Politics The General Election 2015

[Ormorof]

If the tories have a majority how would labour form a government?

 

[Mabs]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-simon-duffy/general-election-2015_b_7124468.html

 

[Gwadien]

Why would it be unbelievable if there were a Labour Government?

As someone said the other day just cos the Tories are doing good in the economy doesn't mean it reflects that in peoples lives and Labour are offering that.

Frankly to use that under Blair they ruined the country is a poor argument, assess them on what they want to offer, and frankly they seem to be being more 'for the people' believe it or not, there are still people that are struggling out there that can't climb the greasy poll and need a party that will benefit them a bit, much like voting Tories will benefit you.

A SNP-Labour minority government would be more representative then the proposed Tory majority anyway.

Although a Labour coalition won't happen anyway aparrently.

Did anyone notice on that Question Time that when Cameron was asked about a coalition he said it isn't happening then the subject was changed when it was Milliband they tried to force him to say hes gonna go into a coalition with the SNP and they didn't let it go?

Its almost as if it's a part of the Tory manifesto

'Get loyal Tories to get Milliband to admit chance of coalition'

 

[Raven]

Just because Millibland has ruled it out, doesn't mean it won't happen. He will do absolutely anything to be in power, promise anything regardless of whether he intends to carry it out or has the resources to carry it out.

Likewise, the SNP.

 

[Hawkwind]

Just because Millibland has ruled it out, doesn't mean it won't happen. He will do absolutely anything to be in power, promise anything regardless of whether he intends to carry it out or has the resources to carry it out.

Likewise, the SNP.

Totally agree, Labour at some point will want SNP votes to push through legislation that matters to them, it will cost! That is exactly how it works. Regardless of of how the Millipedo wants it, they will have to compromise at some point or stand by their principles (chuckles) and give up being government.

 

[Scouse]

Predictions for a Tory majority, but a Labour minority government, just fuckin unbelievable.

Why so unbelieveable?

More people will be voting for parties that explicitly say 'not tories' than not.

Get used to politics being more complex - it's come about because both labour and conservative governments have failed us for the past half century and peolle have had enough.

I'm not enamoured with the prospect of a labour government but then a tory-ukip alliance (with or without the lib dems) is genuinely terrifying. I suspect labour will fuck things up for middle income people but do fuck all to deal with the super rich...

 

[Mabs]

Just because Millibland has ruled it out, doesn't mean it won't happen. He will do absolutely anything to be in power, promise anything regardless of whether he intends to carry it out or has the resources to carry it out.

Likewise, the SNP.

likewise cameroon and that sell out cunt clegg ?

 

[Scouse]

Likewise, the SNP.

Same as the Tories. Or UKIP.

Why only single out the ones you hate as liars - when they are all identical in this respect?

 

[Raven]

Same as the Tories. Or UKIP.

Why only single out the ones you hate as liars - when they are all identical in this respect?

Why would it be unbelievable if there were a Labour Government? ...

Although a Labour coalition won't happen anyway aparrently.

Did anyone notice on that Question Time that when Cameron was asked about a coalition he said it isn't happening then the subject was changed when it was Milliband they tried to force him to say hes gonna go into a coalition with the SNP and they didn't let it go?

Because that was the current discussion. Do keep up old chap.

I know its the easy choice to try and divert the conversation but its getting a little old.

I believe Cameron when he says a he wont enter a coalition with UKIP. I certainly don't believe a man who will stab his brother in the back.

 

[old.user4556]

I'm sorry but I am getting borderline embarrassed about the place I call home these days - Scots used to be financially conservative (with a small c) with some of the brightest minds in the UK, when did it turn into a totalitarian client state with a specialism in group think and bitterness and a complete inability to think for themselves?

Because Labour, and because Conservative.

As mentioned previously on this thread, the referendum saw a massive surge in political debate, reasoning, bluff, bullshit and counter bullshit in all four corners of Scotland, a political movement that a lot of English voters would be utterly jealous of. We found a voice, and the SNP listened to that voice. Dave and Ed didn't give a fuck about what we had to say up here (cemented by Ed's affirmation on 'no coalition'), let alone the more remote parts of England and Wales.

I don't know anyone voting for the above, and it's nothing to do with this false stereotypical image that all SNP voters wear kilts, smoke crack, have ginger hair and want a free ride. Bodhi, honestly, I've got friends from all walks of life from those struggling to get by to doctors, lawyers and dentists that had a privileged upbringing - it's about voting for change, it's about getting Scotland's voice heard, it's about being utterly an disillusioned former Labour voter with very little choice between "Tory and slightly less Tory".

We've got the option to take a different path in Scotland and vote for a party that at least does a more convincing job of Ed and Dave on pretending to give a fuck, and that's why we're voting SNP.

 

[Job]

If Labour jump in bed with the SNP it will be a countdown till Scotland leaves the union, either that or civil war in Scotland.
It will be the most unpopular government in 50 years and the lowest point the Labour party will have reached....just a stinking pile of shit, cut them off, move the nukes to Gibralter and watch them burn.

 

[Gwadien]

If Labour jump in bed with the SNP it will be a countdown till Scotland leaves the union, either that or civil war in Scotland.
It will be the most unpopular government in 50 years and the lowest point the Labour party will have reached....just a stinking pile of shit, cut them off, move the nukes to Gibralter and watch them burn.

Or alternatively the SNP could encourage the Labour party to return to their left-wing routes, and not actually threaten the union for another good period of time?

End of the day, I highly doubt Labour will happily say yeah, cool, referendum again.

 

[Job]

They are hardly left wing, for a start the Scots are the most racist / xenophobic people in the UK and the SNP will do nothing but pull labour apart, I'd rather have Labour/Greens (If they have a sudden surge

 

[Gwadien]

They are hardly left wing, for a start the Scots are the most racist / xenophobic people in the UK and the SNP will do nothing but pull labour apart, I'd rather have Labour/Greens (If they have a sudden surge

GJ being a victim of Tory propaganda.

As I've explained before, to many Scots, they're a proper Labour party, which doesn't cosy up to the centre-ground.

That's the truth, I'm sure people such as @Big G - You know, that racist/xenophobic guy from the UK would agree with me.

 

[Bodhi]

GJ being a victim of Tory propaganda.

As I've explained before, to many Scots, they're a proper Labour party, which doesn't cosy up to the centre-ground.

That's the truth, I'm sure people such as @Big G - You know, that racist/xenophobic guy from the UK would agree with me.

For fuck sake, read the article I linked to, they are not left wing. Not in the fucking slightest.

 

[ECA]

The snp are shitters.
Just look at their transport policy history and who they take money from.

 

[Gwadien]

For fuck sake, read the article I linked to, they are not left wing. Not in the fucking slightest.

My point is, Scots are voting for them, because there seen as a party which can offer them that the 'normal' parties cannot.

To paint them purely as nationalist nutjobs that only attract nationalist nut jobs is completely incorrect, I speak to a lot of people that voted for them, but also voted no in the referendum, because they believe they'll simply do better for them in parliament.

 

[Bodhi]

My point is, Scots are voting for them, because there seen as a party which can offer them that the 'normal' parties cannot.

To paint them purely as nationalist nutjobs that only attract nationalist nut jobs is completely incorrect, I speak to a lot of people that voted for them, but also voted no in the referendum, because they believe they'll simply do better for them in parliament.

I'm pretty sure those words could have come out of the mouth of a ukip voter as well....

 

[Talivar]

Out of curiosity those of you that are voting Conservatives can you explain how you think public sector workers would benefit from a Conservative Government?
And vice versa those voting Labour can you explain how you think private sector workers would benefit from a Labour Government?.

 

[Gwadien]

Out of curiosity those of you that are voting Conservatives can you explain how you think public sector workers would benefit from a Conservative Government?
And vice versa those voting Labour can you explain how you think private sector workers would benefit from a Labour Government?.

That's kind of the problem.

I find it interesting that the Lib Dems are targeting public sector workers, if I were a skeptical man, I would suggest that the Lib Dems are trying to grasp onto any public sector votes they can off Labour and then start a new coalition with the Tories, and have it as a long-term relationship in the new era of politics.

 

[Talivar]

It does seem to me the main problem. I have a sneaky feeling Lib Dems have already agreed a deal with Labour

 

[Gwadien]

It does seem to me the main problem. I have a sneaky feeling Lib Dems have already agreed a deal with Labour

I'm not sure, Tories MAY be able to get back in with the Lib Dems, but Labour would need more.

 

[Talivar]

Not long till we find out

 

[old.user4556]

They are hardly left wing, for a start the Scots are the most racist / xenophobic people in the UK and the SNP will do nothing but pull labour apart, I'd rather have Labour/Greens (If they have a sudden surge

I wish you would fuck off with your own xenophobic and stereotypical bullshit opinions.

 

[Job]

Are you denying it, you have to know it's true, I have 30-40 relatives in Scotland, from doleite to senior manager and they and all their mates are xenophobes of the highest order, they talk freely in bars about Pakis and wogs, it's just amazing to hear, the country is divided by entrenched religious bigotry so racism is just an add on

 

[old.user4556]

Yes yes yes, I'm well aware of your "I've got 342342394023 relatives in Scotland, therefore is must be true".

You've got UKIP and the BNP - ALL ENGLISH PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RACISTS

See how fucking retarded you sound?

 

[Raven]

Are you denying it, you have to know it's true, I have 30-40 relatives in Scotland, from doleite to senior manager and they and all their mates are xenophobes of the highest order, they talk freely in bars about Pakis and wogs, it's just amazing to hear, the country is divided by entrenched religious bigotry so racism is just an add on

If they are related to you then I really wouldn't be surprised if they were small minded racists and xenophobes. Doesn't mean all Scots are.

 

[Job]

Just a sample poll, but I stand by my assertions that an awful lot of Scots have a long way to go in accepting foreigners.

 

[Moriath]

Just a sample poll, but I stand by my assertions that an awful lot of Scots have a long way to go in accepting foreigners.

Not foreigners. Just english people. Hehe

Seriously all the scots i know are perfectly reasonable people. Admittedly i havent been north of Perth. But they are just standard people who are being hoodwinked by the traditional dislike for the english to vote snp.

But if thats what they vote then its a valid part of the election system and we have to live with it.

 

[Mabs]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ramesh-patel/growth-cameron-austerity_b_2007552.html