Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[ECA]

Watch the first 10 seconds of this http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/94532
82.stm and tell me why Vettel didn't get a penalty if Lewis did.

100% agree with you. Multiple defensive maneuvers.

 

[Krazeh]

The stewards really need to get more consistency in their decisions. We've only had two races and already they've had incidents in both where two drivers have done the same thing at different points in the race but only one of them has received a penalty for it. As it is Vettel should be very relieved that the stewards seem to be turning a blind eye to his antics.

 

[ST^]

Watch the first 10 seconds of this http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/94532
82.stm and tell me why Vettel didn't get a penalty if Lewis did.

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[ECA]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9453282.stm

Fixed url was split over two lines.

 

[JingleBells]

Edit: Too slow

 

[Rulke]

Holy crap, what a race! Well worth getting up early for

Superb drives from Hamilton and Webber but lol at Button going into the wrong garage

 

[ECA]

Really great race.

 

[Aph3x]

Race of the season so far with probably the two best drives of the season coming from Webber and Hamilton. Can't wait for Turkey, all teams will have a whole host of upgrades so I'm hoping Ferrari and Mercedes can close the gap on the top two teams and make the rest of the season a four way battle.

Well worth setting my alarm for!

Oh and the commentary team of DC and Brundle are really starting to gel, seemed farm more relaxed in the race and didnt miss much from all the action was going on.

 

[caLLous]

Incredible race. Immense performance from Hamilton with those overtakes, after the frantic pre-race problem as well. It was heartstopping at times, especially when he was passing Button. Also a great drive from Webber to be only 7 seconds behind the winner after starting in 18th.

Oh and the commentary team of DC and Brundle are really starting to gel, seemed farm more relaxed in the race and didnt miss much from all the action was going on.

Yeah, I agree. I really wasn't keen on DC last year as part of the presenting team but he's really good in the commentary box with Brundle.

...the only way that message could've been more terrifying is if it had been delivered in the dark.

 

[Ch3tan]

f1 to get even shadier?

BBC Sport - Rupert Murdoch's News Corp and Exor reveal F1 plan

 

[Kryten]

No hope in hell - otherwise they'd lose most the sponsorship and a hell of a lot of money. It's nothing more than willy-waving currently and won't move away from that - not for a while at least.
Shady it certainly is though - Ferrari have a vested interest in this deal and BSkyB have a vested interest in Ferrari.
I think the most that might come out of it is that Ferrari do what they've needed to do for a long time and start a Ferrari Grand Prix Cup or something leaving the racing to the teams who are in it for the sport left in F1. Would be a great shame, and thankfully very unlikely to happen but it's in noones interest for F1 to disappear (again) from FTA TV. The viewing figures next to vanished the last time round.

 

[Shagrat]

Some seat of the pants overtaking by Hamilton on massa there

 

[ECA]

Robbed of an epic ending

 

[Embattle]

Well certainly a rare Monaco, an interesting one.

 

[Embattle]

Shame about the tyre change.

 

[Corran]

Shame about the tyre change.

aye, very disappointing. Epic ending ruined there. In end strategy meant nothing. Pure luck of safety cars and red flag

They probably asked their sister team to cause an accident to safety car till the end

 

[Kryten]

As said on IRC, I firmly believe Monaco should long have been stricken from the "race" calendar. They don't allow racing - the times someone attempts it, they get penalised for avoidable collisions. It's too tight, it's too unsafe (that's 2 relatively serious injuries in 2 days), the result is never representative of any skill or true pace. Vettle is and was certainly not the sort of driver to win on a circuit like Monaco properly. Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton maybe.
Really can't stand the place and think it should be gotten rid of once and for all. But there's just too much money there for them to consider it. Safety is paramount only when it suits them. When it's monaco, it's money.
The FIA has only been properly bent in that way since Balestre run it to Alain Prost's EXTREME favour in the late 80's (and thats including all the FIA-Ferrari jibes in the last few years).

Too much luck, good and bad involved. Frankly they should have left it at the qualifying and televised them playing roulette in one of the casinos.

 

[Embattle]

Well the real problem is when Bernie criticises other races when you've still got Monaco on the calendar, in most years past it has been a bad case of follow the leader but even with this year being better it still doesn't change the fact there is nearly no where to overtake.

 

[Kryten]

Exactly. They can threaten to get rid of Silverstone despite having more history than Monte-Carlo. They can actually get rid of Spa (thankfully not for long) when it's the best circuit on the calendar. But they won't get rid of where the money is.

F1 is a sport, except when it's at Monaco. God, even the Tilke tracks are better than Monaco.

 

[caLLous]

Anyone see Hamilton's interview on the forum? Fair enough he had some rotten luck all weekend but he wasn't entirely blame free for everything. As Brundle said, it's always somebody else's fault. Which will be the first red top to take the "black" comment completely out of context in the morning?

In other (vaguely driving related) news, DiRT 3 is great fun.

 

[Embattle]

I think he was to blame for a few and as previously stated so is the track with perhaps a tiny bit for other drivers, I tend to view it more as him being annoyed and heat of the moment.

I did enjoy it when they chucked Eddie and then DC in the pool.

 

[Calo]

Vettel still seems the best driver out there, sure he isn't the best at overtaking ppl etc but driving fast laps... oh boy.

 

[Rulke]

He was a bit of a whiney b*tch in the interview but I can understand his frustration - he's trying to race on a track which doesnt allow it.

Remove Monaco from the race calender already :/

 

[caLLous]

Yeah it's a pity because all the way through the practise sessions and Q1 and Q2 it looked like Hamilton was going to take the race to Vettel. Some bad luck in Q3 along with a questionable strategy decision (which would've then become a masterstroke had it come off and he had a fresh set of supersofts more than those around him and pole) meant he was on the backfoot from the off today.

He can't complain about the quali penalty (or his heat of the moment comment about Massa blocking him and then him getting the penalty) at all, Massa didn't really block him and that wasn't in any way related to him receiving a penalty anyway (there was a big crash and about 30 mins of inactivity between the two events).

Getting bored of Vettel now.

 

[Corran]

Hamilton is right though. There only a couple places to overtake on the track. The hairpin is one of them. Unfotunately most drivers assume it wont happen and pay no attention. Ok Massa one had to get a penalty as they done a driver previously in the race.. Maldanado though just turned into him when he had the inside line, he didnt look and clearly should be just a race incident. Expected no less.

The crash at end really spoiled it though, I though JB may have got the win but would been close, and exciting.

 

[Krazeh]

Hamilton is right though. There only a couple places to overtake on the track. The hairpin is one of them. Unfotunately most drivers assume it wont happen and pay no attention.

I agree, and I don't think it helped Hamilton's frustrations that he did pay attention to the inside and went out slightly wide when Schumacher overtook him on the first lap whereas Massa just turned in seemingly without having a clue he was there. Problem with a track like Monaco is that it's so tight that any overtaking move is likely to end up with contact/collisions unless both drivers are paying attention.

 

[Corran]

Something needs to change this season though, else they may as well cancel the second half. Teams will just be wasting money due to fact both titles be wrapped up. lol. The engine mapping may set Red Bull back a bit, hoping they are more affected then Mclaren (and Ferrari) if the ban is pushed through . . . . which is yet to be seen.

The double DRS zones play into RB hands though, as they gain more than any other team from its use. . . not that it helps Vettel other than passing back markers.

 

[caLLous]

I dont think engine mapping will make any real tangible difference tbh, the other teams are definitely going to need to step up a level or 3. Even taking a few poles away from Redbull would be a start. I think Hamilton was really in line to start doing that this weekend, which just compounds his frustration.

 

[Access Denied]

I couldn't agree more, get rid of the Monaco GP. This is the first time I've actually watched the race in years, usually I just watch the build up and oogle the women =D

As for Lewis, the race comment was clearly a joke, anyone who takes it otherwise is actively looking for a soapbox to stand on. I also agree that Hamilton shouldn't have gotten any penalties for those incidents. If massa and Maldonardo had been paying attention they wouldn't have happened. Yes Hamilton may have been frustrated enough to just dive in like he did but then dive in or not they were legitimate overtaking opportunities. Honestly I think he needs to get out of Maclaren and go to either Ferrari (May my tongue turn black for saying it) or Red Bull. McLaren are clearly screwing both their drivers over with stupid tactical decisions.

 

[ST^]

If massa and Maldonardo had been paying attention they wouldn't have happened. Yes Hamilton may have been frustrated enough to just dive in like he did but then dive in or not they were legitimate overtaking opportunities.

lol, fuck off.