Stealthers gonna have to rethink tactics with TOA

[old.Kerosene]

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The evidence

The problem

convoker ML2 - Prescience Node.

It seems anyone with the convoker ML2 can drop a node which has the effect of uncovering stealthers in a 1500 range while the node is active (15 mins lifespan with 1hp)

While the stealther is visible because of the node, no effects may be cast on him while he's stealthed still (but visible as an outline). The bug seems to be pets may still attack these 'outlined stealthers'

Now the node is so small it can be hidden in terrain so getting rid of them may be difficult. They are on a 15 sec recast timer and as many may be placed as the convoker has power. This means milegates/keeps/commonly traversed terrain will be a minefield for stealthers wishing to sneak up on people.

It is not confirmed but these nodes may prevent any styles including CS from being used while the stealther is under the influence of a node.

Solution

It seems milegate camping and stealther groups may need 'minesweepers' in the form of GTAoE or PBAoE just to be able to cross commonly used spots unseen.

Before all stealthers go loony I'd expect this to be nerfed to hell pretty damn quick . I don't have a active stealther but I still feel anyone one ML which can affect RvR on such a grand scale can't be good for the game.

 

[old.Xarr]

wow that's a pretty stealther harsh ability :<

 

[old.Kerosene]

It's not confirmed but I believe the nodes don't die with the caster

 

[Takhasis]

not nice....

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by old.Xarr
wow that's a pretty stealther harsh ability :<

pretty damn right at them imho, they have it waaaay too easy as it is today and deserve every crap they get.

 

[old.Kerosene]

um. not really. I know stealthers are a pain in the ass and any non-stealther would love to get rid of them, but rendering one skill line on any class isn't at all good for the game.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Haha This is funny as hell
Hope everyone that has a stealther re-rolls.

 

[old.windforce]

like i need a reroll with 5 level 50s

if this is implemented as it is now all stealthers will do is ninja raiding keeps....

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by old.Kerosene
um. not really. I know stealthers are a pain in the ass and any non-stealther would love to get rid of them, but rendering one skill line on any class isn't at all good for the game.

like they did to archers with see hidden you mean.. oooh yes I remember..

stealthers are the scum in daoc and deserve every piece of crap that comes their way

 

[scarffs]

Convokers is also a path only available to mages, who then cant attack the outline of the stealther and they die in a millisecond if they approach him. So you'd have to organise a group with a convoker and tanks to clean up stealthers.
Maybe a little harsh, but come on, every milegate is camped by fgs stealthers now, and thats no fun either.

 

[Silenzio]

bha again toa crap...
for that time ill allready be in a diff game tnx god

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by Silenzio
bha again toa crap...
for that time ill allready be in a diff game tnx god

yes, something you even havent tried out yet must absolutely be total crap and ofc we all are happy you will play something else soon with that attitude, kthxvmuch mistar.

 

[old.Kerosene]

Remember, Mythic are using the live servers to Beta test TOA and are 'adjusting' ML's as people get them. Look at the ML1 for Battlemaster with the end usage reversal..

 

[Indiana Jones]

can only the caster who created the orb see the stealthers or can everyone see them?

and when using the orb, the stealthers can't be attacked ??

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

He stated in the post that you can set pets on them.
So.... Spiritmasters or Bonedancers with this...
Runies still get shit from the ML's compared to the other casters, so dont worry about getting bolted at least

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Theurg with a million pets....

 

[old.Alliandre]

From what I've gathered, you can't target stealthers until they're within the normal distance you could target them from. This won't stop some Eldritch with a spec in void, or other classes from other realms (don't know who has GTAoE ) to uncover them.

I'm hoping it's only the caster who created the orb that can see the stealther. From above, I think it means the stealther can still be seen from a longer distance by the person who casted the orb and is now dead. If other people can see the stealther from that distance it is overpowered imo, but otherwise, I think it's a good move on stealth by Mythic, even though some may disagree with the changes made. This'll just give most casters the chance to avoid stealthers and/or alert tanks who would try to find the poor stealther through directions given

 

[Tesla Monkor]

It doesn't have a recast timer. It takes 15sec to cast, and last for 15min. It effectively kills stealth on anyone in a 1500 radius.

Truesight is useless now. Assassins are useless in keepdefense or attack. Part of the rogue's abilities is stealth - so they can pick a target and can strike first. With this ML, we are stripped of that. Where's our compensation?

[Before all stealthers go loony I'd expect this to be nerfed to hell pretty damn quick . I don't have a active stealther but I still feel anyone one ML which can affect RvR on such a grand scale can't be good for the game.]

Don't count on it. See Hidden went live after all their testing as well - took them almost a year to discover it was a mite overpowered. I really wonder why Mythic is so hell bent on making stealthers unplayable. :/

 

[kinag]

lol, read those infil whines on vn

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Because they've been overpowered since retail?
Because they spoil fun for others that want to have fun without stealtheradds?
Because they're assassins that can take on pure tanks with at least 50% chance of winning?

Stealthers are a big part of why this game went shit. It's true and you know it. It's about fucking time something was done.

Tho I agree nerfing them aint right. Instead they should get a free classrespec to a visible class, and their stealther deleted.

 

[Cyradix]

You hate stealther zergs now? Just wait till they implement this MA.
Stealthers will have no choice but to group….

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Shike
yes, something you even havent tried out yet must absolutely be total crap and ofc we all are happy you will play something else soon with that attitude, kthxvmuch mistar.

ehum? pardon?

can't remeber who you are...

you all? you and your teddy?

if you force your lone neuron to wake up and work atleast once

you'd see that toa is nothing more than a "must buy to keep competitive " wile the old biggest issue and unbalance in the game keep the same...

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Because they've been overpowered since retail?

Yes, assassins were SOOOO overpowered in the start

 

[the_smurflord]

Well it looks like the whiners who've never played a stealth and can't separate reality and hype have finally got their way.

Viva Dark Age of Tankalot.

(yes, I'm pissed off)

I was expecting something along the lines of truesight, active for 1 min, recast 30 mins which while annoying and more than enough to trip up a lot of stealthers is not unbalancing. With 15 mins duration and 5 sec recast time, they can basically cover the whole zone with them.
Once again we get nerfed by proxy, in the loving given to others.
Thanks god WoW will be out about the same time as we get this shit.

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Because they've been overpowered since retail?

wrong assassin classed neede strong corrections after retail because they were too hard to play...

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid

Because they spoil fun for others that want to have fun without stealtheradds?

pardon?
you are rlly sure of what you are writing?
stealthers ruin Zerg vs Zerg? hahahah

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid

Because they're assassins that can take on pure tanks with at least 50% chance of winning?

well wacking theyr stealth ability is not the way to solve "this issue" cuz less stealth
more gankage...

and btw if an assassin kill a tank using his CS opening line and poison is good to me... in open field ok not rlly...

if an archer kill from range a tank without a shield due his hig lvl in bow is damn right... by all the time he spent swearing to get a lvl...

and not forget that now after shield/parry patch is rlly hard to beat a tank for an assassin...

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid

Stealthers are a big part of why this game went shit. It's true and you know it. It's about fucking time something was done.]

no... stealther is not part ov the problem are just a result ov bad player attitude and wrong game mechanism, this game is shit, just dued to Dev's, Marketing strategy, and players too...

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid

Tho I agree nerfing them aint right. Instead they should get a free classrespec to a visible class, and their stealther deleted.

aw ok so is just Greed...
so sad

 

[Indiana Jones]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Because they've been overpowered since retail?
Because they spoil fun for others that want to have fun without stealtheradds?
Because they're assassins that can take on pure tanks with at least 50% chance of winning?

Stealthers are a big part of why this game went shit. It's true and you know it. It's about fucking time something was done.

Tho I agree nerfing them aint right. Instead they should get a free classrespec to a visible class, and their stealther deleted.

assassins that can take out pure tanks? you're prob talking about RR 10 assassin with a buffbot. There is almost no way that a normal assassin can take out a pure tank.

And the main reason why this game went shit for me is insta mezz and pbaoe ! I've seen armies of albs, mids and hibs seen whiped by 1 - 2 fg, with a bunch of pbaoe and instamezz. And lets not forget keep takes !!! Camping the lord with pbaoe is hell

Why attack a keep with a few fg, if 2-3 lord camping pbaoe'ers can take them down in a few minutes? If it was up to me, pbaoe would not be effective through walls/gates/...

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by Silenzio
ehum? pardon?

can't remeber who you are...

you all? you and your teddy?

if you force your lone neuron to wake up and work atleast once

you'd see that toa is nothing more than a "must buy to keep competitive " wile the old biggest issue and unbalance in the game keep the same...

you are truly boring mate, sadly, even Ardrias flame better and thats baaaaaaaaaaad

have you even tried out ToA yet? What are the unbalances in the game that is so severe atm? And are you aware of that frontiers are next thing on Mythics big to-do-list after ToA? Are you aware that they have a RAreview planned? Are you aware of that there is a stylereview planned?

And ofc its a "mustbuy", do you expect Mythic to release a product that they have spent time and manpower and probably a heapload of cash on to develop and ensure it isnt needed? Are you daft? I guess you are on of those disillusioned people who think Mythic runs DAoC out of charity and because they care about little you as a consumer and not because they are a company that are after your cash. Lmao at naive idiots like you that cant see the naked truth and live with it. Bah..

/em pokes Ardrias

edit: oh, just read yer other post.. you are most likely a stealther.. nm my post then dude.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Eleasias
Yes, assassins were SOOOO overpowered in the start

hrm wonder how they'd do with just 2.0 spec points these days...

they were just totally outgunned by the archers

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Shike


frontiers are next thing on Mythics big to-do-list after ToA?

AFTER...


dear idiot a company should work to earn money, right
but looking at theyr product and customare satisfaction too...

i know the time ov "game artist" are gone, now is only merchandise; passion meens nothing now... just find the best way to "birbe" customers...

but is sad... they could even work a bit more/better to earn money...

the rvr rewiev was the most asked thing by all ppl...
an it will be taken in consideration only after 3 add-on... what u think? is fair or shamefull greed attitude?

and no im not a stealther
sorting im more a network engineer

who in a part ov his free time
play 5 stealther in this game
but even 3 support classes
and 4 tank...



my point ov view comes from all thos char experiences...
toa has for sure some nice toy but in the complex is not what the game rlly needed

btw u know thers US server arround?
ppl can play ther too

 

[the_smurflord]

Can everyone who's never played an assassin or stealth class in rvr (and I don't mean thidranki) ever please shut the hell up, you seriously don't know what you're talking about.