Spiritmaster Pet - Intercept.. Some testing

[Konstantin]

Everyone who doesn't play Mid knows it isn't balanced so useless to ask opinions.

Evryone who doesn´t plat hib knows it isen´t balanced so useless to ask opinions ^^ like someone said there´s another realm in greater need of a big fat nerf then midgård...Anyway nice test there puppet

 

[Smackboy]

Would need another account then, or you could log that yourselves every day as a Mid Unfortunaly I cant reliably test it without a third account (SM, Shaman, Tank).

Hehe, maybe ill log a couple of days playing, dunno if i wanna see the result thou

None of both. I dont use BL stun 'theyve always had it'-argument aswell :O Tho from my POV BL-stun is still purgeable and in the cases where it truely matters (caster vs caster) the one who lands either first nearsight or wins the interrupt-war, is the winner. Stun or no stun. That is, in stun or mezz. Root might be an entirely different matter, but to be honest: Root-only classes have different things to go for (bolts, pet or nearsight) which probably make a bigger difference then the CC form. Correct me there if Im wrong, but i dont play casters.

Just seems to be casting goes so bloooody fast that it doesnt really matter what u do. Need to Charge or u die within 900 units of the caster as a tank.

The reason i asked was that i recall you (I think it was you, correct me if im wrong) posted a Pet Intercept thread a month? ago on the US vnboard. So i was just curious about the sudden interest in the issue since you have been around for a while, and probably stumbled in to intercepting pets long time ago
About BL stun, that was just something i thought you said sometimes, must have been someone else . And yes, in caster vs caster fights the jump will give you the kill 9 out of 10 times. Actually, the only decent caster vs caster fights you can have is if you have resists up and so has your opponent, all due to the insane castspeed/dps.

 

[Tuorin]

Nice test Pupp. If the pet was perhaps at a proper blue con level, then it would mean that you could kill that, but its rare you hit the pet for any valuable damage. Maybe keep the intercept as is, but let the damage be reflective of the attackers WS/DPS or even more. So instead of hitting for 60-100 or whatever hit for what you would on the SM minus his ra, pd or whatever.

 

[areaballz]

Was directed to this post from the VN boards today, and would like to add my 2 cents. I used a fully buffed shammy with a 2 handed hammer, against a fully buffed SM pet. Put the pet on passive and stood directly on top of the pet with my sm.
From the log parser, i get a total of 79 attacks, 38 hits, 35 intercepts. Which comes out to about a 47% intercept rate for that fight. Now, you really cant base what the intercept rate is on one or two logs, it would take thousands of logs of fights to come up with any really numbers.

I didnt post here to start any drama or anthing like that, i just wanted to post my log.

Its a RNG, and we are slaves to it, just like when i made 150 boots before i got a mp...then got 2 more in 5 tries.

here is a link to the post i have my log in
http://vnboards.ign.com/Midgard_Mystic_Professions/b20914/91766922/?4

 

[bult]

Evryone who doesn´t plat hib knows it isen´t balanced so useless to ask opinions ^^ like someone said there´s another realm in greater need of a big fat nerf then midgård...Anyway nice test there puppet

No, midgard is the realm most in need of a big fat nerf.

 

[gwal]

SM is the ONLY caster in game that doesnt need BG.

stand next to pet -> ml9 pet -> laugh at the tanks on you

gotta admit tho, the very high intercept %, i dont rly mind much.
its the ml9 pet that blows.

just make the intercept ability inactive when pet is ml9 or smth.

tank would sitll be able to kill the sm, tho usually after killing the pet. at the same time the BGer has time to get to the SM while pet is dying (this still gives the sm more time to live than most casters). dunno if SMs would prefer a lower intercept rate or smth else instead tho.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

mids need serious love I think

 

[xxManiacxx]

Strange that my pet almost never interupts the BM trains

 

[Cylian]

no free RP -> nerf! nerf! nerf!

 

[Puppet]

Strange that my pet almost never interupts the BM trains

Mostly coz you send your pet on me (druid) and let the Bodyguard sort them out

From my PoV there's several fixes:

a) Lower intercept-rate
b) Let the pet take the exact damage as the SM itself would have taken, not the 'You hit for 13 bullcrap'.
c) Limit the intercept to once every ~8 seconds.

 

[Shike]

Strange that my pet almost never interupts the BM trains

fully buffed it with purple buffs? It should intercept a _ton_ for you. Puppets simple test shows around 70%, which from experience I believe to be pretty much correct.

As a merc I can honestly say that darkSMs is the class/specc I hate the most in the game, even more than fkin animists. 2200WS nearly and still I cant hit the SMs at all sometimes. If they move interceptrate is way lower but if they stand still, good luck as a tank. Then they just pop MoC and kill and there isnt a single thing one can do about it.



The fkin pet even intercepts PAs and BS etc fgs :/

 

[xxManiacxx]

Always fully buffed pet.

And I have the pet with me quite often also. Just that sometimes interupts don´t work so I have to send my pet to do that aswell.


But I have had xxcalibur and gwael(or whatever the name is nowagain) landing atleast 80% of their rounds all the time. very very very seldom I even manage to get a cast between hits.

heck Akimi lands far over 80% of his swings on me aswell.

/me needs ML9 prob

 

[Azathrim]

Last time you whined about SM pets in this thread, Vilna the SM TL gave you this answer:

As has been pointed out, the SM pet doesn't make that huge of a difference against a tank train, it either dies pretty fast or the hits that do get through are enough to kill the SM. In 1v1 scenarios against a melee class, it is extremely powerful, I agree. But thing is, so are a huge amount of other abilities, and 1v1 encounters are not considered to be the primary factor for balancing most classes, especially not casters.

 

[Shike]

fair enuff on his side but: what he calculate with is the USstylee of playing, aka, heavy assisttrains that runs and hit same toon.

Alb cannot really run as heavy tanktrains as hibb and mid can without sacrificing some things. Sure u can run 3 mercs for crazy DPStrain but.. where is the coldresist from friar etc then? It wont fit.

Most albtrain consist of 2 mercs or similar, 2 tanks is generally the norm at least. It means a SMpet intercepting alot will slow down their killrate with quite a chunk. (taking it from a regular rr5-7 pov here).

Hibb have no probs running 2BMs+champ+hero (or some other tanks ofc) in a tanktrain.. mids can also run 3-4man trains and still keep up basic important stuff in a grp. Albs cant.



Maybe this all is irrelevant since its an overall balanceissue but: Massive DPS is what kills SM fast, semihigh DPS will not kill a SM fast. Intercepting pet+MoC3 with that nasty DD they got is a hell to kill if the SM is wellkitted. I dont think many SMs realise how fkin overpowered that pet actually is. Sorcs ability to MoC+SOI was nerfed to hell since it made them a pure hell to kill, I cant see why SMs shouldnt recieve the same treatment. Or at least give cabbypets and chanterpets same ability.

Also, SM is the only class that can walk away from a PA+CD without brittles since the pet ML9d intercepts those too. Had it happen when playing NS quite a few times and it just makes me wanna cry, I guess its balanced and working as intended...

 

[miracle-mm]

less qq pup and get normal casters into grp not stupid bms train

 

[gwal]

Last time you whined about SM pets in this thread, Vilna the SM TL gave you this answer:

and that answer is about as usefull as a pot of hot piss, now isnt it.....

as soon as a SM is next to his ml9 pet he is next to unkillable - not a huge difference my ass

 

[Simba]

I remember last time i attacked Smactericus, i tried to hit him 7 times, and all of them went into the sm pet. Ofc he dd-ed me down even without moc, so after the 3rd dd i vanished off, and i decided to never attack him again in 1v1 :/

 

[gwal]

Or at least give cabbypets and chanterpets same ability.

yes plz

 

[moik]

Last time you whined about SM pets in this thread, Vilna the SM TL gave you this answer:

Don't we all just love clueless TLs?
Fully buff a SM pet, pop ml9. Tanks will have to beat it for a year, without it getting heals, for it to die.

 

[Dorin]

yea its a bit over the top really, i wouldnt say its like bodyguard as the high intercept rate is still abit random so you do get interrupted most of the time... but with ml9+moc+(purge too mabeh) its just sick

a solo melee class needs to get REALLY lucky to be able to kill a dark sm.

 

[Puppet]

But I have had xxcalibur and gwael(or whatever the name is nowagain) landing atleast 80% of their rounds all the time. very very very seldom I even manage to get a cast between hits.

Ofcourse when 2 dualwielders attack you, and according to Smack u need 2 rounds intercepted it will be hell to cast for you. You need, in the case of Gwal and Xxcalibur (both RR9, so 69 CD spec) 8 swings intercepted in a row to cast. There's a 9% chance of that happening. There you got very seldom.

heck Akimi lands far over 80% of his swings on me aswell.

/me needs ML9 prob

It has nothing to do with ML9. Your pet isnt all the time with you, which gives you the impression you are unlucky. Ive seen your pet on Defensive various times (it flips between us 2 druids) so ofcourse it aint intercepting all that much then.

Zerk TL is quite clueless with his response. 'It doesnt matter much in FG fights'. Aye so say a wizard aint BG'ed. Wanna see how fast a BM kills him? Compare that to a Dark-SM who aint BG'ed.

If PD5 'doesnt make much difference in FG-fights' = 25% less damage I wonder how he rates 74% less damage.

 

[Puppet]

Last time you whined about SM pets in this thread, Vilna the SM TL gave you this answer:

Funny you call it whine. Ive did a test and reported my test-results. From my PoV thats alot better then your clueless 'Oh no its Puppet whining about Midgard and here smackdown zerk-TL report he's all knowning deal sorted. End of discussion.'.

Things like this need to be tested to get SOME progress in the balance in this game going. I would be happy if you came with a test and arguments why an animist in a keepdefense is overpowered and needs fixage. Please do ! Please do same for baseline-stun on Hib-casters, test it, give your findings!

In the meantime I atleast take the effort to test stuff and come with arguments why I think the results are in practice imbalancing. If you call that 'whine' its pointless to discuss anything with you, seems you cannot take facts and honest testing when it involves something in your realm.

Surely if high-RR spiritmasters like Smackterius and Dorin already say the intercept-rate is too high there's very little reason to question this, especially when the test shows exactly the same thing ?

Im sure Belomar is happy to help me out once with testing on Gorre so I can get a 'real tank' to test. Im sure the results will not be very different when I get a tank with 2200 WS - still Im happy to test it.

 

[Straef]

Piccy!

Never saw that coming from you

 

[Eleasias]

Almost everyone knows they are pretty much one of the most overpowered things in this game.

 

[Tuorin]

A point in question I remember not that long ago, finding Miracle in a duo when we were a group. It was just before he got RR11. He sat down with his pet next to him and his pet died first while he was at 75% to 2bms and hero. That indicates that he was struck probably once by 1 swing during that time. I know I never hit him 21xx WS. Pet wasnt ML9.

Sm basically moreorless has a free BG, so you rely on support or casters to shut him down. Ofc BL interupts too. Our casters need a bg from BL tanks. The other key difference is zerkers can hit a BG warden with 750af and 29% slash for 500 per round. Sm pet doesnt take that damage from 4 tanks per round.

 

[Edlina]

whatever they do to fix it sure shouldn't be giving caba's and chanters same possiblity, it's stupid enough on SM's shouldn't spread silly abilities like that

although that would make chanters quite OP'ed

 

[xxManiacxx]

Ofcourse when 2 dualwielders attack you, and according to Smack u need 2 rounds intercepted it will be hell to cast for you. You need, in the case of Gwal and Xxcalibur (both RR9, so 69 CD spec) 8 swings intercepted in a row to cast. There's a 9% chance of that happening. There you got very seldom.



It has nothing to do with ML9. Your pet isnt all the time with you, which gives you the impression you are unlucky. Ive seen your pet on Defensive various times (it flips between us 2 druids) so ofcourse it aint intercepting all that much then.

Zerk TL is quite clueless with his response. 'It doesnt matter much in FG fights'. Aye so say a wizard aint BG'ed. Wanna see how fast a BM kills him? Compare that to a Dark-SM who aint BG'ed.

If PD5 'doesnt make much difference in FG-fights' = 25% less damage I wonder how he rates 74% less damage.

Nope my pet aint always with me. To bad it needs to be somewhere else so that our warrior need to be with me. Shouldn´t be like that.

i am only talking about when I do have my pet with me. Ofcourse it doesnt interupt when I dont have it near me.

well against stealthers it does but not against light tanks. Could be me and my bad RNG as usual.

 

[Lupa]

powerleak is a good way to counter the pseudobg, but it doesnt kill the sm :<

 

[Graendel]

Aye so say a wizard aint BG'ed. Wanna see how fast a BM kills him?

I've done tests. You won't have time to blink.

 

[Tuppe]

when intercpet pet inc some time ago, sm tl made test.
test was long, not only some 50 or 100 swings, tested whit buffs, whitout buffs etc.
in end pet was intercepting ~50%.
some short periods pet inter alott, some periods 0.

if you think sm blue pet whit ml9 can be ugly? compare this to sorc yellow pet + ml9 + some nasty abilitys what some frontier mobs have.

cabbys or enchanters never gona get even slight hint for intercept, both classes allready have different tools to protect self, example enchanters healing pet.
sm, ench + cabby is hard to compare.

about albs assist train and difficulties kill sm? look around and wonder what your sorc are doing that moment + his ml9 pet, even healers isnt so idiot he spam groupheals/aemezz when there isnt need.

thx for tests anyway, even its not valid.