Football The 2014/2015 Season Thread

[Hawkwind]

Would not cost anything to put the players in touch with reputable financial advisers or have them come into the and give advice. They would be falling over themselves to get into the clubs.

 

[Hawkwind]

lol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30031405

OMFG! What a joke!

 

[DaGaffer]

Would not cost anything to put the players in touch with reputable financial advisers or have them come into the and give advice. They would be falling over themselves to get into the clubs.

Agents handle their money. I'm fairly certain most of them have accountants.

 

[Hawkwind]

Agents handle their money. I'm fairly certain most of them have accountants.

But not the same advice as a financial planner. They should get people in so they can make informed decisions. Not let some agents do everything. It would be in the best interests of the players. Can't honestly see any downside for the clubs. Having players that are more financially aware and hopefully more responsible about their future.

 

[caLLous]

What's this? @Raven saying something and then pretending he meant something else after somebody called him on it? I for one am shocked.

 

[Raven]

Nope, just someone else unable to see context. This time even clearer than your confusion.

 

[Raven]

The plot thickens

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30037729

I think FIFA are just trolling now, everyone knows they are corrupt, they know they are corrupt.

 

[Ch3tan]

The plot thickens

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30037729

I think FIFA are just trolling now, everyone knows they are corrupt, they know they are corrupt.

The quote from Garcia is pretty damning.

In an unexpected twist, lawyer Michael Garcia says the report "contains numerous materially incomplete and erroneous representations of the facts and conclusions".

 

[DaGaffer]

But not the same advice as a financial planner. They should get people in so they can make informed decisions. Not let some agents do everything. It would be in the best interests of the players. Can't honestly see any downside for the clubs. Having players that are more financially aware and hopefully more responsible about their future.

Sports agents like IMG or Octagon in the US look after their clients' whole lives, tax, investments the lot. It makes more sense than the clubs getting involved because these days players are far more likely to change club than they are agent.

 

[DaGaffer]

What's this? @Raven saying something and then pretending he meant something else after somebody called him on it? I for one am shocked.

He literally doesn't know what the words he writes actually mean. It's like dyslexia, but, you know, with added fuckwittery.

 

[Raven]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Look, its not hard, its really rather simple.

Megadave said,

The number of former players who declare bankruptcy is incredible, David James being the latest.

I said

They don't get nearly enough support from their clubs. You can't chuck 100 grand a week at a 20something and expect them to learn how to be responsible with their money.

Where can you possibly get that I think the clubs should be responsible for players personal finance from that? It is a factual comment. They don't get nearly enough support. That is a simple fact, not an opinion, there is no other possible way of reading it. I offered no opinion one way or the other that they should or should not get help from clubs, managers, agents, mums, local barman.

The second part of the quote is also a factual statement, you cannot give what is essentially a manchild who has not even had to tie his shoelaces since puberty £100k a week and expect him to be sensible with it, it just wont happen.

On reflection, yes maybe the club should help guide their young players, many clubs do just that but at the end of the day it is up to the player, nobody can hold their hand all the time.

ffs, I am utterly amazed at how dumb you are being

 

[DaGaffer]

Because you fail at the English language. "They don't get enough support from their clubs" has a very clear inference, otherwise why single out the clubs specifically? Forums are conversations; people generally don't write in declarative statements in the same way they don't talk in declarative statements, so while technically you claim you were just stating a fact with no need for any further discussion, its not how forums work.

 

[Raven]

And back again to context. look at it and learn from it.

Regardless of the medium, context is key. It is a backwards and forwards conversation, you need to look at it as a whole.

I really don't know why I am having to attempt to teach you how to use your native language and frankly I have better things to be doing but its pretty frustrating being told I said one thing (You initially claimed I had some sort of emotional attachment to whether they get help from their club or not) when I said something entirely different (not even giving an opinion one way or the other) its just so damn retarded.

I know some people are so massively pleased with themselves all the time and think they know it all, it can be tricky to point out when they are wrong but narcissistic personality disorders are narcissistic personality disorders. Prime example.

I am wasting my time because you are incapable of accepting that you got the wrong end of the stick and this is a complete waste of everyone's time. so meh...carry on if you wish.

 

[DaGaffer]

And back again to context. look at it and learn from it.

Regardless of the medium, context is key. It is a backwards and forwards conversation, you need to look at it as a whole.

I really don't know why I am having to attempt to teach you how to use your native language and frankly I have better things to be doing but its pretty frustrating being told I said one thing (You initially claimed I had some sort of emotional attachment to whether they get help from their club or not) when I said something entirely different (not even giving an opinion one way or the other) its just so damn retarded.

I know some people are so massively pleased with themselves all the time and think they know it all, it can be tricky to point out when they are wrong but narcissistic personality disorders are narcissistic personality disorders. Prime example.

I am wasting my time because you are incapable of accepting that you got the wrong end of the stick and this is a complete waste of everyone's time. so meh...carry on if you wish.

Ffs. This: "They don't get enough support from their clubs" is an opinion. You claim it is a fact but its an opinion (look it up). An opinion I took issue with. If I got the wrong end of the stick its because you don't know how to write.

 

[Vae]

Frankly DaGaffer is right and Raven is wrong. In English "They don't get enough support from their clubs" clearly implies that the club should be providing more support.

 

[Billargh]

 

[Ch3tan]

Can we move on now? Cluster fuck for fifa and we are debating semantics.

 

[Corran]

Fifa in "we talk shit and cover our own arses" shocker!

Funny to see the investigator call them on it, wonder how much of a backhander this supposedly independent adjudicator of a German judge took.

 

[Hawkwind]

FIFA will do nothing, smear the detractors and carry on like nothing is wrong. The organisation is corrupt from top to bottom and the only way it will change is if member associations quit. If even 10 of the bigger football nations quit FIFA membership and form their own system it would probably be enough to force change. FIFA does not have a right to the sport itself they did not invent it.

 

[Bodhi]

The thing I don't understand is, why is Fifas conduct being investigated by Fifa? How can anyone ever possibly agree to this and decide that it sounds sensible?

Oh yeah. Because Fifa.

 

[georgie]

http://news.sky.com/story/1372437/fifa-corruption-probe-undermined-by-author

A FIFA investigation into corruption allegations against Qatar's World Cup bid has descended into chaos after the man responsible for compiling it said a published summary was factually wrong and misrepresented his conclusions.

 

[Olgaline]

Funny, C.E is easily the best ranked Spurs, player according to squawka, yet they keep "saving him" in cup games and pulling him out in PL :/
http://www.squawka.com/football-pla...08/2014#14/11/2014#season#1#all-matches#total

 

[Ch3tan]

He was shit the last game, and he seems to run out of steam... fitness issue?

 

[Himse]

He was shit the last game, and he seems to run out of steam... fitness issue?

Or just playing with shit

 

[Scouse]

Where can you possibly get that I think the clubs should be responsible for players personal finance from that?

Erm...

They don't get nearly enough support from their clubs

That doesn't imply the clubs have responsibility - it clearly states it.



/endofargument

Edit: Yeah yeah - I hadn't read the rest of the posts before I posted this. But semantics is the study of meaning, and it's an argument about meaning - so "an argument about semantics" doesn't mean "a pointless argument"

 

[megadave]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ve-new-Fifa-report-go-and-give-them-hell.html

 

[Bodhi]

Erm...



That doesn't imply the clubs have responsibility - it clearly states it.



/endofargument

Edit: Yeah yeah - I hadn't read the rest of the posts before I posted this. But semantics is the study of meaning, and it's an argument about meaning - so "an argument about semantics" doesn't mean "a pointless argument"

It only clearly states it if that's what you wanted Raven to say to support your argument. But I read that as it's still the player's responsibility, but the clubs should offer more help.

 

[Embattle]

Just what Garcia thinks is wrong in Eckert's report is not yet clear, but he said he intended to appeal to Fifa.

Eckert responded: "I'm surprised, not shocked. I'm a long time in the job here. I don't think anything surprises me."

Well he certainly hasn't surprised any one else which such a reply.

 

[caLLous]

It's getting serious. Although I'd prefer to have Garcia releasing the report himself (with any of that confidential stuff redacted), completely separate from FIFA to prevent them from fucking about with it a second time.

 

[miri]

The Five Live podcast on it was really interesting, though the cynic in me does wonder if it's not just slightly less crooked old bastards pointed the finger and more crooked old bastards when it comes to the FA vs. FIFA. With that said, only good can come from FIFA being forced to stop being so inclusive and thinking they can just get away with anything and everything.