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[tRoG]

Wait a minute...

What class of Star Destroyer are we talking about?

Because the Imperial Class Star Destroyer would give it a good hiding, I mean, the thing is 1600m long, has poo loads of turbolasers and ion cannons, carries approx. 9700 stromtroopers, and has a full wing of 72 TIE ships!

Nothing could stand up to that shitniz.

 

[Archeon]

The A-Team would win.

Without killing anyone in the process..

Hmm... Well that all depends on whether Mr. T is with them - He might be down the youth centre teaching kids to make ash-trays in which case the Ateam would get owned.

But yeah, if Mr. T was there it'd be no contest

 

[Ezteq]

OMG talsar you little nerd!! i never suspected you had such a dark side, betcha got all sorts of nerdy stuff surrounding your pc i must say this totally alters all my views of you after all these years and leads me to say, dude you rock! /salute!

 

[Jonaldo]

Hmm... Well that all depends on whether Mr. T is with them - He might be down the youth centre teaching kids to make ash-trays in which case the Ateam would get owned.

But yeah, if Mr. T was there it'd be no contest

Indeed, and that one episode where Hulk Hogan helped em, if B.A. and Hulk Hogan turned up together they could probably take on all the Enterprise models, Star Destroyers and the Death Star at the same time.

 

[mts]

wow. talsar, dude.. it's just a movie/series ;D

 

[mts]

(HOWEVER: yoda would KICK the borgs ass ;D)

 

[Talsar]

OMG talsar you little nerd!! i never suspected you had such a dark side, betcha got all sorts of nerdy stuff surrounding your pc i must say this totally alters all my views of you after all these years and leads me to say, dude you rock! /salute!

hehe ty hun now if i was to mention "farscape Vs Stargate SG1" would you like to comment

wow. talsar, dude.. it's just a movie/series ;D

Hehe well Yoda does move pritty fast with a lightsaber.

 

[Garnet]

Mr T would pwn them all!

 

[Brunore]

Yoda would wtfpwn everyone.

Then roll a joint and chill.

 

[Talsar]

After thinking about this, on my way to work this morning, i came up with very interesting thought.

Star Trek - is based upon the Milkyway Galaxy where it is split into Sectors Alpha (where earth is), Beta, Gamma, Delta etc etc.

But,

Star Wars - is based in a Galaxy "far far away".

Under the current "space travel" within both Star Trek & Star wars (Warp travel, TransWarp (borg travel) & Hyper jump) the two would never meet due to the fact that:

It would take the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E, 'x' amount of years to reach the Star Wars Galaxy (depending on the location of Star Wars Galaxy) and vise versa for the Millenium Falcon to reach the Milkyway.

So tbh it is almost unlikey the two would ever meet.

 

[Sissyfoo]

I worry when people think about these things. :s

 

[tRoG]

After thinking about this, on my way to work this morning, i came up with very interesting thought.

Star Trek - is based upon the Milkyway Galaxy where it is split into Sectors Alpha (where earth is), Beta, Gamma, Delta etc etc.

But,

Star Wars - is based in a Galaxy "far far away".

Under the current "space travel" within both Star Trek & Star wars (Warp travel, TransWarp (borg travel) & Hyper jump) the two would never meet due to the fact that:

It would take the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E, 'x' amount of years to reach the Star Wars Galaxy (depending on the location of Star Wars Galaxy) and vise versa for the Millenium Falcon to reach the Milkyway.

So tbh it is almost unlikey the two would ever meet.

You're missing the point here. If an Imperial Class Star Destroyer and the USS Enterprise met, who would smack who up?

 

[Talsar]

You're missing the point here. If an Imperial Class Star Destroyer and the USS Enterprise met, who would smack who up?

Read my previous post bud see below , i have already said that "the federation" would not stand a chance... unless the "travellers" from the future came and helpped the federation.

But the dominion, borg, species 8472 are a different story.

However my point was to add an scientific element to an interesting arguement.

Well Star Wars Vs Star Trek... that is of course been a arguement that has gone on for a age, in a galaxy far far away.

Lets not forget the 2 basic principals here, Star Wars is based on magical powers known to all Jedi's as the force; Star Trek is based on the future alliances with other worlds known as "The Federation".

There would be a epic battle if the two forces were to meet, however there are elements of the Star Trek univerise which would i regret to say distroy the Jedi's.

Perhaps it would not be The Federation that would distroy the Jedi, as apart from the "Time directive" for historians from the future returning to see the past (they are not allows to change it though) so sadly people of the federation would not be able to dispose of the Jedis.

But..

The Borg and Species 8472 are another story, they are both not driven by morals, and they both have the ability to regenerate and grow and an alarming speed. Would the Death Star survive against a fleet of borg ships... no. would the Millenium Flacon stand up to a 8427 attack cruser?... no.

And the ultimate... would a Jedi stand up to both Borg or 8472? ... no.

My reasons,

Borg, it would only take 1 borg to Assimulate 1 jedi for the chain reaction to take place, the borg would then know the "force" and would use it in a darker way then the Darkside. This would lead to the "assimulated" jedi, assimulating his forgone bothers/sisters. Meaning the end of Jedis.

8472, one scratch from this species, would alter the DNA of jedi's, changing them into a sub species of 8472, meaning that the new improved jedi (if he loses his humanity - Ensign Harry Kim managed to hold onto his in epoisde "8472" Voyager, with help of the doctor), would then start a chain reaction to take over more Jedi's.

 

[Binky the Bomb]

You know, this tread actually reminds me of an SG-1 episode where two of the scientists in it actually end up arguing about something VERY similare. Favourite quote : "Oh, hell, we might as well put red uniforms on right now, were that dead..."

Need we say more. Half the crew of the enterprise is there just to be blown up when the fighting starts. Tip for new crew men, if you see a main officer of the ship coming your way, RUN. And never volunteer for away missions!

 

[Archeon]

Star Trek - is based upon the Milkyway Galaxy where it is split into Sectors Alpha (where earth is), Beta, Gamma, Delta etc etc.

Somthing bothers me about that, if their going to use the phentic alphabet (is the the right name for it?) then where the hell is the 'Charlie' sector? Then again I suppose it wouldn't make much of an impression would it

"Cptn's log - its day 12 in the Charlie sector. My strapping men have mutined against me and started wearling long pants again instead of the standard issue miniskirts. Damn those fools, when will they learn its important that their cptn has quick access to their crotch areas!?!!! In other news we wiped out three civilizations when 2nd Gunner Smitkins got drunk at the trigger - obviously it all the aliens fault for being so different... and alien!"

Need we say more. Half the crew of the enterprise is there just to be blown up when the fighting starts. Tip for new crew men, if you see a main officer of the ship coming your way, RUN. And never volunteer for away missions!

It makes you wonder though, if the guys in red always die... THEN WHY THE HELL DO THEY WEAR RED!!!!! I mean its so obvious, if they wore.. maybe a light shade of green then no fuckin way any aliens would shoot at them... or atleast not shoot to hit.

It always amazes me just how many 'highly-trained special forces' people have been killed, when the wimpy pricks who fly the ship always seem to shoot better, run faster and jump higher than they do. I mean WTF!!! They've been training all their life to press buttons and replace engine parts. Why the hell are they better at fighting than the dudes who's mothers gave birth to them while stripping down a gun?


You have to wonder just what does go through the heads of the people that write this crap

 

[Driwen]

Somthing bothers me about that, if their going to use the phentic alphabet (is the the right name for it?) then where the hell is the 'Charlie' sector? Then again I suppose it wouldn't make much of an impression would it

"Cptn's log - its day 12 in the Charlie sector. My strapping men have mutined against me and started wearling long pants again instead of the standard issue miniskirts. Damn those fools, when will they learn its important that their cptn has quick access to their crotch areas!?!!! In other news we wiped out three civilizations when 2nd Gunner Smitkins got drunk at the trigger - obviously it all the aliens fault for being so different... and alien!"

about the sectors i dont really get that as they use the greek alphabet which goes alpha, beta, gamma, delta, etc.

and modern star treks dont have miniskirts (allthough at times still have rather sexy outfits for work/combat) and aliens arent the blame off everything .

It makes you wonder though, if the guys in red always die... THEN WHY THE HELL DO THEY WEAR RED!!!!! I mean its so obvious, if they wore.. maybe a light shade of green then no fuckin way any aliens would shoot at them... or atleast not shoot to hit.

It always amazes me just how many 'highly-trained special forces' people have been killed, when the wimpy pricks who fly the ship always seem to shoot better, run faster and jump higher than they do. I mean WTF!!! They've been training all their life to press buttons and replace engine parts. Why the hell are they better at fighting than the dudes who's mothers gave birth to them while stripping down a gun?

in star trek I havent seen any special forces though, well got the security forces. However those can be seen as police forces and most likely you would train every person in combat in space as having someone on the ship is special enough (same reason why sailors atleast had some basic in combat fighting in 18th century and before as if you train everyone in combat you need less man so less food and more ammo).

 

[Moo]

natural selection is shit

if ur gonna pick a lame ass game to play , you might as well make it the best lame ass game out - ie: daoc.

 

[Archeon]

about the sectors i dont really get that as they use the greek alphabet which goes alpha, beta, gamma, delta, etc.

Realised last night I was thinking of the 'callsigns' pilots use when their talking their crap into the little radios.

As for combat dudes, I know they've got 'security' people. These people don't exactly need to know how to parralell park the starship, so why the fuck arn't they given better combat training? Another thing, why do high ranking officers need to go on away missions anyway?

 

[Morchaoron]

Wait a minute...

What class of Star Destroyer are we talking about?

Because the Imperial Class Star Destroyer would give it a good hiding, I mean, the thing is 1600m long, has poo loads of turbolasers and ion cannons, carries approx. 9700 stromtroopers, and has a full wing of 72 TIE ships!

Nothing could stand up to that shitniz.

oh come on dont be silly, i played loads of these star wars simulators (xwing alliance, xwing vs tie fighter...)

as a B-wing, a few well aimed proton torpedoes at the shield generators then ioning it while dodging TIEs takes care of that crappy ship...

i mean in return of the jedi a A-wing solos that uber star destroyer

 

[Talsar]

"Cptn's log - its day 12 in the Charlie sector. My strapping men have mutined against me and started wearling long pants again instead of the standard issue miniskirts. Damn those fools, when will they learn its important that their cptn has quick access to their crotch areas!?!!! In other news we wiped out three civilizations when 2nd Gunner Smitkins got drunk at the trigger - obviously it all the aliens fault for being so different... and alien!"

Lmao!!! very good :bazbeer:

 

[Talsar]

in star trek I havent seen any special forces though, well got the security forces. However those can be seen as police forces and most likely you would train every person in combat in space as having someone on the ship is special enough (same reason why sailors atleast had some basic in combat fighting in 18th century and before as if you train everyone in combat you need less man so less food and more ammo).

In the latest series "Enterprise", there is what starfleet calls, Space Marines. They are on board the Enterprise to deal with any problems that "may" board Enterprise.

When moving from the "Enterprise" era, into Star Trek (Kirk&Spock) - just after the birth of "The Federation" - it was seen as hostile to use the word "Soldier / Marine", so they evolved into "security forces".

That continued so we thought until the Voyager era, until the unvailing of "section 30" in Deep Space Nine, which do have "soldiers".

Any group that uses the word "soldier" is considered to be hostile by "The Federation", namely the Maque who were sadly wiped out by the Cardassian/Dominion Alliance.

 

[Driwen]

As for combat dudes, I know they've got 'security' people. These people don't exactly need to know how to parralell park the starship, so why the fuck arn't they given better combat training? Another thing, why do high ranking officers need to go on away missions anyway?

they are given lessons in crowd control maybe, learning the shortcuts through the ship or how to encrypt data securily/hack into someone elses computer? But in the newest series the security forces and marines are atleast supposed to be better fighters.

And high ranking officers is indeed bullshit, allthough for first contact you do need to have the captain there I think, but no way should the captain+first officer+the person after that in command be on the same away mission. And for simple missions you shouldnt risk sending out the captain as he/she is responsible for the ship and should only leave it when the away mission needs a captain to be there (like first contact, as i think other races might be offended if you dont send the highest ranking officer to meet them).
However if they let other people go on away missions you(as audience) would need to know more people (and have a bigger crew of actors). So that is probably the reason why they have chosen this path, allthough with star trek the next generation (with picard and riker) the captain does seem to be bound more to the ship than all the next and the previous ones were.


And talsar the newest enterprise got marines on them as they are in a mission of war(or close to it), they dont have space marines, but indeed they are soldiers and have actually nothing to do with starfleet. They come from a different organisation than starfleet.
Starfleet is the navy and the navy usually dont have many people trained in shooting rifles/hand to hand combat (except the marines, but in star trek those are atleast not seen as the captains in the series arent part of large scale invasions (so they dont need soldiers just need to fly their ship)).

 

[Binky the Bomb]

It makes you wonder though, if the guys in red always die... THEN WHY THE HELL DO THEY WEAR RED!!!!! I mean its so obvious, if they wore.. maybe a light shade of green then no fuckin way any aliens would shoot at them... or at least not shoot to hit.

Think archery targets.
Blue: outer ring, Yellow: middle ring, Red: Bullseye.

 

[old.Tohtori]

(like first contact, as i think other races might be offended if you dont send the highest ranking officer to meet them)..

Other races would know jacksh*t about your ranking thingies so...

 

[Fellbeast]

Originally Posted by Archeon
It makes you wonder though, if the guys in red always die... THEN WHY THE HELL DO THEY WEAR RED!!!!! I mean its so obvious, if they wore.. maybe a light shade of green then no fuckin way any aliens would shoot at them... or at least not shoot to hit.
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Green camo in space?
Won't help much IMHO

 

[Binky the Bomb]

Inktank provides the humour (although not the answer)
http://www.inktank.com/SWO/index.cfm?nav=6

 

[TeaSpoon]

oh come on dont be silly, i played loads of these star wars simulators (xwing alliance, xwing vs tie fighter...)

as a B-wing, a few well aimed proton torpedoes at the shield generators then ioning it while dodging TIEs takes care of that crappy ship...

i mean in return of the jedi a A-wing solos that uber star destroyer

A Y-wing with 25% engines can take out the ship. I've got the original dos version, its a mission

 

[Gamah]

QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Mar 12 2004, 09:51 AM)
Alright then. I would like you to know that in an episode, Captain Picard states, when faced with turbolaser-style weaponry, that such weapons are not powerful enough to disrupt the Enterprise-D's shields AT ALL. Perhaps you'd like to remember that your guns are harmless before engaging in combat?


Oh. Please.

First, Turbolasers are not LASERs. Observed effects and all.
Secondly, that comment was about a ship with inferior power generation capabilities and by that logic, the unsheilded Enterprise could take a superlaser hit, like oh, the one that dumped over 5E16 megatons Alderaan.

And if so why the worry in Episode 32 "Loud as a Whisper?

QUOTE (Loud as a Whisper)
WORF: I'm reading laser activity in the Solari Solar System!
RIKER: How concentrated is the activity?
WORF: It is localized -- and very intense.
RIKER: So much for the cease-fire.
PICARD: Open hailing frequencies.
WORF: I can establish voice only.
PICARD: This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard, commander of the Federation starship USS Enterprise. If you continue to violate the rules by breaking the cease-fire, I will abort this mission.
FIRST LEADER: You have no jurisdiction here, Picard. Where is Riva?
PICARD: Riva is in charge of the summit. I command the ship that brings him. I will not endanger my ship under any circumstance



And why is Picard worried here.
QUOTE (TNG Season 4 @ Ep# 76: "Suddenly Human" )
DATA: Talarian warships are limited to neutral particle weapons, high-energy X-ray lasers and merculite rockets. No match for the Enterprise, Captain.
PICARD: The last thing I want is to be forced into destroying one of their ships.



And Finally on this point, you're forgetting about the ion cannons, TIE/B's, tractoring asteroids and if all else fails ramming.

Really, the gunnery problem is the opposite way around. The dense hull armour will be able to withstand phasers chain reaction effects (Not that they have the power to penetrate the shields and there is no frequency dependance, so no sneaking past the shields that way), and your 64mT maximum photon torpedoes will barely scratch the sheilds. Perhaps you'd like to remember that your guns are harmless before engaging in combat? And your Treknobabble is useless against the overwhelming firepower advantage.

holy shit get a life man

also
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html
WTF

 

[Ezteq]

Hmm... Well that all depends on whether Mr. T is with them - He might be down the youth centre teaching kids to make ash-trays in which case the Ateam would get owned.

But yeah, if Mr. T was there it'd be no contest

hmm sadly the a team would not win as mr t is scared of flying and dedicated viewers of the show will be able to tell you that every episode where they had to go on a plane they had to trick mr t and give him a knock out concoction...and tbh if thats his view on air travel how the flip you think you gonna get that bad motha in space..tbh i pity the fool that tries!!!

 

[Ezteq]

hehe ty hun now if i was to mention "farscape Vs Stargate SG1" would you like to comment


pffffft farscape tbh either chianna would shag em all to death (including major carter), or d'argo would go in to hyper rage and keel em with his tounge, or rygel would fart methane and gas em to death...or aeren would get pissy and open a can of whooparse on their moaning butts and john kryton well tbh one look at him in those leather trousers and the men will die of envy and major carter would prolly go in to cardiac overload
see talsar you not the only nerd tbh!
(not mentioned jule, nuranti, sikozo, zan, scorpious, krais or piolet cos that would just be too obnoxious) :touch: