teh olde thread. as in content, not me you biznitches :p

[throdgrain]

I appear to have wandered into the BW/Freddyshouse once-a-month depression arguement.

 

[Danya]

whoa, i thought this was freddyshouse, not livejournal *checks addressbar*

You aren't the only one.
While people are spouting - WTF is the big deal with blogs/livejournal? No one gives a shit about 99.9999% of what people post on them but the original poster. All they do is use bandwidth that could be better used and cause search engines to go nuts. The internet would be much better without them.

 

[mank!]

I appear to have wandered into the BW/Freddyshouse once-a-month depression arguement.

I was wondering when you'd appear. Strange how nobody complains when Tom posts a thread about his diet or when people discuss politics or other random subjects, but as soon as a thread where the topic of depression crops up people get rather upset.

 

[Tom]

Well you were the first to call me a ****. You don't see me getting upset.

 

[TdC]

I find that Throddy is extremely mild lately. I was going to set fire to his beard in order to liven him up again tbh.

 

[mank!]

No, I just see you incessantly spouting complete and utter bollocks on a subject you have repeatedly shown yourself to have absolutely no concept of.

Perhaps upset is the wrong word, but people do seem to get rather shirty on both sides of the argument when the topic of depression is discussed and some can't help but offer their opinion, however little they know about the subject at hand. Although you do that constantly, so I shouldn't really be surprised.

 

[throdgrain]

I was wondering when you'd appear. Strange how nobody complains when Tom posts a thread about his diet or when people discuss politics or other random subjects, but as soon as a thread where the topic of depression crops up people get rather upset.

Talk about what you like mate I checked this thread when it started and it was one of those list threads where people say things or answer pre-written questions, there's no dialogue and no one cares about the other posts other than thier own. (No offence Tdc )
I look again 3 pages later and you're all off arguing about depression again. Hence the post. You know my opinion on the subject, I know it can be read as a little harsh but its not meant that way. But I wouldnt even bother posting in such a thread .

 

[throdgrain]

I find that Throddy is extremely mild lately. I was going to set fire to his beard in order to liven him up again tbh.

Off the subject, theres a bloke up the road from here, 20 years ago he was a mad Harley riding maniac, right nutter, they used to call him Wild Bill.
Now he's been married for years, then recently divorced, hasnt got a bike no more, dont go out much no more.
They now call him Mild Bill

Makes me grin anyway !

 

[Frizz]

I checked this thread when it started and it was one of those list threads where people say things or answer pre-written questions, there's no dialogue and no one cares about the other posts other than thier own. (No offence Tdc )

Have to disagree there. I like to read what others are upto, and what they think on certain "pub-esque" topics. I'd say you think what you do because no-one (few, maybe) comment on what people have to say on such questions. Doesn't necessarily mean they're apathetic as to what people have to say.

"Mild Bill" made me laugh tho.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

The fact is, I never got into alcohol in a big way. I have only ever smoked cannabis, and tbh was bored shitless by it. My days before I started working used to be spent riding 100 miles a week on my racing bike. I've always been that kind of person. I believe that if others adopted a more common sense approach to life, then things would become a lot simpler.

Not meaning to be rude, but you have talked a lot of crap in this thread Tom. Also, what the FUCK has the above got to do with avoiding depression? You seem to think your lifestyle has avoided depression, the fact is I've seen many people with a more 'common sense' attitude than you, who keep far busier, far more active and all of that: to really really suffer.

Depression does not lie within the people who don't leave their houses and seem glum all the time. A third of people in this country have suffered from some form of it or another. You don't see 20million people sitting at home all moaning about how shit their lives are do you?

Wasn't going to bring you up on anything you said until I read that outrage. Also dislike the inferral that alcohol + drugs is a cause of depression - it's irresponsible and ill-informed.

 

[Bodhi]

Yes, angst-ridden teenagers clearly have it just as badly as those poor starving kids in Africa. That's why internet message boards are full of Africans with the education and the technology to moan about their plight to anyone and everyone. I mean a lack of drugs and councilling makes a lack of food look like a walk in the fucking park doesn't it.


P.S. Why do some people seem to think having suffered from depression makes them a better person? Doesn't that just mean they've been ill at some point. Don't see cancer sufferers going "I roxx i have cancar!" do you?

 

[dr_jo]

P.S. Why do some people seem to think having suffered from depression makes them a better person? Doesn't that just mean they've been ill at some point. Don't see cancer sufferers going "I roxx i have cancar!" do you?

No, most people wouldn't boast about having had cancer. But I think you'd find a fair number who, if asked about life changing experiences, would state surviving cancer/recovering from depression as a pretty major influence.

 

[Tom]

Not meaning to be rude, but you have talked a lot of crap in this thread Tom. Also, what the FUCK has the above got to do with avoiding depression? You seem to think your lifestyle has avoided depression, the fact is I've seen many people with a more 'common sense' attitude than you, who keep far busier, far more active and all of that: to really really suffer.

What I mean is that I'm not the sort of person to sit and dwell upon whatever gives me grief. Get on with it IMO. Perhaps if I suffered some family tradegy, I might also be considered depressed. Well thats perfectly fucking obvious isn't it? You can't medicate your way out of life you know. Ignorant I may be, but I'm not going to let things ruin my life without a fight.

And 20 million people in this country? This is a result of the medical profession and carers needing to find an excuse for anything that happens. Nobody wants to take responsibilty for their own actions anymore. Its all somebody elses fault, isn't it? Oh and no, you don't see those 20 million people sat at home whinging, because most of them have the strength of character to get off their arses and do something about it.

Saying that 20 mil people have suffered from depression is about as relevant as saying that 10 million people have broken a bone or two. Its life. Get over it. Its like people who say they suffer from stress. Well fuck me, what do you expect if you don't devote any of your time to yourself?

/rant

 

[Tom]

Wasn't going to bring you up on anything you said until I read that outrage. Also dislike the inferral that alcohol + drugs is a cause of depression - it's irresponsible and ill-informed.

Theres no such implication. I had the strength of character to realise that spending all my money on alcohol was fucking stupid. Therefore I didn't do it. My friend did. Who do you think has a better life now?

 

[TdC]

but Tom, the thing about depression is that there is no element that gives you grief, you just have grief. there is nothing to dwell on, it's just there (going on what someone has told me here btw). if there were a root cause, you could deal with it in time perhaps, but there isn't.
people with something to dwell on do just that, and do it with passion. people with depression can have perfectly ordinary lives (or not), but as I'm told, facing the feeling every day grinds a person down.

on a day where I don't particualrly feel like getting up or going outside (yes, I have these days), I need a swift kick in the behind and I'm fine. usually I deliver the metaphorical kick to myself. I'm not depressed, I combat my personal demons with my mountainbike and afterwards I feel just peachy. I can't begin to comprehend what a person like, just as an example, Mank has to go through every day from what he tells me via this forum. I have no idea how he manages it. I'm just glad he does because I happen to like him (sorry manklet, that's the way it is).

due to my having no idea what he goes through, I can only help him in very general ways, advising him to try to look beyond the immediate, telling him that I once worked in a supermarket when he says he's really not up to that etc. I don't even know if he picks up on it but it's about as much as I can do. for the rest I avoid commenting in this thread, as there is nothing I can add or help with. I know you are voicing your opinion, but imo you put your foot in it a bit mate.

 

[mank!]

Is there never an end to the nonsensical rubbish you spout Tom?

I'm bored of this argument because it's clear you refuse to accept the opinion contrary to yours, despite the fact this opinion is mainly coming from people who have suffered from what is being discussed.

I didn't mean for this thread to turn into this argument and I feel vulnerable and exposed for the personal stuff I disclosed earlier in the thread before it turned into this. It was late at night, I had nobody to talk to, nothing to do and my angst got the better of me. I doubt anybody cared about it, and that doesn't bother me, but it does annoy me to see people hurling opinions around on a subject they've blatantly got no experience of. I wouldn't walk into a discussion about Greek philosophy when I don't have the faintest clue what I'm talking about and neither should you in this case Tom.

 

[Louster]

I hope that you never have to suffer depression

Given the fact that, no matter what anybody says and no matter how many people say it, Tom will obviously go on blithely believing that depression doesn't really exist, I for one don't quite share this sentiment.

 

[Sissyfoo]

Sorry Tom. Normally I respect your opinion but this time you really don't know what you are talking about. It is all fine and well to look at depression from a scientific p.o.v. and say that it can be cured by drugs and therapy but if you have never suffered from it then you really can't tell people to 'get over it'.

For me there are two kinds of depression; the kind that can be cured by getting out of yer room and doing something social and the kind which leaves you in a black pit of despair daily. I've suffered from both. The first kind ... meh, you wake up, you feel crappy, you do something about it and bingo, yer fine! The second kind ... what can you do? You can't do ANYTHING. That is how your mind reacts; you feel totally helpless. You can't see more than 2 feet in front of you. You can try to look to the future and think, "Yea, things can't get any worse. I just keep plodding on and everything will turn out ooooookay!" but it doesn't help because you can't get out of the pit you are in at present. Everything you try seems hopeless and pointless and it breeds a total lack of motivation. "What is the point in going on? I'm going nowhere and I may as well stop trying because I'll only end up right back where I am."

...er, and so forth.

I really wish you were right, Tom. Fucking hell, I would give anything to be able to snap myself out of the deep blue funks I fall into from time to time...but I can't. It isn't that simple for people who suffer from/who have suffered from depression. This isn't a whine, just an example, but I wake up every morning at 5:30am and cycle to work. I don't mind getting up this early (much) and I enjoy cycling to work even when it is so windy and wet that I have swear like a raw naval recruit just to get up hills. However, once I get to work I feel like all the life has been sucked out of me. Just having to face another 8 hours in that office and knowing that I am going to have to carry on doing this for another 4-5 months just crushes my spirit. I have to really PUSH myself just to keep on going. Even though I hate my job and my collegues I am currently in a huge fight with myself to look for another job but I am finding it REALLY hard. Not because I am struggling to find a job I would like to do but because the simple effort involved in just picking up a newspaper or signing onto a jobsite is sometimes too much for me. I'm currently trying to sort out a masters program for meself out in Australia but I am finding that equally difficult. Same reasons. I love science but my bastard brain tells me that I am shit at it and I should just carry on being a HR bitch. Pfft...I know deep down that I am more intelligent than my brother and he is doing a PhD at Cambridge. If it wasn't for the bouts of depression that drag me down every now and then I'd probably be pulling AIDs vaccines out of my ass by now (figuratively speaking ofc).

Depression isn't as black and white as you have painted it. It isn't just a make-believe malady that some quacks came up with to make some extra bling either. It is a real and debilitating condition and if you ever suffer from it then you will know what I am talking about. I hate being like this but I suspect that I am going to have to put up with bouts of it for the rest of my life (a depressing thought in itself). I've tried teh drugz0rs and th3r4py and none of it worked for me. For some people it is great but for cynical, bitter shits like me it is a waste of time.

Medically speaking, Depression *is* an imbalance of chemicals in the brain...but for people who suffer from it, it is much much much more. Seriously. And, no offense, I really don't expect you will ever be able to understand that.

 

[throdgrain]

So anyway, what you think of Palace's chances in the premiership then?

 

[mank!]

Depends if Dowie can work his magic. They haven't got a good enough squad there by far so it really depends on Dowie's managerial skills.

 

[nath]

I think the problem is, it's a common misuse of the term to say "I'm depressed" when you mean "I feel a bit shitty". There's a huge difference between "feeling a bit depressed" and suffering from depression. You demonstrated your lack of understanding of this, Tom, when you said if you suffered a family tradegy you might be considered depressed - sure it could lead to depression, but I think what you meant is upset/sad/unhappy.

I don't think you can really understand it fully without experiencing it yourself, but Teed doesn't seem to have suffered it and appears quite happy to accept that it's more significant than feeling a little glum.

 

[throdgrain]

They are my "local" team I suppose.

 

[TdC]

tbh I may have had it mildly round about my 19th year, but I was pretty fsxored at the time and even in hindsight can not tell for sure. I'm just quite empathic towards it (there are people close to me who wrestle with it). it's not fun tbh.

 

[TdC]

oh, and....sports forum ffs

 

[Tom]

I understand everything you guys are saying, and I sympathise with genuine sufferers, but I believe there is a root cause to an individual's problems, and that cause can be understood, and overcome. I don't think its as simple as a line that one crosses to become 'depressed', I think its a sliding scale. My opinion is that you can stop sliding down that scale, by changing your life.

Thats the kind of guy I am.

Respect Sissyfoo, a good post with some nice points, but if you hate your job that much, change it. I understand if you find it hard to motivate yourself, but if you can ride a bike in the cold (that first 20 yards is a killer on a winter morning), then you can certainly change your job. Perhaps stop working in an office.

 

[mank!]

I understand everything you guys are saying, and I sympathise with genuine sufferers, but I believe there is a root cause to an individual's problems, and that cause can be understood, and overcome. I don't think its as simple as a line that one crosses to become 'depressed', I think its a sliding scale. My opinion is that you can stop sliding down that scale, by changing your life.

Fuck me, seeing as you know so much about how to overcome it - which is remarkable considering you've never suffered from this imaginary illness - why don't you put your thoughts into a book and get it published? If you believe you're so right, it'll sell millions of copies, you'll earn millions of quid and nobody will ever be sad again.

 

[Trem]

I reckon Palace are gonna do well. I have that feeling about them.

In Toms defence - He takes it well.

Throddy - very mild....................unless you upset him in #xatrix, he takes it out on all us KEA peeps

Bastard tbh

Depression - I have had it and its fucking awful.

Bodhi - Genius.

Wazz - Sexy

Mank - Aggressive, I like it




Jesus fucking christ this Stella is lethal stuff.

Oh yeah teedles - Dutch/Scottish hybrid sex machine.

 

[dysfunction]

(got back in UK last night - shit innit? )

Um...No

I'm enjoying every minute of it...

 

[Trem]

I understand everything you guys are saying, and I sympathise with genuine sufferers, but I believe there is a root cause

You are right Tommeh, its a fucking twat trying to find the cause though mate.

Sometimes it doesn't feel like there is a reason for it.

 

[Louster]

Let me remind you of what started off this whole thing.

Get yourself off to Africa, would soon change your outlook.

That's a far cry from "My opinion is that you can stop sliding down that scale, by changing your life."

Changing your life(style) can indeed help alleviate depression, but the thing is, depression more often than not means this is impossible without outside help. And yes, there is often a root, underlying cause to people's problems, but this is unlikely to be easily identified or changed if the sufferer is left to his own devices. Every post you've made, Tom, up until that last one, has claimed, in one way or another, that people with depression were variously stupid or weak.

Mobius, call me ignorant, but the only person who can do anything about your life is you. Not medication, not your family, but you

With a depressed person (and I don't know if Mobius is or not, but let's assume he is) this is, while true in the sense that the depressed person does indeed need to want to fix their lives (and, as I've said, it's rare indeed for a person NOT to want to), ridiculously misleading. Changing lifestyle, yes. Changing lifestyle completely on your own, no. There simply NEEDS to be support there, or else the truly depressed will never recover. That support can be counselling, medication, family or friends that understand (well-meaning but uncomprehending family members/friends can often do more harm than good, really, by coming out with bullshit platitudes like "but your life is so good! How can you be depressed?") or just about anything, as long as there is actually some support and sympathy.