The future of EU DAoC

[NeonBlue]

And sorry Neonblue, depsite WoW incoming and my intention to play that, I'll be around for quite some time

heheh sok mate...was a joke...besides doesnt effect me i dont play Daoc anymore

though am not sure on WoW myself...too manga looking for me

Vanguard and Guildwars am waiting for...

since warhammer got cancelled

 

[Dommelsch]

/runs off to the local shop and buys himself some extra ram x<

 

[Thegreatest]

/runs off to the local shop and buys himself some extra ram x<

I can recommend you "City Computers", I heard there is a nice guy working there and they are kinda cheap with very good service!!11

 

[Svartmetall]

Well, unless GOA see sense and give us a co-op server (as is only right - we pay the same as US players, and we should get the same choices), I suspect I'll be moving to US servers in the next 6 months or so, purely for Gaheris. RvR is shit now (unless you're already high RR), and NF just puts the nail in the coffin.

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[Tilda]

Sigurd, I seem to recall a similar sort of doom and gloom post a few months before we got ToA, then people disagreed with you and told you it wouldnt be like that and... wow, it wasn't. Why do I get the feeling a similar thing will occur here?

Tilda

 

[Kokelimonkelmedisin]

Well, unless GOA see sense and give us a co-op server (as is only right - we pay the same as US players, and we should get the same choices), I suspect I'll be moving to US servers in the next 6 months or so, purely for Gaheris. RvR is shit now (unless you're already high RR), and NF just puts the nail in the coffin.

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and start leveling all over again? doing MLs etc?


Give me a PM on the boards if you want to try start a stady exp team up
if you do change. Been away from daoc for 4 months now.
Looking for an easy window to get back in again,
scrap my animist and start something, like an eld, chanter, bard
druid or any of the equivalent classes in the other realms.
(low pop realm is a key word to me tho)

 

[Cyfr]

I started leveling all over again, but just to swap to US servers because theres no goa
and faster patchs

 

[Tareregion]

512mb RAM + gf2mx + 1.2ghz athlon, no probs here rly

Anyway, looking forward to NF, haven't been in a good siege for years \o/

 

[Svartmetall]

and start leveling all over again? doing MLs etc?

Yes.

Give me a PM on the boards if you want to try start a stady exp team up
if you do change. Been away from daoc for 4 months now.
Looking for an easy window to get back in again,
scrap my animist and start something, like an eld, chanter, bard
druid or any of the equivalent classes in the other realms.
(low pop realm is a key word to me tho)

Will do.

 

[Sigurd]

Sigurd, I seem to recall a similar sort of doom and gloom post a few months before we got ToA, then people disagreed with you and told you it wouldnt be like that and... wow, it wasn't. Why do I get the feeling a similar thing will occur here?

Tilda

I've not played ToA in the Euro servers so I have no idea how it was recepted - I only referred to how it was recepted in the US servers. NF is different though - RvR is the defining factor of this game, and this changes it completely. With ToA you didn't need to get artifacts/MLs (and NF has nerfed some of those anyway, Bruiser, Fool's Bow and most of the Battlemaster line) to enjoy RvR or PvE - there is no choice in NF - you either accept the new bullshit or leave... which perhaps suggests the source of my anger in this issue.

 

[Shike]

/shrugs

its a quite big rewamp and ofc ppl are gonna stick around shiny new keeps and stuff, expecting anything else is naive.

give it a few months and let things settle, give mythic time to sort out the worst issues and it should be fine.

personally I have my doubts but tbh, cant expect much when they release an expansion of this caliber tbh. If people starts cancelling, they will see it, they will sort it then if its needed. Its not as if a company would shoot its leg off and watch itself fall without doing something.

People are whinging over archers and casters atm and sure I agree, 2700 range on a scout from a tower is abit.. silleh mebbe and sure, tanks arent good for much but carrying around siege and guard casters but come'on, you actually think they are gonna have it like that forever?

 

[Derric]

I've not played ToA in the Euro servers so I have no idea how it was recepted - I only referred to how it was recepted in the US servers. NF is different though - RvR is the defining factor of this game, and this changes it completely. With ToA you didn't need to get artifacts/MLs (and NF has nerfed some of those anyway, Bruiser, Fool's Bow and most of the Battlemaster line) to enjoy RvR or PvE - there is no choice in NF - you either accept the new bullshit or leave... which perhaps suggests the source of my anger in this issue.

Dunno what kinda RvR you're used to, but here I'd say you absolutely need a good ToA sc setup to be able to compete and enjoy RvR.

 

[Balbor]

people moan for 2 resions 1) there characters are nerfed or 2) other characters are made better and are able to compete againsts your character more effectifly (so kinda like a nerf as any gap between your character and others is gone).

Only people that should be moaning about NF are those currently doing well in RvR that are worried that everyone else will be able to do better. People that play characters that don't compete well (such as hybirds) aren't likely to complain as NF will either make the game more enjoyable for them or have no effect (so be were they are anyway).

NF is about RvR and everyone should stop thinking of the impact on themselves or even the ideal group set up they run in and looking at the impact on there realm.

Beside if you don't like the all the new added stuff you have 44 levels of BG to go play in.

 

[York]

Cant agree with NF because i havent played it yet, nor do i intend too, ToA was enough for me, (what a nightmare). DAoC seems to me to be a freaking no lifers game, before you start flaming, let me explain.

To be viable in RvR you have to 'complete' ToA (nightmare) be a mathamatician (templates) and also expect to be killed within a second (zergs) none of these are fun imo, the game is becoming far too complicated to even have fun anymore.

My guild just disbanded due to most of these problems and ive seen others disband too, DAoC could have been a great game but now its only for those who have the time, effort and determination to slog through the 'complications' thats called RvR.

Bring back the basics where people can spend a couple of weeks advancing thier char and then going out and having some god damn fun, i dont wanna spend a year making my char the best it can be to even begin the enjoyment part, and then its all here and there because mythic will make huge changes that are NOT tested properly making your yr old perfected char a pile of shite.

Whats the point in that! I cant see any and thats why ive cancelled my sub. DAoC will end up like Everquest, all MMORPG's end up in the gaming graveyards because new games are released and interest is lost.

Flame away!

 

[NeonBlue]

Cant agree with NF because i havent played it yet, nor do i intend too, ToA was enough for me, (what a nightmare). DAoC seems to me to be a freaking no lifers game, before you start flaming, let me explain.

To be viable in RvR you have to 'complete' ToA (nightmare) be a mathamatician (templates) and also expect to be killed within a second (zergs) none of these are fun imo, the game is becoming far too complicated to even have fun anymore.

My guild just disbanded due to most of these problems and ive seen others disband too, DAoC could have been a great game but now its only for those who have the time, effort and determination to slog through the 'complications' thats called RvR.

Bring back the basics where people can spend a couple of weeks advancing thier char and then going out and having some god damn fun, i dont wanna spend a year making my char the best it can be to even begin the enjoyment part, and then its all here and there because mythic will make huge changes that are NOT tested properly making your yr old perfected char a pile of shite.

Whats the point in that! I cant see any and thats why ive cancelled my sub. DAoC will end up like Everquest, all MMORPG's end up in the gaming graveyards because new games are released and interest is lost.

Flame away!

tbh agree with most of what uve said there...even though i did go almost all the way in trying to get my char kitted out (fully sc'ed)

But when TOA landed...and added more silly features...that was enough for me and ive kinda quit now too

Bring back the old days....was soooo much better then !

 

[Garnet]

My computer cant handle TOA unless its upgraded

ATM 2.0 Ghz Athlon Processor, 768 MB Ram and a Radeon 9600 128 MB Graphics card. Loading time from zones = about 2 minutes, occasional fps lag in rvr and toa (red triangle thing) and computer crashes very often with only 1 toa client running... Cant even use mirc while playing daoc now :/

Never buying a shitty Radeon graphics card ever again.

 

[Oldfaravid]

My computer cant handle TOA unless its upgraded

ATM 2.0 Ghz Athlon Processor, 768 MB Ram and a Radeon 9600 128 MB Graphics card. Loading time from zones = about 2 minutes, occasional fps lag in rvr and toa (red triangle thing) and computer crashes very often with only 1 toa client running... Cant even use mirc while playing daoc now :/

Never buying a shitty Radeon graphics card ever again.

doh playing ToA on a p3 800 with 640mb ram geforce 4 ti.. dont use toA CLIENT for RvR but from all my encounters and scrollfarming in toa i havent crashed once...

 

[Jace]

"Bring back the basics where people can spend a couple of weeks advancing thier char and then going out and having some god damn fun, i dont wanna spend a year making my char the best it can be to even begin the enjoyment part"

Don't forget that along with NF comes a full range of Battegrounds taking you right from lvl1 up to lvl44. I've been playing about with my US account and these BGs have been the best fun i've had in a long time.

In many respects it's totally back to basics with very few (if any) buffbots, far less SC'd people, no opted group bullshit and allot of FUN

The only problem i can see when this hits the EU servers is whether people will bother going to the BGs. EU seems far more obsessed with being the best and rushing to 50 so I'm not sure there are enough people who would want to stop powerlevling long enough to stop and enjoy them :/

 

[Sigurd]

Dunno what kinda RvR you're used to, but here I'd say you absolutely need a good ToA sc setup to be able to compete and enjoy RvR.

Heh well I've lost count of the number of arrogant "I have so many artifacts I'm now ubarr!1" players I've killed. I even remember killing, with the rest of my group, 3 high RR hibs in SoM cloaks ToA doesn't save you, and it has less effect in RvR than before anyway. I have 9 artifacts myself now - but certain ones aren't even worth using in NF. It's going to be amusing when the powergamers discover they don't have quite so much of an advantage any more though

 

[Sigurd]

"Bring back the basics where people can spend a couple of weeks advancing thier char and then going out and having some god damn fun, i dont wanna spend a year making my char the best it can be to even begin the enjoyment part"

Don't forget that along with NF comes a full range of Battegrounds taking you right from lvl1 up to lvl44. I've been playing about with my US account and these BGs have been the best fun i've had in a long time.

In many respects it's totally back to basics with very few (if any) buffbots, far less SC'd people, no opted group bullshit and allot of FUN

The only problem i can see when this hits the EU servers is whether people will bother going to the BGs. EU seems far more obsessed with being the best and rushing to 50 so I'm not sure there are enough people who would want to stop powerlevling long enough to stop and enjoy them :/

Any EU players without the latest hardware will be spending all their time in the BGs if they wish to play this game at all. NF is just too laggy.

 

[Herbal]

Face it you have an old crap pc that needs an upgrade, its not nf that lags its your pc that cant handle it...

 

[Cyfr]

What Herbal said.
Oh and powergamers can still have loads of fun, you can even find 2-3groups of randoms to slaughter now
Usualy gankgroups just roam around the active towers / keeps finding groups to kill

 

[Goldragon]

Future of EU daoc, my opinion..

Will get ditched

/hug WOW

 

[Sigurd]

Face it you have an old crap pc that needs an upgrade, its not nf that lags its your pc that cant handle it...

LOL what the fuck are you smoking? You have any idea how many US players have quit/are quitting over the lag? My PC is fine, why should I have to upgrade just because Mythic can't program for shit?

 

[Cyfr]

Ok Sigurd you obviously aint listening.
Your pc is NOT average, your pc is crap. GF3's were out somewhere in 2001 afink, thats 3 years ago..
I am using a fairly up to date gfx card and have no lag at all. It is not mythics programing its YOUR pc.
Oh, and please give me mythic statistics to show people are quiting.

 

[NeonBlue]

Your pc is NOT average, your pc is crap. GF3's were out somewhere in 2001 afink, .

and ur point being?...i have a GF3 and it works fine with TOA

 

[Chilly]

My computer cant handle TOA unless its upgraded

ATM 2.0 Ghz Athlon Processor, 768 MB Ram and a Radeon 9600 128 MB Graphics card. Loading time from zones = about 2 minutes, occasional fps lag in rvr and toa (red triangle thing) and computer crashes very often with only 1 toa client running... Cant even use mirc while playing daoc now :/

Never buying a shitty Radeon graphics card ever again.

I play with less ram and a crapper gfx card on a laptop and get seemingly better performance than you. Only people with seriously good machines can really expect to use the TOA client in rvr, use SI for rvr

 

[NeonBlue]

Only people with seriously good machines can really expect to use the TOA client in rvr, use SI for rvr

hmmm disagree...i have AMD 2.4ghz 768 DDram GF3 card...and always used the TOA client in RvR....never had any problems

 

[Cyfr]

and ur point being?...i have a GF3 and it works fine with TOA

We are talking about NF here....

 

[Dimse Dut]

You mean the game evolves? *keels over in a faint*
noo not a new grafic engine? EEK
Your saying our 7 year old mashines cant play the game? *screams in horror*

I have played this game for 2 years non stop ( *sobs* yes please forward a life asap) In that time I have heard,at every new addition and patch people complain and throwing themselves on their swords because of the EWUL deeds of mythic by changing the game.

But lets all face it. DAOC is unique it has something to offer Different typs of people( pve and pvp) it even made a system where people cheer and smile once a green bar reaches its end (crafting).

Yes there issues that I think mythic needs to address, ( AE stun and AE insta Stun WHAT WERE YOU THINKING??!?! LOL ) but the HEART of the Game is still intact.
By the Heart I mean the special blend of everything, it is basicly your choise what you do when you log on.

ooh look a cookie *munches* hmm where was I oh yes.

The Game moves on, and it has to adapt to a generation of new players who didnt doodle with their Commadore 64. Please dont say that we should all go back to the good old " 8-bit" days. I have played those and I AINT going back LOL.

New Frontiers is not the doom of DAOC but the saving grace. Getting people out from the Dungeons and out in the open where the " enemy" has a REAL Intelligence, has moods swings and bad hair days ( please dont tell me im the only one with bad hair days)

When ToA hit I had people in my guild singing the doom song ( from invader Zim) for DAOC and I suddenly understood why. After playing a game for 2 years and you know Every damn aspect of the game. Your a veteran, You suddenly dont know ANYTHING. Your a ToA N00b and that Bugs you.

I Suspect that is the same with NF. Suddenly everybody is "New". The old maps and hidding places are useless, the edge you had of KNOWING where to hide and where the enemy was hiding is gone.

We didnt realy need ToA but if DAOC is going to survive patches like New Frontiers are a must.

Its a Adventure Im looking forward to taking part in.

Veni Vidi N00bi!

Dimse Dut
Guildmaster of Uranicus Phalanx