Football The 2012 / 2013 Season Thread

[Embattle]

Any good? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19366944

 

[megadave]

We've signed that rightback fella who's name nobody can spell or pronounce.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Yeah he's decent.

 

[gunner440]

Signing a player nowadays means the transfer fee is almost insignificant. Where £90k was once considered sky-high in football terms, this is the money a benchwarmer at Liverpool can be getting. I have no doubt that a £50m transfer fee can be done by Arsenal but the main problem would be the wage demands of a player of that 'calibre' would be demanding.

Let's take Robin's recent transfer as an example. I don't have exact figures but I hope these are roughly in line.

Transfer fee: £25m (let's assume it's a lump sum instead of the £5m cash + £20m over 4 years which gets listed in the papers as £25m)
Wages: £150k per week (£7.8m a year, £31.2m over 4 years).
Total cost: £56.7m

The transfer fee is insignificant almost. It's the cash injection to be able to afford the extra £150k a week on top of all the other squad plus the XYZ costs that Arsenal can't do. As for reinvesting, remember we don't tend to remember that contract renewals are quite significant. I'm assuming Wilshere still isn't on the same wage he was on before when he was just breaking into the first team. Szczesny as well.

I remember Mourinho once being criticised over Carvalho's transfer fee (~£20m I think? and that was quite high at the time, especially for a defender) and his response was that the guy's wage demands were next to nothing (I remember a figure of £45k a week mentioned, don't quote me on it though). Taking into account:

Transfer fee: £20m
Wages: £45k per week (£2.3m a year, £6.9m over 3 years)
Total cost: £26.9m

I know the numbers aren't fully sourced but I hope my point comes across. The transfer fee nowadays is loose change. From a club's financial point of view, it's very rare that a player would want to renew a contract and take a lower wage, so with today's wages taken into account I'd say the value obtained by the club isn't so much the money that comes in from the transfer but the ability to clear a wage from the books, freeing up more of the cash earned per week.

 

[cHodAX]

Signing a player nowadays means the transfer fee is almost insignificant. Where £90k was once considered sky-high in football terms, this is the money a benchwarmer at Liverpool can be getting. I have no doubt that a £50m transfer fee can be done by Arsenal but the main problem would be the wage demands of a player of that 'calibre' would be demanding.

Let's take Robin's recent transfer as an example. I don't have exact figures but I hope these are roughly in line.

Transfer fee: £25m (let's assume it's a lump sum instead of the £5m cash + £20m over 4 years which gets listed in the papers as £25m)
Wages: £150k per week (£7.8m a year, £31.2m over 4 years).
Total cost: £56.7m

The transfer fee is insignificant almost. It's the cash injection to be able to afford the extra £150k a week on top of all the other squad plus the XYZ costs that Arsenal can't do. As for reinvesting, remember we don't tend to remember that contract renewals are quite significant. I'm assuming Wilshere still isn't on the same wage he was on before when he was just breaking into the first team. Szczesny as well.

I remember Mourinho once being criticised over Carvalho's transfer fee (~£20m I think? and that was quite high at the time, especially for a defender) and his response was that the guy's wage demands were next to nothing (I remember a figure of £45k a week mentioned, don't quote me on it though). Taking into account:

Transfer fee: £20m
Wages: £45k per week (£2.3m a year, £6.9m over 3 years)
Total cost: £26.9m

I know the numbers aren't fully sourced but I hope my point comes across. The transfer fee nowadays is loose change. From a club's financial point of view, it's very rare that a player would want to renew a contract and take a lower wage, so with today's wages taken into account I'd say the value obtained by the club isn't so much the money that comes in from the transfer but the ability to clear a wage from the books, freeing up more of the cash earned per week.

Well said.

 

[Raven]

Not every decent player costs 50 million. I am not even a fan of Arsenal and it frustrates the shit out of me, they are so close to being a quality side and have been for years yet they refuse to spend the small amount more that it would take to get there.

 

[gunner440]

Waste of money? Then laugh at Liverpool:

"we offered £2m plus most of his wages. £6m. Liverpool offered £5m + all wages + relocation costs. £12m"

Our papers over here in Spain were quoting wages of £115k a week, just under £6m a year. Put into perspective that he played maybe 4-5 games for Madrid last season. These numbers are nuts.

 

[Embattle]

Not every decent player costs 50 million. I am not even a fan of Arsenal and it frustrates the shit out of me, they are so close to being a quality side and have been for years yet they refuse to spend the small amount more that it would take to get there.

Which has been the case for many years now, just the odd threat of spending in the last few years.

 

[gunner440]

Not every decent player costs 50 million. I am not even a fan of Arsenal and it frustrates the shit out of me, they are so close to being a quality side and have been for years yet they refuse to spend the small amount more that it would take to get there.

It'd be more frustrating to see them go down the road so many other clubs have. We've been earning £5-6m (illustrative purposes) a year but I think in 3 years we'll be earning £9m a year so it's ok to bolt on these players onto our cash flow and eat into our reserves.

3 years later we're earning £4-5m a year and it's starting to look hairy for that piled up cash.

 

[gunner440]

Heh, a bit off-topic but figured it'd be funny. I remember seeing some of the accounts and I think Man City have only recently (as in last season some time) finished paying the ~£7m transfer fee to Boro. No wonder Sir Alex jumped at the £80m CASH for Ronaldo. I really do wish papers would publish the true values of the transfers

 

[megadave]

Yeah he's decent.

I dont know, he's a rightback, we don't do good right backs really.

 

[caLLous]

I think we need another striker even if AVB doesn't. :\

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I think you need 2.

 

[megadave]

If AVB plays a lone striker upfront then they might be alright with Adebayor, Defoe and Kane if they're lucky with injuries and Kane is any good.

 

[Everz]

Three signings to be confirmed by next week according to Jez. Stale to bring some more gems in! Siggy, Tongo and Peszko have been quality so far.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Arsenal have suffered 6 injuries in the last 9 games vs Stoke City.

 

[caLLous]

You should be more careful.

 

[Scouse]

£12m to develop a player for Madrid for him to fuckoff? That's not taking a punt, that's idiocy.

I can't find anything about that. Looks like idle gossip from a bitter Arsenal forum. I typed his name into google and I get this from the mirror:

The former Bundesliga Player of the Year is thought to command £120,000 a week AFTER tax at Real, but Liverpool will pay only half the figure with the rest made up by his parent club.

Spend some cash you cheapskates

 

[cHodAX]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1141248/roberto-mancini:-liverpool-could-lift-the-title

Mancini has lost the fuckin plot.

 

[caLLous]

He's a muppet tbh, I believed him towards the end of last season when he said Utd could win it but he just looks like a bit of a flid saying it about Utd last week and especially with 'pool.

 

[Scouse]

Mancini has lost the fuckin plot.

Or he's playing demotivational mind games right now...

 

[caLLous]

It's utterly pointless doing it so early. Maybe he thinks he is being clever but it's so transparent. Isn't it?

 

[Billargh]

He done a similar thing toward the end of last season though, about how he was 100% sure Man United were going to win the title and City had no chance. He knew, it's just mind games.

 

[Scouse]

It's utterly pointless doing it so early. Maybe he thinks he is being clever but it's so transparent. Isn't it?

I think they all do it all season. It probably affects the weaker-minded players and the ones who obsess with the press.

 

[Reno]

I think they all do it all season. It probably affects the weaker-minded players and the ones who obsess with the press.

That would be about all the players then?

 

[Raven]

Mancini didn't win the premiership, the owners throwing the best part of 300 million at it won the title. Anyone could have won it with the players they have. The man hasn't got a clue and lurched from one fuck up to another last season.

 

[gunner440]

Mancini didn't win the premiership, the owners throwing the best part of 300 million at it won the title. Anyone could have won it with the players they have. The man hasn't got a clue and lurched from one fuck up to another last season.

Are you ok

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Swansea sign Ki Seung-Young from Celtic for £5m, good bit of business that.

Stoke and Spurs can't agree details for Huddlestone's loan.

 

[Bahumat]

Yeah they can't afford to pay for his diet

 

[caLLous]

He's big-boned.