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might be they used seated capacity, afaik they have a lot of standing areas in the bundesliga?
 
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megadave said:
A lot of clubs could fill bigger stadiums tbh.
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Bollocks.

Look at the attendance figures, most clubs in the league don't get anywhere near capacity, certainly not consistently. Then look historically, the gap only gets larger going back to the start of the Premier League.
 
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all right then, 6-7 clubs could easily, assuming they sort out ticket prices, Wolves included
 
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Stadium size makes a huge difference. This isn't a Wolves arguement so I dunno why we are featuring.

In this current climate cho, is Newcastle bigger then Chelsea.
 
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The highest attendance recorded at Old Trafford was 76,962 for an FA Cup semi-final between Wolverhampton Wanderers and Grimsby Town on 25 March 1939.

Cho?
 
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only 76k ? weak, Stamford Bridge has had more than 100k more than once :p
 
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Highest Villa Park attendance was 76,588 in the FA Cup in 1946, at home to Derby County. I wouldn't have liked to have been in a queue at half time for a pie and a pint. According to Wikipedia the highest attendance at Stamford Bridge was 82,905 for a home game against Arsenal in 1935.

Crazy attendances, no (or at least, limited) seating and yet most matches seemed to have gone off okay without people being trampled to death. What gives?
 
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Everz said:
Stadium size makes a huge difference. This isn't a Wolves arguement so I dunno why we are featuring.

In this current climate cho, is Newcastle bigger then Chelsea.
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Newcastle have been a vastly better supported club than Chelsea for a very long time, what makes Chelsea a bigger club currently is the investment by a Russian sugardaddy and not just the spending power of the fans. You all need to step back and look at the numbers, Arsenal are a very big club because they have a large support who are prepared to pay very high prices. The same can be said of Chelsea and Spuds to a degree, after that the rest of the London clubs don't generate anything like the revenue because they don't fill the stadia week in week out and they don't have fanbases anywhere near as large as those other clubs pumping in cash for merchandise/services etc.

Now to Liverpool, it is going to be very very interesting to see the revenue numbers for next season with no European football. Yes the Torres sale skews the numbers somewhat, especially on wages I would imagine. Anfield was not full for every game this season though, Mersyside has suffered quite badly from the recession and the fanbase are struggling to keep up with ticket prices as it is, if you want a ticket for a Liverpool game you can get one and so that suggests that demand is not outstripping supply. Therefore a bigger stadium is not always going to be full in much the same way that Eastlands is rarely at full capacity for City, this begs the question 'do Liverpool actually need a new stadium or do they just need much bigger facilities for corporate clients?'. From speaking to friends it does indeed seem that Liverpool are not even close to maximising on that segment, look at United or Arsenal to see how much revenue can be increased from those activities.

Now don't get me wrong, Liverpool are a very big club with a brilliant history but they have not grown over the decades unlike United/Arsenal/Chelsea and much of the reason for that is no long term investment unlike those three clubs just mentioned. They have a strong fanbase worldwide and yet they are not maximising on it, the numbers do not lie, Dalgish might like to imagine they are the biggest club in the land but the truth is that they are not and never were. In attendances, revenue, fanbase or net worth they are not even close. Trophies yes, stunning record, board level managment at the club have so far failed to maximise or even grow the club despite a wonderful on-pitch legacy.

As for Wolves, alot of potential as a club due to them historically being a big somewhat nationally and very much so regionally, again though so far they have not maximised or exploited thier location, fanbase or commerical operations anywhere close to full effectiveness. That can be said of many clubs in the Premier League though, most overspend but actually under-invest in the areas that actually grow the club as a business longterm. Growing the club in that manner gives you the revenue to start building a team built for success, you have to exploit the areas where you are strong but also recognise your weaknesses as a business and address those head on.
 
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To add to that, from my perspective I saw how Martin Edwards and co turned United around in the early 90's, rebuilt and increased the size of the stadium but also chased the corporate hospitality side of the business long before many others. We built a huge amount of facilities into the new areas of the stadium, invested in restaurants and a hotel close-by, even tried to get a casino up and running because Manchester is very much lacking in that area and a top class casino would have generated alot of revenue. Always they were looking forward, increasing revenue year on year and then ploughing those profits into even better facilities along with strengthening the squad. The PLC is sorely missed in that regard, debt free and highly aggressive at persuing new markets. This lot from the states are crap, we have massive support in Asia and yet in 6 years they have failed to grow that business to anywhere near adequate levels over there. We have seen growth but could have done so much more.
 
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Well if he isn't happy I am sure we will be more than ready to take him back. ;)
 
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chodax said:
As for Wolves, alot of potential as a club due to them historically being a big somewhat nationally and very much so regionally, again though so far they have not maximised or exploited thier location, fanbase or commerical operations anywhere close to full effectiveness. That can be said of many clubs in the Premier League though, most overspend but actually under-invest in the areas that actually grow the club as a business longterm. Growing the club in that manner gives you the revenue to start building a team built for success, you have to exploit the areas where you are strong but also recognise your weaknesses as a business and address those head on.
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Plans were announced in May 2010 to begin an extensive multi-million pound programme of redevelopment to enlarge the stadium's capacity and develop its facilities. A full application for planning permission was submitted in September 2010,and granted three months later.

Phase 1 - of this process is scheduled to begin in Summer 2011 with the demolition of the Stan Cullis Stand to be replaced with a new two-tier stand (seating 7,700), complete with megastore, museum, café, hospitality facilities and video screen, that will be opened for the 2012–13 season. The stand will extend around into the north east corner – currently open space – to house away fans in this spot. Stadium capacity at the end of this phase will be approximately 31,700.

The final decision to begin the work was confirmed in February 2011, meaning work will begin with the existing stand being demolished immediately after the present season's conclusion. This phase, costing an estimated £16 million, will be carried out by contractors, the Buckingham Group. During this redevelopment period, stadium capacity will be temporarily reduced to approximately 23,995.

Phase 2 - will be the rebuilding of the Steve Bull Stand over a two-season period (2012–13 and 2013–14), scheduled to be fully completed for the 2014–15 season (although some areas may already be available to fans during the 2013–14 season). When finished, this will increase stadium capacity to around 36,000 and see the stand connected to the new Stan Cullis Stand. The stand will feature numerous corporate and hospitality facilities to help increase non-matchday business. Proceeding with this second stage would raise the redevelopment spend to in excess of £40 million.

Phase 3 - is subject to demand and finance, but is planned to be the construction of a new top-tier on the Jack Harris Stand, that will connect it to the new Steve Bull Stand. This would bring capacity up to around 38,000.

Phase 4 - is a tentative plan to completely redevelop the Billy Wright Stand in a move that would bring capacity to 50,000. However, no planning permission will yet be sought for this phase and it remains only a potential, rather than planned, development with no timeframe in place.

Am we going down the right route eh? :p.
 
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Everz said:
Go back 20 years and we were redeveloping the Molineux to what it currently is now :p?
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Expanding capacity and adding basic corporate facilities is not the same as what has been done at the Emirates, Stamford Bridge or Old Trafford. Those three clubs pull in tens of millions in extra revenue from those facilities and services. Molineux is nice, they did good work but be honest now, did that work done really grow the club? More than a decade as a championship club and scraping by suggests otherwise, your hardcore was there and always are but the revenue from corporate facilities was not otherwise you would have constantly been in the black and had the cash to get out and stay out of that league.
 
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cHodAX said:
£100 million cash reserve, yes we can. :p
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You couldnt afford the £10m to buy VDV from that supposed "cash reserve", what makes you think youd pay £80m for the second best footballer in the world? v0v :D
 
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