The Beatings In Iraq (Headline In Todays News Of The World)

[Udgaardsloke]

What makes it right for english or american to be there in the first place? Do we in the west have right to invade any country when we feel like it?
AS I see it they are just doing what danes did under ww2 against germans

I agree.. Imo that is exactly what we did under ww2. Yet when i see this (even though that camera is fuckin sick and that i wouldnt mind him taking a beating) i see how the soldiers can do it, they are under great pressure and they want to teach the kids a lesson, but i also see why they shouldnt do it, obviously you shouldnt beat kids, and i,if i was from iraq,would be very angry about this.. I dont think we should be in Iraq in the first place though, invading a country for oil? With the excuse of trying to make a country better? Lots of other countries that could need a hand then...

 

[Himse]

rofl, the camera man is awesome haha...

depends on what they are doing tbh, sounds like they hurt em quite bad.

 

[Dukat]

I dont know the full story and I suspect not many people ever will, but I think you lot judging them on here when none of you know anything other than the story you have been told via the media is wrong.

I would probably kill you irl if I would meet you...fucking american thinking

HOLY HYPOCRISY TO THE FACE BATMAN!

You are talking more like a rednecked hillbilly than most people here my friend, I suggest you take the time you're incoming ban will give you to reflect on you're pathetic attitude.

What makes it right for english or american to be there in the first place? Do we in the west have right to invade any country when we feel like it?
AS I see it they are just doing what danes did under ww2 against germans

As I see it the soldiers do not want to be there in the first place, its a job and they are doing it, however wrongly.

Those soldiers in the video did not decide to invade iraq, they were simply ordered there.

Those soldiers may well be in the wrong, but this doesnt mean you should tar every single soldier in Iraq with the same brush.

The sheer fact that not one person posting here knows the whole story means that those soldiers could well know something that you do not. No, it might not excuse the fact that what they're doing is wrong, but it does mean that they might have a very good reason for it.

 

[Cozak]

I would probably kill you irl if I would meet you...fucking american thinking

Dream on son.. fucking american comment.

 

[Cozak]

haha, making their country better, how fucking naive can you be?

Nothing to do with wanting their oil?
I guess training Islam Karimov's troops who then go onto gun down pro democracy protesters, in between torturing thousands of people is Britains way of helping out the people of Uzbekistan?

Yeah 100's on British troops and 1000's of American troops is a worthy sacrifice for oil.. right.

 

[Chap]

Yes cause there is plenty of oil and it's not like it's running out or anything there is plenty of it to go around for 1000's of years more ... not worth fighting over

Clueless I guess. SAudis sit on 50% of the known oil resources, and as we all know saudi is a very unstable country with a prowestern dictatorship (supported by the democracies) and a very fundamentalistic view on religion.
Not only does oil power our cars. But its like 70% of food production aswell. Pesticides are made from oil. Machinery is produced with oil, and they use oil as fuel. All wrapping is made of plastic which is also created from oil.
This leads to...
If oil prices explode food prices will explode. Our society are so dependent on oil that if the oil producing contries decide that they want alot they really have us in a nasty grib. Oil resources wont last for thousands of years

 

[Lollersausage]

What makes it right for english or american to be there in the first place? Do we in the west have right to invade any country when we feel like it?
AS I see it they are just doing what danes did under ww2 against germans

Iraqis have the right to bomb our counties aswell, right?

 

[Chap]

Iraqis have the right to bomb our counties aswell, right?

And when have you neighbour been bombed by sadam? never I guess?

 

[Lollersausage]

And when have you neighbour been bombed by sadam? never I guess?

No my neighbours haven't, but arabs in general. not gonna get into a discussion about it, but seemed strange, you thinking it strange for us to wage war on their counties and invade them.. even after we've lost 100's of lives through 9/11 and London Underground bombing

 

[spook]

Iraqi kids can indeed be annoying little pricks, and you never know if they actually have a weapon stuffed away around the corner or a gun inside their shirt.
In no way however, does this warrant the soldiers to run out and grab four supposedly random kids and drag them back for a slight beating. Seriously, they do not get beaten senseless from what I see. None the less, it shouldn't have happened at all.
Would like to see the whole situation from start to end, without any editing etc before judging what actually happened.

What worked decently for us, was to grab the kid(s) in question, drag them to their parents/some adult iraqi and tell the adult what the kid did, which often resulted in the kid getting a beating or shouted at by the adult.

Easy to say from home, while not knowing the situation at all.

 

[noblok]

No my neighbours haven't, but arabs in general. not gonna get into a discussion about it, but seemed strange, you thinking it strange for us to wage war on their counties and invade them.. even after we've lost 100's of lives through 9/11 and London Underground bombing

And invading Afghanistan+Iraq sure did help reducing the ammount of terrorist attacks. Terror-organisations aren't linked to a country, they're networks. It's not just as simple as invading one country and the terrorists are gone. The pilots from the 9/11 planes lived in Europe and the US for a while.

All the invasion has done is fueled terrorism.

On the original topic: I agree with Tohtori and would like to add that the person who does the voice is either sick or has a very twisted sense of humour.

 

[Aiteal]

No my neighbours haven't, but arabs in general. not gonna get into a discussion about it, but seemed strange, you thinking it strange for us to wage war on their counties and invade them.. even after we've lost 100's of lives through 9/11 and London Underground bombing

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, they were carried out by a group trained and financed for many years by the US, to fight the Russians in Afghanistan

and the london bombing's happened afterwards, by your logic it's not strange they bombed London at all

And when Sadam was bombing the shite outta his neighbours the Iranians, he was our best buddy

 

[Chap]

No my neighbours haven't, but arabs in general. not gonna get into a discussion about it, but seemed strange, you thinking it strange for us to wage war on their counties and invade them.. even after we've lost 100's of lives through 9/11 and London Underground bombing

Around 100.000 innocents have died since the start of the war in Iraq and you justify it with a terrorist attack that happened in US which had no relations, what so ever, to Iraq.
No reason to get into a discussion because there is nothing to discuss. It's an illegal war waged to sponsor the american weapons industry and secure oil resources. No UN resolution can back this war up.
And saying that arabs in general bomb countries is just sprouting bullshit. Those who have dropped most tons of bombs in the 20th century is The United States. But ofc they were peace bombs, which spread flowers and not death. Some people just live in an other world.

 

[Jeriraa]

Due to their training a soldier is a lethal weapon by itself. They should keep their personal feelings out of it. They should've thrown the brats in jail as prisoners of war and emptied a couple of beanbag bullet magazines on the crowd. They sorted it it the wrong manner and in my opinion they oughtto be dishonorably discharged from the military.

wether or not the brats deserved it or not... Yes they deserved some punishment but no they didn't deserve THAT.

and the camera man should be locked up aswell...

Well said.

I dont know how troops in the UK are trained. In Germany the KRK troops (crisis response contingent) are specialy prepaired for stuff like that. My platoon used to act as rioters or paramilitary troops in roleplays with the KRK company of my battalion. They sure had to take alot of shit from us.

 

[TeaSpoon]

Please somebody, think of the children!

The grenade weilding children...

 

[Lollersausage]

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, they were carried out by a group trained and financed for many years by the US, to fight the Russians in Afghanistan

and the london bombing's happened afterwards, by your logic it's not strange they bombed London at all

And when Sadam was bombing the shite outta his neighbours the Iranians, he was our best buddy

Hardly say my logic is shite or anything, but just lack of information

Knew i should've stayed out of serious threads.. always make an ass of myself somehow ._.

 

[Jeriraa]

Hardly say my logic is shite or anything, but just lack of information

Knew i should've stayed out of serious threads.. always make an ass of myself somehow ._.

Have a hug!

 

[Fana]

Those "soldiers" are a fucking disgrace to humanity. I hope they will face long prison times for beating up children, and the cameraman or whoever it was doing the commentary obviously needs to be put in a psychward.

To you who arew defending them, shame on you. There is no defense for beating up children, especially not when you are armed, larger, outnumber them and are supposed to be there to create peace and stability. What kind of fucking values do they teach soldiers these days? If they turn psycopath and have to drag childrent into a backyard and beat them up because of the stress they no doubt feel down there then they should not *be* there in the first place, they should not even be soldiers.

 

[Cozak]

Iraqi kids can indeed be annoying little pricks, and you never know if they actually have a weapon stuffed away around the corner or a gun inside their shirt.
In no way however, does this warrant the soldiers to run out and grab four supposedly random kids and drag them back for a slight beating. Seriously, they do not get beaten senseless from what I see. None the less, it shouldn't have happened at all.
Would like to see the whole situation from start to end, without any editing etc before judging what actually happened.

What worked decently for us, was to grab the kid(s) in question, drag them to their parents/some adult iraqi and tell the adult what the kid did, which often resulted in the kid getting a beating or shouted at by the adult.

Easy to say from home, while not knowing the situation at all.

Well from what I can tell of your post, you have been out there, so your word is as good as it comes. Not disagreeing with what your saying here, just curious, did you often find uncooperative parents or parents who agreed with their kids had done?

Anyways this thread looks like it could be nice Away for 5 days on security guard training now >< gives it some time to mature before my next read

 

[Doom]

of all the shit going on in the world, what made you bring up this?

 

[Aada]

of all the shit going on in the world, what made you bring up this?

I was in the Army at the very start of the war and also did 4 months tour peace keeping.

Beating kids is not a common thing it only happens when they have done something really fucking bad i mean comon guys the camera man didn't even show the start of what actually happened.

My unit was in a little post like that and kids used to chuck fucking grenades over all the time yes grenades not stones!

Ive never actually been involved in beating people tbh i can't bring myself to do it, but ive seen/watched it happen and i can assure you the kids are not innocent at all.

I don't agree with beatings either but some Soldiers get so pissed off with being away from family while they are supposedly trying to make a better country.

mean while when you are on patrol your not afraid of suicide bombers its the fucking lynch mob of normally about 20-40 people following you around waiting to fucking beat you to death just for your fucking boots.

The Iraqies are not innocent at all if there is a gun fight or any sign of trouble they don't try to help at all they fucking join in and try to kill you! ive had rocks/stones thrown at me while walking by and i cannot do a thing about it except fucking grit my teeth and walk on.

You people have no idea what its actually like out there do you? you only get shown what the media/goverments want you to see and the majority of you take the bait every time.

 

[Aoln]

hahaha that camera man was hilarious, made me lol

 

[~Latency~]

Bit harsh but you don't see the whole story

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

I was in the Army at the very start of the war and also did 4 months tour peace keeping.

Beating kids is not a common thing it only happens when they have done something really fucking bad i mean comon guys the camera man didn't even show the start of what actually happened.

My unit was in a little post like that and kids used to chuck fucking grenades over all the time yes grenades not stones!

Ive never actually been involved in beating people tbh i can't bring myself to do it, but ive seen/watched it happen and i can assure you the kids are not innocent at all.

I don't agree with beatings either but some Soldiers get so pissed off with being away from family while they are supposedly trying to make a better country.

mean while when you are on patrol your not afraid of suicide bombers its the fucking lynch mob of normally about 20-40 people following you around waiting to fucking beat you to death just for your fucking boots.

The Iraqies are not innocent at all if there is a gun fight or any sign of trouble they don't try to help at all they fucking join in and try to kill you! ive had rocks/stones thrown at me while walking by and i cannot do a thing about it except fucking grit my teeth and walk on.

You people have no idea what its actually like out there do you? you only get shown what the media/goverments want you to see and the majority of you take the bait every time.

I don't wanna sound rude and all but you're the one who chose to go join the army. What did you expect your job to be?
At the moment you subscribe you know you can be sent to area's like this. It's not summercamp, it's war!

Even so if the little buggers threw grenades over the fence, if you can pick 'em up to beat em you can also pick 'em up and throw 'em in POW jail.

and no indeed I have no idea what it is like over there, but I did have enough of an idea not to join up (and I really seriously thought about it) 'cos I knew it wasn't something for me.
If you can't stand the heat, don't play with fire.

 

[Amanita]

tbh guys, war is ugly and basically what the soldiers are doing over there is viewed by so many iraqis as an invasion force holding their territory.

Neither side are on the right here, and what you've seen has (quite correctly too) shocked you but thats the horrible reality of war and those beatings certainly aren't the worst thing to be done by either side of the conflict.

Those soldiers are out there, lives on the line and if someone's just shot at you at your buddies you're not going to subdue them and offer them a cup of tea and some crumpets not matter how English your upbringing was.

That camera man was a bit funny though ^^ I think he enjoyed that a bit too much

 

[Pirkel]

Clueless I guess. SAudis sit on 50% of the known oil resources, and as we all know saudi is a very unstable country with a prowestern dictatorship (supported by the democracies) and a very fundamentalistic view on religion.
Not only does oil power our cars. But its like 70% of food production aswell. Pesticides are made from oil. Machinery is produced with oil, and they use oil as fuel. All wrapping is made of plastic which is also created from oil.
This leads to...
If oil prices explode food prices will explode. Our society are so dependent on oil that if the oil producing contries decide that they want alot they really have us in a nasty grib. Oil resources wont last for thousands of years

You call me clueless? That's rich.

Well if you're so smart go get the dictionary from your dad's bookshelf and look up what the word "sarcasm" means.

You just made the point I was trying to make a tad more subtle... thanks moron.

 

[Pirkel]

You people have no idea what its actually like out there do you? you only get shown what the media/goverments want you to see and the majority of you take the bait every time.

Respect to you

 

[Blackjack]

Let me start off by saying. Ohh my god that cameraman is crazy.
This sort of thing is tricky to deal with. No, i do not aprove of beating "civilians".
But what you must understand is the pressure on these soldiers. Every single day they wake up thinking "This could be my last day" They see their friends get hurt and they hear bullets whisteling past their ears. Do you think the soldiers on the ground give a fuck about oil? trust me, they don't. They care about the man next to them and getting home to their family in 1 piece. Their job is to make Iraq a better place. And what do they get in return? A brick in their face.
There is a very thin line between "combatant" and "civilian" on the streets of Iraq. The stress, the anger, the fear. the constant pressure will drive you to a state where someone throwing a brick at you might be just what puts you in the zone where a beating seems just'.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Anyone notice my question got sidewinded like in the media?

Guess it's not about asking questions, but about questions people aprove.

 

[Blackjack]

Anyone notice my question got sidewinded like in the media?

Guess it's not about asking questions, but about questions people aprove.

Well the "who deserves what" question doesn't quite cover the intire aspect of what happened. This picture can not be painted in black and white