Football The 2015/2016 Season Thread

[DaGaffer]

Reading the United response to Real's statement about De Gea...I believe United. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a United fan. It was something in Real's original statement that made no sense: “United did not open any channel of negotiation for De Gea until yesterday morning.”
Eh? Why would United "open a channel of negotiation" about anything? Real were the ones who needed to do that by making a formal offer, which they hadn't done until that point.

It also turns out the FA have evidence United completed the paperwork in good time and the FIFA Transfer Matching System wasn't closed as Real said it was. If I was David De Gea I'd be looking very closely at Real's actions yesterday, because I reckon they fucked him over to avoid a transfer fee.

 

[soze]

And I bet he knew it would happen and half that fee will be a signing bonus.

 

[Scouse]

£21 million net spend.

Ah well.

 

[CorNokZ]

£21 million net spend.

Ah well.

According to transfermarkt you end up at -£16.5 mil. Not too bad, considering you bought Benteke for an insane amount

 

[Raven]

But it doesn't take into account the players they sold at a loss.

Net spend is 120odd over the last 3 seasons.

For reference

Chelsea's net spend is 83mil over 3 seasons.

 

[Scouse]

After asset strippers and with one of the smallest squads in the league?

 

[soze]

And Chelsea with a squad they have spent £1 billion on non comparable.

 

[Raven]

Liverpool squad 38 roughly 132mil wages
Chelsea squad 34 roughly 176mil wages

 

[Raven]

And Chelsea with a squad they have spent £1 billion on non comparable.

Rubbish. You can go back 10 years and see that Liverpool have been massive spenders. They just have a habit of buying huge flops for lots of money. Rogers alone has spent nearly 300million.

They sold 2 players for 80odd and 49 million too, spanked that income right up the wall.

 

[soze]

Rubbish. You can go back 10 years and see that Liverpool have been massive spenders. They just have a habit of buying huge flops for lots of money. Rogers alone has spent nearly 300million.

They sold 2 players for 80odd and 49 million too, spanked that income right up the wall.

It is not rubbish. Chelsea have spent well for 3 years the 10 before that they spent £1b. It is like buying Messi, Ronaldo, Bale and Neymar this year and next year saying we only spent £5m you guys waste so much money. Liverpool do buy shit but between arrival and winning the CL he spent £1b on Chelsea and they have not lost all of their best players so it is not the same as Liverpool.

 

[Scouse]

Yep - and raven deliberately missed the point that liverpools spend was fixing the smallest squad after asset strippers nearly ended the club. Fixed now - but the wages he provided show the gulf in quality between the sides. And that's because chelski are spending on topping up from a position of strength, not rebuilding from near liquidation...

 

[soze]

Liverpool had a game day squad that cost them £178.6m with one home grown player in it this weekend. Chelsea had a game day squad that cost £267.3m with one homegrown player in it. So they may have spent less recently but the squad is hardly done on a shoe string.

Spoiler

13 Courtois     6
  02 Ivanovic     9
  05 Zouma     12.5
  24 Cahill      7
  28 Azpilicueta    7
  04 Fàbregas     30
  21 Matic      21
  17 Pedro     21.4
  22 Willian      30
  10 Hazard     32
  19 Diego Costa   32

Substitutes

  01 Begovic     8
  06 Baba     17.6
  09 Falcao     Loan
  12 Mikel     17
  16 Kenedy     6.3
  18 Remy     10.5
  36 Loftus-Cheek   Youth Team

       267.3


  22 Mignolet     10
  02 Clyne Booked   12.5
  37 Skrtel     6.5
  06 Lovren     20
  12 Gomez     3.5
  23 Can     10
  21 Lucas      6
  07 Milner     Free
  11 Firmino      29
  09 Benteke     32.5
  10 Coutinho    8.5

Substitutes

  17 Sakho     18
  18 Moreno     12
  27 Origi     10
  28 Ings     Tribunal  
  33 Ibe     0.5
  34 Bogdan     Free
  46 Rossiter     Youth Team

       178.6

 

[soze]

Arsenal were £175m helped by the fact Ozil did not play. But I could not find figures for Bellerin or Coquelin so that is not 100%. And City where over £300m.

 

[soze]

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...remier-league-transfer-window-net-spend-table

 

[Embattle]

While we all know your usual answer to spending etc, which like many Liverpool fans seem to ignore you own tendency to spend, here are some basic figures for the Net Spends over the last few years during the Brendan Era 2012-Present:

Chelsea (£152,159,000) - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/chelsea/english-football-teams/chelsea-transfers
Liverpool (£137,280,000) - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/liverpool/english-football-teams/liverpool-transfers

Firstly they aren't as far away as many deluded Liverpool fans would like and considering our higher revenue and success that £15m is small change, gets even worse if you exclude our biggest sale (Luiz £40m) and yours (Luis £65m) during that period.

While most managers agree the window should be closed before the season starts whinging like Roberto won't change the fact the transfer window is active now and thus increased offers are always going to happen.

As stated early in this thread, no need to retype it or do a Liverpool and go all the way back to when they mattered in the top flight to acknowledge that we've spent more in the last 10 years or to say we've been more successful in that time naturally.

As for Arsenal you really are a tragic case, every few years you really need to reinforce some area on the pitch and you utterly fail to spend in that area ultimately so you are always short of 1-2 players every year.

 

[soze]

As for Arsenal you really are a tragic case, every few years you really need to reinforce some area on the pitch and you utterly fail to spend in that area ultimately so you are always short of 1-2 players every year.

Sadly as has been said the club are very happy to be there or there abouts. If we lose the top 4 we will spend I would bet. While we stay in the top 4 we are happy to keep existing rather than risking everything to chase the league.

 

[Lethul]

Sadly as has been said the club are very happy to be there or there abouts. If we lose the top 4 we will spend I would bet. While we stay in the top 4 we are happy to keep existing rather than risking everything to chase the league.

It is a bit sad tho, cause now it feels like City and Chelsea will just outspend everyone to the title every year. And Arsenal has been so close so many times. Often felt like you would only need 1 more kwalitee player and you would have a shot at the title, but never seemed to buy that player. When Arsene finally started buying a bit more established players the money clubs had widened the gap. Would have loved to see Arsenal take a title instead of Utd/City/Chelsea.

 

[caLLous]

 

[CorNokZ]

REAL MADrid

top kek. 0 (ZERO) trophies

 

[Raven]

Sunderland, 132mil.

Swansea, 81mil.

yolo

 

[caLLous]

It should be noted that the Prem figures are probably the sums of the sterling transfer amounts for each club converted by today's (or a recent) Euro rate which will skew the figures against the other leagues. Still, Liverpool has a more expensive squad than Bayern, tehe.

 

[Trem]

It is a bit sad tho, cause now it feels like City and Chelsea will just outspend everyone to the title every year. And Arsenal has been so close so many times. Often felt like you would only need 1 more kwalitee player and you would have a shot at the title, but never seemed to buy that player. When Arsene finally started buying a bit more established players the money clubs had widened the gap. Would have loved to see Arsenal take a title instead of Utd/City/Chelsea.

Sanchez is that quality player last season, then ozil, what about Walcott. They have the one quality player and this season everyone was saying cech would be the one signing they need to win the league. That still stands surely this early in the season?

They want a world class striker, apparently they wouldn't pay the 50 million PSG wanted for Cavani and rightly so.

 

[Raven]

lol...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34135432

We are bad...but not that bad.

 

[Lethul]

Sanchez is that quality player last season, then ozil, what about Walcott. They have the one quality player and this season everyone was saying cech would be the one signing they need to win the league. That still stands surely this early in the season?

They want a world class striker, apparently they wouldn't pay the 50 million PSG wanted for Cavani and rightly so.

Im talking earlier than that, wasnt it 2-3 years before Özil it feelt like; put a world class DM in this team and they will win. When they bought Özil they had already startened to worsen imo! And then add the fact that Özil is way to lazy for PL.

This is my memory of Arsenal

 

[Shagrat]

lol...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34135432

We are bad...but not that bad.

lol it's such a shit system isn't it.

 

[Trem]

Im talking earlier than that, wasnt it 2-3 years before Özil it feelt like; put a world class DM in this team and they will win. When they bought Özil they had already startened to worsen imo! And then add the fact that Özil is way to lazy for PL.

This is my memory of Arsenal

Ozil (I can't do that thing above the O ) was awesome his first game for them, I only remember that because he scored loads of points in Fantasy, and I remember the fuss made because he came to the PL and what a world class star he is etc. But yes, he is too idle. Sanchez isn't, he is superb and last seasons best signing by any club but if he doesn't bang in the goals this season Arsenal will need to strengthen in January.

Likewise Chelsea if Costa doesn't improve and Hazard carries on being a flid.

 

[Scouse]

Net spend please. Only figure that counts.

And with LFC having a more expensive squad than bayern, so what? Bayern, like Barca and Madrid, get practically automatic qualufication into the money spinning champions league every year.

That way it's easier to attract the top players. Whereas in the PL we've six teams going for four spots and the difference between them and the others in the leage is less pronounced.

 

[Bodhi]

To be fair to Liverpool, for all their issues they are top of the Amusing Parody Accounts League on Twitter.

Yes Deluded Brendan I'm looking at you.

 

[caLLous]

Welbeck is out for "a period of months" after having knee surgery. When Arsenal themselves say "a period of months" that must mean a couple of seasons at least.

 

[soze]

Already been out for 5 months while they tried to avoid surgery so it does not sound like surgery will be a quick fix. If he is back in 2 months it will mean we wasted 3 letting him try to recover so I expect it will be at least another 5 months.