it, they employed rent a gangster to visit every exchange and pointing out who didn't pay.
They are a bunch of anti wealth fucknuts , because they haven't got it.

Dunno, atleast he's picking real issues.

As opposed to picking on a minority and blaming them for everything.

 

[Bodhi]

Dunno, atleast he's picking real issues.

As opposed to picking on a minority and blaming them for everything.

But isn't he effectively blaming all of the countries woes on rich people and bankers? Which, last time I checked, were quite a small section of society? A minority if you will.

 

[Scouse]

He refused to sing the national anthem

You wouldn't catch me singing god save the queen either.

Sky Fairy save the Privileged by Birth?

 

[Moriath]

No. I expect him to understand the realities of the situation.

It was clearly horrible on *both* sides of the equation...

Actually - I think he understands that perfectly but doesn't give a fuck because to give a fuck means he'd have to change his politics and ideologies...

Ithink the tories took stock of what they had and have done a fine job. Mostly

 

[Moriath]

Abbot.

"White people divide and conquer"

Diane always has been. Very much woe the poor black person.

 

[Moriath]

It's a disaster, we might end up with 10 years of Tory rule, which even I think can only lead to John Major-style complacency and nepotism. On the plus side, I'm sure UKIP will get some votes from that lefty retard Corbyn.

Like the over ten years of labour. And brown wasnt complacent? its the same again. And corbyn is a nice change to shake up the regulars.

 

[Moriath]

Dunno, atleast he's picking real issues.

As opposed to picking on a minority and blaming them for everything.

Like a monarchy yes or no is a real issue that he seems to have sparked

 

[Moriath]

You wouldn't catch me singing god save the queen either.

Sky Fairy save the Privileged by Birth?

I wouldnt sing it but im not a representative of her maj government.

 

[dysfunction]

Multi quote anyone?

 

[Scouse]

I wouldnt sing it but im not a representative of her maj government.

Being a member of a democratic government in no way obligates you to support the status quo.

It would be hypocritical of a republican to sing god save the queen. He stood there in respectful silence - as opposed to loudly booing - which would have represented his perfectly legitimately held opinion more clearly.

Those who are complaining about his non-action are supporters of the monarchy and are being intellectually dishonest in their attempts to link the democratic freedom to hold a different opinion on the makeup of our country to a hatred of the UK.

 

[DaGaffer]

Being a member of a democratic government in no way obligates you to support the status quo.

It would be hypocritical of a republican to sing god save the queen. He stood there in respectful silence - as opposed to loudly booing - which would have represented his perfectly legitimately held opinion more clearly.

Those who are complaining about his non-action are supporters of the monarchy and are being intellectually dishonest in their attempts to link the democratic freedom to hold a different opinion on the makeup of our country to a hatred of the UK.

As Leader of the opposition you have an obligation to reflect the agreed policies and manifesto promises of your party. You are not representing yourself, you're representing your party. And the Labour Party doesn't currently have a republican policy.

And to answer your final line, I'm not a supporter of the monarchy and never have been.

And if nothing else the sloppy cunt could have buttoned his shirt and tie up properly.

 

[Gwadien]

Like a monarchy yes or no is a real issue that he seems to have sparked

He said prior to running, he doesn't want the monarchy. But its not am issue now

 

[Scouse]

Don't think he could win tbh. If he was singing the papers would be all over him for being a hypocrite - and a the moment the "integrity" tag is his most valuable asset. Instead, the papers look like schoolyard children if not quite bullying definitely larking about and picking on the guy for not singing - something that is such a non-event.

(Edit) Also - he has to represent Labour policy through his voting and campaigning - that doesn't mean that his every action has to be conformist.

And if nothing else the sloppy cunt could have buttoned his shirt and tie up properly.

Fashion Nazi.

 

[DaGaffer]

Lots of National Anthems have questionable lyrics, they were mostly written in the 18th and 19th centuries. I've always had an issue with our National Anthem, both for the monarchist lyrics and the God bits, and because its a fucking dirge, but its also, for good or ill, our national anthem, used when representing the country, so when the occasion arises to sing it, I sing it, and the vast majority of the British public, who Corbyn has to convince to vote Labour, also sing it, and by and large get irritated when it's slighted. As a country we have surprisingly few nationalist trappings (we're nowhere near as unthinkingly patriotic as other countries), so the ones we do have take on extra importance, especially for the English, who don't even get to have their own anthem at sporting events.

FWIW the Americans and French both have infinitely better national anthems than us. Watching the French belting out The Marseillaise at Parc-des-Princes genuinely stirs the blood, which is what a national anthem is supposed to do, not put you to sleep.

 

[Scouse]

For the most part I agree with you there @DaGaffer - but I think Corbyn has more to lose than to gain by singing it.



Edit: The fact that they were written in the 18th century is more reason to change it tbh. Progressive, anyone?

 

[DaGaffer]

For the most part I agree with you there @DaGaffer - but I think Corbyn has more to lose than to gain by singing it.



Edit: The fact that they were written in the 18th century is more reason to change it tbh. Progressive, anyone?

I'd get rid of it today if we could.