The decline of Midgard....

[Icebreaker]

Should rename the thread into Buffbot/Healer discussion!

 

[ebenezer]

well said, its on its arse and not getting back up again, get over it people.

agreed....no new people coming in. And people played this game for a long time. People have other stuff to do...rl situasions change etc.
More and more will leave....

 

[Maeloch]

If CC leeched like buffstrips bryjia bridge would be crawling with soloing pac healers.

BB does make okay drood with 42nurt/33regrow spec (or whatever variation). Would think only a minority are specced like this and templated well enuff to play properly. Quite handy to have BB specced like this as backup drood for big raids and realm events tho, where naturalists are at a premium. Normally switch to play BB then myself, as hate been perma res sick and unbuffed as a caster in raids and can't run both (on pc that can handle it).

 

[Frozodo]

I dunno, but I dont thrust conclusions from statistics by someone who said 'Warlocks are hardmode, and rangers are the easiest mode ever'.

haha so right

 

[pjuppe]

Hmm...dont most druids go 44 buff/31 heal/4 root ? (in hib anyway)

Thats a decent rvr spec too so should be quite alot of them out there. I know Ive reloged to my bot on quite a few occations when we are low on druids.

/Finculin

well, that is true but we both know that you are not the best example of the average player, you little PvE-whore i think most ppl would just settle to equipp their BB's so they cap dex (for faster rebuffing) and can preform simple PvE tasks. that's what i've done with mine (disregarding my cleric ofc since i wanted to play one in RvR from time to time)

 

[Straef]

So what people are saying is that Albion has more than double the number of primary healers than Midgard purely down to DI bots?

So we saying that Albion, Hibernia, Midgard all roughly (at least comparable to the overall population) have the same number of fully played Main healers?

Do Albion and Hibernia suffer from lack of main healers too? (I don't think anyone disputes Midgard does.)

I didn't say anything like it. All I pointed out was that there is a large amount of buffbots and that they're not very likely to be played actively. I believe the number of active healers is somewhat of a percentage of the active population in a realm, rather than some fixed number the same in all realms. I think Albion, for example, has more active clerics than Hibernia, as there is a larger playerbase. And, seeing there are more players, I think there's a larger number of buffbots in Albion aswell, tho I can't tell for DI bots as I know very few of them.

 

[Castus]

Players roll mid > meet Denarius > reroll Alb !:england:

 

[Straef]

Hehe, well during Mastards first RvR event I played my BB Bereth (fully toad and templated). After 1 hour 35 minutes I was second on heal list with 88k healed and first one having 1 hour more played and 3k more healing.

Now that aint to shabby for "just" a BB!

You can't really compare a relic raid or some large scale battles to fg-fg rvr tho, as I tend to run into grey-bluecons in large raids aswell, while a fg isn't really likely to take a lowlevel or ungeared player when they intend to win fg battles.

 

[Cromcruaich]

For OPted groups: Mid > Hib >> Alb.
And again this results in mid and hib having fewer groups running, because of missing key classes. The elite however is having an easier time agains its oponents. And would explain a higher RR avarage.

This allso falls inline with mid and hib allways have been more vocal about wanting 8v8 fights, its human nature after all. Ofcause they want the game to turn in the direction they have the best advantage.

Easy for people to get taken in by this, and I agree it has at various times been the general consensus, usually dictated by the fact that Mid had some excellent 8 man groups running.

However, just look at some of the Alb groups that were around not that long ago, PE, Boys Dont Cry and Asylum, these groups more than hold their own against any other mid or hib group so I really dont think this holds true, and your argument is to easily twisted by albs as an excuse to not form solid 8 man groups but continue to run with the zerg.

A bit of effort is all it takes to get a competitive group going in any realm. It's time for people to start making that effort, especially now a lot of the leet groups have moved on.

 

[Belomar]

For OPted groups: Mid > Hib >> Alb.

I don't agree. It all depends on your own group setup and the group setup of your enemies, it's a matter of some setups working better against a certain type of enemy group than another. Rock-paper-scissors on a grand scale, in other words. For instance, an Albion sorc-heavy extend group has a considerable advantage over a pure Mid tank group.

In fact, I would say that overall (i.e. over all conceivable group setups in all of the three realms), we have the following happy situation:

Mid ~ Hib ~ Alb

 

[Shike]

Easy for people to get taken in by this, and I agree it has at various times been the general consensus, usually dictated by the fact that Mid had some excellent 8 man groups running.

However, just look at some of the Alb groups that were around not that long ago, PE, Boys Dont Cry and Asylum, these groups more than hold their own against any other mid or hib group so I really dont think this holds true, and your argument is to easily twisted by albs as an excuse to not form solid 8 man groups but continue to run with the zerg.

A bit of effort is all it takes to get a competitive group going in any realm. It's time for people to start making that effort, especially now a lot of the leet groups have moved on.

very true, Asylum was a good fight, PE too and ofc BDC was hellish to deal with, cant really say alb as a whole is gimped when alb is more than capable of creating competative groups with ease, this I know from firsthandexperience since I have a bunch of albtoons aswell and used to run in a solid albgroup. Anyone saying alb is gimp is basically just saying albs players are gimp, its not the classbalance or similar that is whack in this case anymore. I can agree on one achillesheal of alb and that is that the setups are very sensitive to changes, cant just toss in 3-4support and rest DPS and run as easy as mid and hib can but when albs build a strong group it is as strong as any group out there.

 

[MesS°]

very true, Asylum was a good fight, PE too and ofc BDC was hellish to deal with, cant really say alb as a whole is gimped when alb is more than capable of creating competative groups with ease, this I know from firsthandexperience since I have a bunch of albtoons aswell and used to run in a solid albgroup. Anyone saying alb is gimp is basically just saying albs players are gimp, its not the classbalance or similar that is whack in this case anymore. I can agree on one achillesheal of alb and that is that the setups are very sensitive to changes, cant just toss in 3-4support and rest DPS and run as easy as mid and hib can but when albs build a strong group it is as strong as any group out there.

So you dont agree, and say Alb can build just as god groups as the other realms. The other realms just have an easier time doing it?
Riiight...

And noone said Alb was gimped. Not in this tread anyway. I said its easier for Mid to make an opted group and be sucsesfull. Mayby not alot but it is easier. Albion has had loads of very sucsesfull groups, several wich where/are a match for anyone. But the other realms has allways had more.
You dont get "mad skillz" and therefor want more 8v8 or duals, depending on wich icon you press when you first start playing DAoC. Its just how the game ended up beeing designed.

Belomar you jumped ship yourself, mayby that had something todo with the fact, that it was more fun winning?
You where an excelent cabby, but as i remember it you didnt become really competetive untill you joined mid.
Or did I get that all wrong?

 

[Kinag]

very true, Asylum was a good fight, PE too and ofc BDC was hellish to deal with, cant really say alb as a whole is gimped when alb is more than capable of creating competative groups with ease, this I know from firsthandexperience since I have a bunch of albtoons aswell and used to run in a solid albgroup. Anyone saying alb is gimp is basically just saying albs players are gimp, its not the classbalance or similar that is whack in this case anymore. I can agree on one achillesheal of alb and that is that the setups are very sensitive to changes, cant just toss in 3-4support and rest DPS and run as easy as mid and hib can but when albs build a strong group it is as strong as any group out there.

I don't agree.

In Albion, if you want to run a caster group you have to decide between end for kiting or elemental resists + bg'er.

In my opinion there's no room for both a Paladin and a Friar in the same group.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

so...whats new ?

 

[Puppet]

In fact, I would say that overall (i.e. over all conceivable group setups in all of the three realms), we have the following happy situation:

Mid ~ Hib ~ Alb

The outrage! Its so bloody obvious its Hib ~ Alb ~ Mid or perhaps Alb ~ Mid ~ Hib but what you described is so wrong !!!!!

 

[Vodkafairy]

Mid ~ Hib ~ Alb

almost.

mids with good bd > hib ~ alb

hib ~ alb > mids with shit or no bd

 

[Belomar]

The outrage! Its so bloody obvious its Hib ~ Alb ~ Mid or perhaps Alb ~ Mid ~ Hib but what you described is so wrong !!!!!

I stand by my point and I will never back down! To the end!

 

[Meril]

almost.

mids with good bd > hib ~ alb

hib ~ alb > mids with shit or no bd

So no bd in a mid grp = gameover .. i see :|

 

[Ronso]

Story of your life

 

[raid]

almost.

mids with good bd > hib ~ alb

hib ~ alb > mids with shit or no bd

probably true... however i usually had the impression that

alb > mid
mid > hib
hib > alb

dont know why, but as alb hibs seemed harder overall, and as mid albs seemed harder overall (ofc really good grp stands out in any realm, but this seemed to apply to the "decent" grps atleast...)

 

[pip]

Bd+wl need more loving they never get grps

 

[Varna]

I too vote for more BD loving. Bless them.

 

[Void959]

2 BD group with good players make me feel so hopeless.

 

[Eregion]

probably true... however i usually had the impression that

alb > mid
mid > hib
hib > alb

dont know why, but as alb hibs seemed harder overall, and as mid albs seemed harder overall (ofc really good grp stands out in any realm, but this seemed to apply to the "decent" grps atleast...)

Also feel like that!

 

[Straef]

I stand by my point and I will never back down! To the end!

I guess you'll have to be dragged down, then :<

 

[Thadius]

Mids need more thanes in group!

Maybe even two, one to bodyguard the other!

 

[Ging]

almost.

mids with good bd > hib ~ alb

hib ~ alb > mids with shit or no bd

no no no

alb grp with gingy in > hib
alb grp with gingy in > mid
alb grp with gingy in > hib + mid

mid > alb (no gingy)
hib > alb (no gingy)

lvl 1 fighter > hib grp with VF in

 

[Vodkafairy]

no no no

alb grp with gingy in > hib
alb grp with gingy in > mid
alb grp with gingy in > hib + mid

when we're talking about who gives easiest rps yeah!

 

[Ging]

when we're talking about who gives easiest rps yeah!

no.

 

[Puppet]

I stand by my point and I will never back down! To the end!

Well Vampiir > Healer+BD so I suppose the end is near for thou !