Sorry Hibs looks like you're no longer officially the underdog realm :-)

[Azathrim]

only reason hibs still stand is because of the underpopulated bonus, its the only reason we still got all our keeps at high lvls, and most of our towers claimed.

Yes agreed. Hibs deserves the underpopulated status. So does Mids at the moment and one could hope that we might be able to change things and get the realm back on track. One could hope that the underpopulated status could help do this.

Notice, I do -not- suggest taking it away from Hibs.

 

[Xxcalibur]

1 month since mid population go down and u are crying all the days

wonder wot think the ppl who plays hib / pryd since 2 years if we cry like u , we do a tsunami.

! get organized !

 

[Rami]

1 month since mid population go down and u are crying all the days

wonder wot think the ppl who plays hib / pryd since 2 years if we cry like u , we do a tsunami.

! get organized !

3 years next month fyi

 

[Sycho]

I might move to hib to be honest xD

 

[Kjel]

Seems like a good place to test new Avatar

Hi Zapsi! What is that?

 

[sneakies]

tbph giving the mids the 'underdog' realm bonus will do piss all for them. According to someone in this thread they have *exactly* the same numbers, but are to lazy and bone idle to drag themselves into frontiers and work their ass off to get some where. Where as hibs are actually tryign and our only whine is in regards to the over poweredness of certain classes. I reckon over half of us wouldnt care less about albs running in groups of 24-100... but if:

a) their mezz range was level with _both_ other realms
b) their life taps either didnt have a 1.5 second cast time, or caused a helluva lot less damage
c) they couldnt win _every_ fight by having one class kill everyone.

But hey, these are all old whines, and we all know nothing will get done about it. Also theres the small fact that midgard has had its run of complete dominance in OF, Albs have had their run of complete dominance in NF, hopefully its time for the realm of hibernia to gain dominance, only our dominance wont be achieved through sheer numbers.

 

[Garok]

Hi Hi SoS on 10 min timer !!! xD

 

[Zapsi]

Hi Zapsi! What is that?

Should be my jumping undead gimp but doesnt jump

 

[Azurat]

Well, so you find it boring... then go pve etc...
or do you find it boring because you cant find a decent group setup for keep takes?

Why would we do pve? we havn´t done that in ages and that´s even more boring then keep taking tbh.

Doubt it´s a setup thingy that we find it boring tbh. Don´t see the fun in waiting for some trebuche to grind down some wall then wait around in the cortyard for door to go down and hope no reaver bombs come around to destroy the little fun there is.

All the waiting just makes it plain boring. And you can´t really do much until doors go down anyway since lots of sorcs, animists, bolt casters, archers around.

 

[Equendil]

a) their mezz range was level with _both_ other realms
b) their life taps either didnt have a 1.5 second cast time, or caused a helluva lot less damage
c) they couldnt win _every_ fight by having one class kill everyone.

Oh no, we don't automatically win or regain initiative in every fight !

Oh no, we can't ignore alb mages nuking for 180ish til it's their turn to be stundebuffpwned anymore !

Someone is being nostalgic of better times when most albs could be milked 24/7 with little efforts ?

I don't even want to know what class is supposed to kill everyone.

 

[Afran]

I might move to hib to be honest xD

You need F8 skills to be a hib...

You failed the test, go back to Mithra !

 

[Aldrick]

Well, so you find it boring... then go pve etc...
or do you find it boring because you cant find a decent group setup for keep takes?

Why go pve:ing if its rvr i like? Pve:ing is even more boring then keepfighting, the fun part of daoc was roaming with fg meeting other fg:s and having fights. But as it is now its too much keepfighting and alot less roaming fg:s which makes ppl that like that kind of rvr to look at WoW i think, atleast i know BO is. And it has nothing to do with being owned by other fg:s since we have no relics or something like that, we do just fine against the best groups out there even with no relics, its just that those nice fights are fewer and fewer for each day that goes. And thats whats makes it boring.

 

[Dumle]

There you go.. active population for mid is 5%lower then alb, and 5%more then hib. There for hib is the underdog realm. However hibs did get more rp last week which only means hib is very active in rvr.

Im sorry to tell you but that shows active accounts, or players that have logged in 10 mins one day last few weeks to find it boring and log out again, not "active" players.
Those stats are showing because inactive players havent canceled their accounts yet.

Oh no, we can't ignore alb mages nuking for 180ish til it's their turn to be stundebuffpwned anymore !

180:ish? what game have you been playing? Albs have always nuked as hard as mids or hibs, problem with albs taking more damage is that they refuse to take a friar along so they dont get resistbuffs.
You have the same delves on spells as every other realm and equal or better casterrace.

 

[Bone_Idle]

So you saying mids suck because the gankgroups in mid think they are uber and dont need to talk to other ppl and do things with them? Not like there is many gg:s left in mid, but i can only speak for BO and we all share the same view (more or less atleast) Keepfights and zerging is just boring and thats why we try to do that as little as possible, sometimes we do them anyway but we try to stay away from keeps as much as possible just because we find it boring, not because we think we are too uber to speak with realmmates.

Ofc relics would be nice to have but the cost to have them is too large, having to defend keeps every day just ruins the fun with rvr for us whats the point? Especially since it seems like there is a large number of albs that loves zerging and keeptakes and who can blaim them with their classes.

Looks like your playing the wrong game then tbh. NF is about keeptaking tower taking , defending these keeps/towers and large scale fights.

 

[Edlina]

Looks like your playing the wrong game then tbh. NF is about keeptaking tower taking , defending these keeps/towers and large scale fights.

The game is what you make of it, nothing more nothing less, and people can decide for themselves what they want to do, and what they do not want to do.

 

[Bone_Idle]

The game is what you make of it, nothing more nothing less, and people can decide for themselves what they want to do, and what they do not want to do.

Yeah, and look where its got them.

 

[Equendil]

180:ish? what game have you been playing? Albs have always nuked as hard as mids or hibs, problem with albs taking more damage is that they refuse to take a friar along so they dont get resistbuffs.
You have the same delves on spells as every other realm and equal or better casterrace.

I've been playing DAoC, and alb mages most definitively didn't nuke as hard as mids or hibs with their 140 delve lifetap, on equal resists, so I must ask, what game have *you* been playing ? I also have vivid memories of the many hib groups with ~50% body resists before BAoD was even used, that was especially sad before Mythic turned resist buffs and BAoD into multiplicative modifiers instead of additive.

As for friars give me a break, albs needed minstrel for speed, sorc for mez, clerics for heals, paladin for end regen, theurgist for PBT/haste/backup CC, friars for resist buffs, and that's just the main goodies. Bit easier when you can go bard/drood/drood/warden and have all the goodies or healer/healer/shaman/skald and have most of those minus PBT plus disease. Albs didn't have much flexibility in this area. Not much room for a friar in the old days of det tanks and hib debuff nukers. If you didn't notice, friars went nearly extinct quite some time ago, although they may make a very slight reappearance now.

Fact is, hibs could easilly afford all resist buffs in a group, mids could afford a aug healer even though it was relatively rare, albs mostly couldn't afford a friar at all without gimping their group one way or another.

 

[Aldrick]

Looks like your playing the wrong game then tbh. NF is about keeptaking tower taking , defending these keeps/towers and large scale fights.

Aye, thats why I said we where looking at WoW in the next post I wrote.

 

[Tuppe]

There you go.. active population for mid is 5%lower then alb, and 5%more then hib. There for hib is the underdog realm. However hibs did get more rp last week which only means hib is very active in rvr.

Albion: overpopulated realm.
Hib: underdog but active in rvr.
Mid: Lazy disorganized realm.

If Mids actualy tryed siegeing a keep in an enemy frontier instead of bled bridge then maybe just maybe they would get somewhere.

so you agree in OF hibs -> mids in NF.

 

[Jeriraa]

I just read throu all of this and its alot of bullshit for a saturday morning. Especially some Hibs seem to be afraid to loose the so called underdog bonus.

What sprang into my eye was that Midgard is now considered unorganized and lazy while all the years before it was (not claimed by Mids only) the most organized and active realm.
Yes, Midgard is less active now but what caused that?

This is my point of view:

Its pointless to go vs Hibs because...
a) they dont show up
b) they show up in large numbers
c) they show up at 5am
(no shroom whine mind you?)

Its pointless to go vs Albs because...
a) they show up with twice the numbers if they feel threatened
b) they farm you for a few hours and then reaverbomb you to oblivion
c) AoD is always ready to add and reaverbomb

Its pointless to defend our keeps because...
a) Well, we got nothing to defend


The last real siege I took part in (where Mids had numbers and the will to fight) was Bledmeer several weeks back. Took almost 11 hours to take 1 keep because of getting reaverbombed every other 15 minutes. After that not much happend anymore.
My own feeling is that it is mostly the reaverbombs that killed RvR for us because no matter how organized you are, no matter how many siegeweapons you bring and no matter how many people you are - a single reaver with a Divine Intervention bot can send you back home at Albs will.

I dont know what Albion BG's are these days but for Mids they sure seem like:
"Damn, Mids are gaining advantage at <insert random tower/keep>"
"Lets just call the Add of Doom!"

 

[bashir]

Perhaps Mythic should "invent" an overpopulated negative bonus?

 

[Derric]

Heh, blaming reavers is so easy isn't it? If you let a solo reaver kill a zerg then you really have problems, and it ain't the reaver.

 

[Puppet]

Heh, blaming reavers is so easy isn't it? If you let a solo reaver kill a zerg then you really have problems, and it ain't the reaver.

1 reaver can work very demoralising in practice tho. Ofcourse a few survive; but if 1 peep kills 20~ people in a zerg in a blink of an eye; surely its possible ressing up etc but its still shit.

Also in those zergfights I rarely see 1 solo reaver. I see Jordie, Stalky and a few others I dont remember the name of.

The best proof reaver-bomb is overpowered is the fact u rolled one xD (JOKE!)

 

[Derric]

1 reaver can work very demoralising in practice tho. Ofcourse a few survive; but if 1 peep kills 20~ people in a zerg in a blink of an eye; surely its possible ressing up etc but its still shit.

Also in those zergfights I rarely see 1 solo reaver. I see Jordie, Stalky and a few others I dont remember the name of.

The best proof reaver-bomb is overpowered is the fact u rolled one xD (JOKE!)

Of course reavers are nasty, but I think mids/hibs should try more often to do almost the same thing, stack TWF and stuff. ;o

 

[Etzel]

I find it highly amusing that a light hearted post tinged with a few facts that confirm that Mids are going downhill worldwide (not just here) has turned into the same old same old flame.

I'll just say what you want to hear, we're lazy, unwilling to change, miss our gank groups, dont have the ability to use the skills we have to speed up keep takes, miss our 'I win' buttons and are all keeping our accounts open just so that Hibs keep their low pop bonus, there did I cover it all?

The WoW downloader is up, watch this space in a couple of months time :kissit:

 

[Bhalage]

Of course reavers are nasty, but I think mids/hibs should try more often to do almost the same thing, stack TWF and stuff. ;o

they could, but they are busy whining ><

 

[Edlina]

Yeah, and look where its got them.

where exactly has it got them?

You mean whining like "randoms" did for 3 years pre NF?
Or you mean high rr which in some weird way I guess, is the end of daoc? (in turns of what you can 'achieve')

But you're telling me everyone not running in a gank grp (or just preffered keep/tower fights) pre NF was playing the wrong game? As they're apparently playing the wrong game now, not liking the keep thing...?

So technically if everyone thought like this there'd only be gank grps playing at the time NF hit? (as OF wasn't rly about keep taking etc)

 

[SkarIronfist]

Of course reavers are nasty, but I think mids/hibs should try more often to do almost the same thing, stack TWF and stuff. ;o

Its actually a bit harder to get a combination of characters in mid (don't know the hib characters well, so will not comment on them) that can perform to the same level effectiveness that the reaver bomb acheives.

I know this because the group I run in has been trying to get there.

Basically 2 * Supp SM (Who have moc) + 1 BD with Banelord + lvl 3 TWF.

The problem is interrupts and Zone of Unmana (Nasty lvl 1 Banelord ability). The Supp SM must be able to cast his PBAOE - An interrupt stops them, then they burn MOC, then anyone Banelord with any sense hits the insta Zone Of Unmana. Bang the mid "Bomb" is more like fire cracker. Its easy to stop.

The BD normally gets in, since if RR5 is up, then they can be hard to stop, but ML8 + TWF will annoy, but they will not acheive on their own what the reaver bomb is acheiving. What is effectively an unstoppable (Bar Mez) aoe.

Just my thoughts.

RE: Mid as an underdog realm - well I would say that hib have survived some very difficult times pre NF and have come out the other side strong. I would like to think that mid can do the same.

 

[Gabbe]

I've been playing DAoC, and alb mages most definitively didn't nuke as hard as mids or hibs with their 140 delve lifetap, on equal resists, so I must ask, what game have *you* been playing ? I also have vivid memories of the many hib groups with ~50% body resists before BAoD was even used, that was especially sad before Mythic turned resist buffs and BAoD into multiplicative modifiers instead of additive.

As for friars give me a break, albs needed minstrel for speed, sorc for mez, clerics for heals, paladin for end regen, theurgist for PBT/haste/backup CC, friars for resist buffs, and that's just the main goodies. Bit easier when you can go bard/drood/drood/warden and have all the goodies or healer/healer/shaman/skald and have most of those minus PBT plus disease. Albs didn't have much flexibility in this area. Not much room for a friar in the old days of det tanks and hib debuff nukers. If you didn't notice, friars went nearly extinct quite some time ago, although they may make a very slight reappearance now.

Fact is, hibs could easilly afford all resist buffs in a group, mids could afford a aug healer even though it was relatively rare, albs mostly couldn't afford a friar at all without gimping their group one way or another.

There is not hard to put in a BG grapple friar in an alb grp . You dont need minstrel speed its just you that think you do

 

[Gabbe]

I've been playing DAoC, and alb mages most definitively didn't nuke as hard as mids or hibs with their 140 delve lifetap, on equal resists, so I must ask, what game have *you* been playing ? I also have vivid memories of the many hib groups with ~50% body resists before BAoD was even used, that was especially sad before Mythic turned resist buffs and BAoD into multiplicative modifiers instead of additive.

As for friars give me a break, albs needed minstrel for speed, sorc for mez, clerics for heals, paladin for end regen, theurgist for PBT/haste/backup CC, friars for resist buffs, and that's just the main goodies. Bit easier when you can go bard/drood/drood/warden and have all the goodies or healer/healer/shaman/skald and have most of those minus PBT plus disease. Albs didn't have much flexibility in this area. Not much room for a friar in the old days of det tanks and hib debuff nukers. If you didn't notice, friars went nearly extinct quite some time ago, although they may make a very slight reappearance now.

Fact is, hibs could easilly afford all resist buffs in a group, mids could afford a aug healer even though it was relatively rare, albs mostly couldn't afford a friar at all without gimping their group one way or another.

Aug healer was rare?? wtf u talking about

Good mids grp base was 3 healers and 1 shammy and we dident use skald thank you very mutch