Football The 2010/2011 Season Thread

[cHodAX]

And i maybe wrong but im sure Glaziers slowly built up their shares but everyone assumed that BSKYB guy would get them?

No you are wrong bud. The failed Sky deal was many years before, the Glazers took over in 2005 iirc but the PLC existed for 10+ years before that. The big shareholders were a couple of Irish blokes who drove the price of the shares up, made it look like they would launch a takeover and then sold to the Glazers at a massively inflated price.

 

[Ch3tan]

Madrid and Barca are nothing like English clubs, they are based on th esporting club model.

Badly worded does not even begin to describe your post, I'm not angry, I just think you haven't got a clue what you wrote, or the timeline. You are comparing things that have no direct relation.

Just checked, Roman bought you guys in June 03, Glazer began buying Utd shares in Sept 03. He didn't get a majority until 2005.

Football would not be as it is, what Roman did was show rich people the world over that it was easy to win by throwing money at football. His spending policy made prices higher for all clubs, as well as wages. They were rising anyway, but they got a massive boost due to his actions. Now a lot of people with lots of money will follow that model, which is why Man City are doing as they do.

 

[Talivar]

The club went public in 1990 and was the subject of takeover bids from property trader Michael Knighton and Rupert Murdoch's BSkyB corporation before Malcolm Glazer's stake was announced in September 2003. By the end of the year, Glazer had increased his shareholding from 3.17% to around 15%, which he almost doubled in the year up to October 2004. His acquisition of John Magnier and J. P. McManus' 28.7% stake in May 2005 pushed his own up to around 57%, well over the 30% threshold that would force him to launch a takeover bid. A few days later, he took control of 75% of the club's shares, allowing him to delist from the stock exchange, and within a month, Glazer took 98% ownership of the club via his Red Football vehicle, forcing a compulsory buy-out of the remaining 2%. The total purchase of the club totalled almost £800 million

So glazier had started his share building just after roman

 

[cHodAX]

Sky tried to buy in 1998 but were blocked by the government. That is a good 5 years before Glazer showed up and 7 years before takeover.

 

[Ch3tan]

That's exactly what I just said. If you can't see the difference between the Glazers, Hicks and Gillet and Roman and the Arabs at Man City though, there is really no saving you for retardation ;p

 

[Talivar]

I can see the difference but i just try look at the bigger picture, loot at another example. If chelsea hadnt pushed up the prices you might not have got anywhere near 80mill for Ronaldo and be even further up shit creek meaning your sale might have been forced to happen last year ect. Dont you think there is a good chance you to would then or coudl soon be sold to rich arabs yourself?. And also be honest as far as owners go you have to admit you would much rather have a roman than a Glazier or a Hicks ect

 

[Calaen]

I can see the difference but i just try look at the bigger picture, loot at another example. If chelsea hadnt pushed up the prices you might not have got anywhere near 80mill for Ronaldo and be even further up shit creek meaning your sale might have been forced to happen last year ect. Dont you think there is a good chance you to would then or coudl soon be sold to rich arabs yourself?. And also be honest as far as owners go you have to admit you would much rather have a roman than a Glazier or a Hicks ect

No BEcause ni fairness to the Glaziers they have let Ferguson get on with it. Even when CHelsea were winning things there was constant drama with him being unhappy with the players after defeats and shit.

Glaziers any day of the week for me as owners. The guys clearly have a clue about business or they wouldn't be where they were today.

 

[Ch3tan]

I can see the difference but i just try look at the bigger picture, loot at another example. If chelsea hadnt pushed up the prices you might not have got anywhere near 80mill for Ronaldo and be even further up shit creek meaning your sale might have been forced to happen last year ect. Dont you think there is a good chance you to would then or coudl soon be sold to rich arabs yourself?. And also be honest as far as owners go you have to admit you would much rather have a roman than a Glazier or a Hicks ect

Give up on commenting about football and business.

Why would we be up shit creek without 80million for Ronaldo? If you take Roman and Chelski out of the equation then you can't predict what the future would have worked out as. Don't over simplify things.

And actually I'd rather have the Glazers than Roman, I'd rather not have either if it was possible. Money is not everything.

 

[cHodAX]

The guys clearly have a clue about business or they wouldn't be where they were today.

Over a billion in debt, having properties and mortages forclosed in the States? Or the Russian, a sharp business man who is continuing to make money in a recession hit economy?

Forget his billions, the man has proven talent. The Glazers are built on debt not profit and that debt mountain is about to crush them. They are useless businessmen who just took maximum advantage of cheap credit prices.

 

[Ch3tan]

LOL, I missed Cal's post. Cal, the Glazers entire business success is built on borrowing, that is dangerous. Whereas Roman's business is built on him being allegedly very dangerous.

Still despite the finances, Roman has meddled in footballing matters, but considering how much he's invested he probably feels he has a right to.

 

[Talivar]

Shevchenko was the biggest meddling imo but after having his fingers burned by the fallout i reckon he has learned his lesson. atleast i hope so.

 

[cHodAX]

LOL, I missed Cal's post. Cal, the Glazers entire business success is built on borrowing, that is dangerous. Whereas Roman's business is built on him being allegedly very dangerous.

Still despite the finances, Roman has meddled in footballing matters, but considering how much he's invested he probably feels he has a right to.

Unfair, the Russian is a shrewd businessman, aside from the money he made in Russia. If it wasn't for the worldwide recession and stock market crashes he would have done alot better, he is also slowly turning Chelsea around, too slowly but still he has stated his desire for them to be self-sustaining and he seems to be intent on making it happen one day.

I would take him any day over the Glazers after the way the last 6 months have gone, at least he loves football and will put HIS own money where his mouth is. The Glazers only spend the fans money. If we had the PLC still in place we would have turned in excess of £150 million profit this year when £80 million for Ronaldo is included. We were doing £50 million profit a year before the Glazers came on much much lower revenue.

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh I didn't say Roman wasn't a shrewd business man, I'm just pointing out his slightly murky rise to that money.

Also I'd love to go back to being a PLC but without the Irish, look at Arsenal, big shareholders who keep each other in check, allowing the club to do well as a business.

 

[cHodAX]

Oh I didn't say Roman wasn't a shrewd business man, I'm just pointing out his slightly murky rise to that money.

Also I'd love to go back to being a PLC but without the Irish, look at Arsenal, big shareholders who keep each other in check, allowing the club to do well as a business.

Russian gangsters can have good business accumen.

PLC was a win for United, we were focused on profits but not driven by them.

 

[Embattle]

I'm not sure a new ground is the answer how big a stadium could you guy fill week in week out? Because a new stadium where you are is going to cost a small fortune and will take an age to pay back.

This is assuming you build the Stadium as the club is the owner just builds one and gives it to you that is a different story.

Well our average attendance was around 41,500 the last few seasons so I suspect the goal would be around 55,000-60,000 but the simple fact is the whole issue becomes complex when you consider Chelsea Pitch Owners plc and all the legal stuff behind the ground.

Football would not be as it is, what Roman did was show rich people the world over that it was easy to win by throwing money at football. His spending policy made prices higher for all clubs, as well as wages. They were rising anyway, but they got a massive boost due to his actions. Now a lot of people with lots of money will follow that model, which is why Man City are doing as they do.

Well a Man U fan with rose tinted glasses and the ability to see different time lines, you nor I can say what might or might not of happened had Roman not invested heavily in Chelsea at least in terms of the overall premiership.

I did see you tried again to do the usual of pulling Man City in as an example, sadly you like most others don't realise it actually weakens the argument considering where they ended up last year.

LOL, I missed Cal's post. Cal, the Glazers entire business success is built on borrowing, that is dangerous. Whereas Roman's business is built on him being allegedly very dangerous.

Still despite the finances, Roman has meddled in footballing matters, but considering how much he's invested he probably feels he has a right to.

Not sure why you keep attacking him although as I write this post I see you've posted another one to cHodAX's reply, both of which I would generally agree with.

 

[Embattle]

Russian gangsters can have good business accumen.

PLC was a win for United, we were focused on profits but not driven by them.

It is a win if done right, although it does open you up to market forces at the same time.

As for Man U besides all the protests I can't see the Glazer's being removed that easy.

 

[cHodAX]

It is a win if done right, although it does open you up to market forces at the same time.

No doubt, it worked well for us for a decade but it also led to the situation we are in now. The PLC delivered a great stadium for us though so at least we have a way of digging ourselves out of this mess.

 

[Marc]

I thought a draw would be a good result today, but I can't say I expected such a lack of fight from Villa. We would never ever have lost like that to frigging Newcastle under O'Neill.

I don't blame MacDonald as he shouldn't be in this position. We should have a proper, experienced manager. Instead we have an owner who wants to sell our best players, replace them with half fit cheap crap and sit in his mansion counting his millions.

The lack of fight at 2-0 down was palpable, the players just started walking around. Disgraceful.

I remember watching the villa fans celebrate sending newcastle down, like they had won the league.

Saturdays result was revenge. Suck it up and move on. Villa were always going to lose that much but they are still a top half team.

 

[Turamber]

Villa were always going to lose that much but they are still a top half team.

1) 6-0 is our record defeat by Newcastle and to a newly promoted team so I don't agree with that statement and;

2) We won't finish in the top half this season.

 

[Marc]

Sorry, "much" was supposed to be "match" lol

 

[Vladamir]

Mascherano not in the squad tonight for 'Pool, and subject to a £12m bid from Barcelona according to SSN.

 

[Ch3tan]

I'd be more than shocked if he was let go for £12million. That story originally broke on imscouting, who are full of shit.

He may well be going to Barca, but liverpool would be crazy to let him go for so litte. £25mill plus a player at least.

I actually feel sorry for him, I thought he was wanting to leave for money, didn't realise his missus refused to live in England.

 

[megadave]

Bid rejected according to the Guardian.

They're also saying Hleb and Martin Cáceres (leftback i think) could be added into the mix since Barcelona don't have money.

 

[Ch3tan]

Very revealing interview from Hodgson before the match just then.

The only reason he hasn't picked Masch tonight is that he doesn't feel he is focused, due to the speculation. He reiterated that the club won't sell unless their valuation is met, and that he is sure he will play him again before the transfer window closes.

 

[megadave]

Where's Balotelli? :d

 

[Ch3tan]

Where's Balotelli? :d

Mancini said he has an issue with his knee and that he was ruled out earlier today.

 

[Marc]

Bid rejected according to the Guardian.

They're also saying Hleb and Martin Cáceres (leftback i think) could be added into the mix since Barcelona don't have money.

Caceres favoured position is centre half. IIRC we paid about £15m for him and he is a very good centre half. He was unlucky with injuries and then couldnt get back in the team so went on loan. He was awesome at Juventus last season at right back.

I think he could do a job at liverpool

 

[megadave]

The City line up looks well average for a team that's just spent so much.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yeah, they've spent a fortune on good but not great players.

 

[megadave]

I just can't believe they spent all that money and kept Gareth Barry in the first 11. 3 Defensive midfielders in a home game?