Football The 2010/2011 Season Thread

[Vasconcelos]

Argentina's Messi is nowhere near the level of Barca's Messi.

In fact, he seems like a totally different player. See last worldcup.

 

[megadave]

he was awesome in the world cup though, everything Argentina did went through him, but since he didnt score everyone just looked past his actual performances

 

[Vasconcelos]

he was awesome in the world cup though, everything Argentina did went through him, but since he didnt score everyone just looked past his actual performances

Ehrm awesome?!

I watched all the Argentina games till they got trumped by Germany, and to say Messi was awesome is to say you never watched him at Barca any given weekend.

Considering his level at Barca and the things hes able to do (and im not talking bout his famous goal vs Getafe 'ala Maradona) in a random league game vs lets say Hercules, decent perfomance is being generous when it comes to describe his worldcup.

Messi is the best player of the world... thx to his fellow Barca teamates

 

[megadave]

you're just jelly because he dicks all over Madrid and Ronaldo !

 

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imo messi played well in the worldcup

 

[Marc]

he was awesome in the world cup though, everything Argentina did went through him, but since he didnt score everyone just looked past his actual performances

I said this at the time but because Messi wasnt upto his Barcelona standards I got shot down on here.

 

[Calaen]

I said this at the time but because Messi wasnt upto his Barcelona standards I got shot down on here.

He played to a very high stanard in the world cup, the difference between the two is the fact the people he was playing against are better than the average scrubs playing for the majority of the spanish league teams.

 

[tierk]

Ehrm awesome?!

Can't seem to remember if fugly was even at the last WC, thats how well he played

 

[cHodAX]

I find it highly amusing that so many of you are still hating on Ronaldo when he is on the verge of breaking all modern goal scoring records. The guy is fucking class and his record shows it.

Has Messi been immense this season? Yes, no question. Has Ronaldo been immense this season? Yes, no question. The rest of it is just splitting hairs, instead you all be greatful for being around to watch football in an era where we have two players who have the potential to go down as absolute all time greats.

 

[Embattle]

I find it highly amusing that so many of you are still hating on Ronaldo when he is on the verge of breaking all modern goal scoring records. The guy is fucking class and his record shows it.

Has Messi been immense this season? Yes, no question. Has Ronaldo been immense this season? Yes, no question. The rest of it is just splitting hairs, instead you all be greatful for being around to watch football in an era where we have two players who have the potential to go down as absolute all time greats.

In La Liga, but even though he is a bit of a big girl at times there is no denying he is very good.

As I've said before you need to be great at both club and country to be one of the greats in my opinion which sadly means a few club greats might miss out.

As for the last world cup, I reckon it was rather boring and lacked a lot of good football so the fact certain players didn't shine is no surprise.

 

[cHodAX]

In La Liga, but even though he is a bit of a big girl at times there is no denying he is very good.

As I've said before you need to be great at both club and country to be one of the greats in my opinion which sadly means a few club greats might miss out.

Have you looked at his international record? Portugal have reached a tournament final and semi-final with the lad. Can Messi say the same? Lots of people already consider him an all-time great without any international success so far.

That is the whole problem, just because Ronaldo played for United and winked at the sidelines when playing against England he is judged against a completely different criteria.

Well this is for the haters. He continues to prove you all wrong year after year, the bloke is a special player and without Messi on the scene he would be without doubt the worlds greatest player. He will continue to shine, mark my words, the bloke is a winner.

 

[megadave]

who has he proved wrong exactly?

 

[Marc]

There is no doubting he is the second best player in the world and a countrymile ahead of the 3rd best player, who ever that may be.

 

[bainteor]

Juninho.

There is a difference. Beckham was a world-class player on the pitch too. Probably the best English player I have ever seen (apart from Scholes), although the younger generation do not seem to appreciate this as they didn't see him in the 90s/early 2000s.

Juninho was a great free-kick taker, but what else?

 

[cHodAX]

who has he proved wrong exactly?

All the people who said he was a one trick pony 5-6 years ago, all the people who tried to drive him out of England, all the people on this forum who slagged him off no matter how many he scored or what he won. All the people who said he would not do as well at Real Madrid, those people who said him scoring 43 in a season was a fluke, well fuck you all he has beaten that twice since then.

In short, go fuck yourselves, Ronaldo is brilliant and will continue to be so.

 

[cHodAX]

There is no doubting he is the second best player in the world and a countrymile ahead of the 3rd best player, who ever that may be.

That is the thing, both are brilliant players and this battle could go back and forth for years, right now Messi has the edge but that can change and it would be foolish for us all to think otherwise. Regardless, it is a pleasure to watch them both play, this is what it must have been like to live in the era of Pele, Best and Eusabio.

 

[cHodAX]

There is a difference. Beckham was a world-class player on the pitch too. Probably the best English player I have ever seen (apart from Scholes), although the younger generation do not seem to appreciate this as they didn't see him in the 90s/early 2000s.

Juninho was a great free-kick taker, but what else?

Nah Juninho had a great talent at a young age but never developed it, made bad choices and didn't join the right clubs. As an individual he was much more talented than Beckham and I say that as a big David Beckham fan, the thing is that Beckham was smarter and he exploited the areas of his game where he excelled. He worked incredibly hard to develop himself into a very good all-round footballer and that is why in the end he will be remembered while Juninho will be forgotten. It isn't just about raw talent, it is about work ethic and the intelligence to exploit your gifts.

 

[gohan]

Owen is much more gooderer than both ronaldos and messi

fact

 

[bainteor]

I see your point, but I disagree. Because Juninho is Brazilian and Beckham is English people assume that the Brazilian has more talent. What is talent? Juninho was probably more skillfull than Beckham, but that doesn't mean he was more talented. In my view Beckham was much more talented; he certainly had better vision and range of passing. But that is just my opinion.

 

[gohan]

I see your point, but I disagree. Because Juninho is Brazilian and Beckham is English people assume that the Brazilian has more talent. What is talent? Juninho was probably more skillfull than Beckham, but that doesn't mean he was more talented. In my view Beckham was much more talented; he certainly had better vision and range of passing. But that is just my opinion.

ye but u think carrick is good

 

[Embattle]

Have you looked at his international record? Portugal have reached a tournament final and semi-final with the lad. Can Messi say the same? Lots of people already consider him an all-time great without any international success so far.

That is the whole problem, just because Ronaldo played for United and winked at the sidelines when playing against England he is judged against a completely different criteria.

Well this is for the haters. He continues to prove you all wrong year after year, the bloke is a special player and without Messi on the scene he would be without doubt the worlds greatest player. He will continue to shine, mark my words, the bloke is a winner.

Well either I've failed to explain myself properly or in your rush to bash your fingers against your keyboard like a monkey you failed to read my post as intended or remember what I've said in the past.

I've never claimed Messi is a great, yet. What I also said in my previous post applies to Messi as well as a number of other people hailed greats but I have much higher standards for what I would consider a great.

I also tend to think that wink was deemed perhaps as the pinnacle of why people hate him but it was and never has been the sole reason.

PS I also credit Ronaldo with one thing over Messi, he played in a more competitive league and won.

 

[Embattle]

I see your point, but I disagree. Because Juninho is Brazilian and Beckham is English people assume that the Brazilian has more talent. What is talent? Juninho was probably more skillfull than Beckham, but that doesn't mean he was more talented. In my view Beckham was much more talented; he certainly had better vision and range of passing. But that is just my opinion.

Beckham got commercialised and his football suffered badly about the same time he left Man U, he started well but suffered a massive dip and prolonged in the middle.

 

[bainteor]

ye but u think carrick is good

I know a great player when I've seen one, I am convinced about Carrick. I've seen players like Socrates, Savicevic and Xavi at his age and they were around the same level. You can quote me on this - Carrick will become a great player .

 

[cHodAX]

Owen is much more gooderer than both ronaldos and messi

fact

Good bloke Micheal Owen, shame his career was blighted.

 

[cHodAX]

I see your point, but I disagree. Because Juninho is Brazilian and Beckham is English people assume that the Brazilian has more talent. What is talent? Juninho was probably more skillfull than Beckham, but that doesn't mean he was more talented. In my view Beckham was much more talented; he certainly had better vision and range of passing. But that is just my opinion.

No, I was fortunate to see them both live on many occasions, Juninho with the ball at his feet was a master, he could do things with the ball that Becks could only dream of. For two years he was the most technically gifted footballer in our league, ahead of Cantona, Ginola, Giggs, Zola and Bergkamp. He made bad choices though and instead of developing his talent he gradually let it slip away.

 

[Marc]

Juninho had more natural ability that Beckham but never quite fulfilled his promise. On his day he was unplayable, but then so was Beckham before he turned gay.

 

[bainteor]

Our league? Which Juninho are you referring to? I am referring to the one that played for Lyon.

 

[Corran]

Well on the Busquets front... seems I was correct in the "Not enough evidence" prediction and them not taking action. lol
...

He be talking about Middlesborough? Juninho at a guess

 

[megadave]

I'd say Beckham was a better player, Juninho is just better at freekicks. He's the best in the world at them imo.

 

[gohan]

Good bloke Micheal Owen, shame his career was blighted.

i was reading today about his england career and that, he's the all time top scorer for competative goals 7th most capped players and has 40 goals overall (49 is record)



he hasnt played for england since he was 27 :<

imagine what he would have done without injury and playing into his twilight beckham esq