Sorcs Teamleader?

[Molten Lava]

Me, lvl 50 sorc, was aking myself following question: "do we have a teamleader for Sorcs actually telling Mythic what is good and bad about our class?"

With the 1.52 mezz resists and dd resists rocketed (both are body and the average lvl 50 runs around with 40+% body resist atm) Lvl 34 aoe-mezz hardly ever lands (even if I have time to qc-mezz on a ful group I only manage to get 1 or 2 mezzed...rest resists) and my DD's (with 41 body) hit for 187 (-180) DD average (yeah that will hurt that 1800 hp's buffed tank)

Sorcs don't deal damage, sorcs are CC. Fine with that but as I've read in other sorcs-threads its time to give casters in general, but sorcs especially, some defence magic. I takes me 10 dd's to kill a tank so why should they be able to kill me in 2 hits? Our main defence is CC (root or mezz) but is resisted a lot (I have the 2nd best mezz ffs) We don't get any realmpoints for our main thing (points for CC was in one of the testpatches but never made the real patch because it was unfair/unbalanced or something) Pets are hard/impossible to get and the ones you get are useless (if tank kills you, the pet simply wanders off) Isn't it possible to port pets from your own realm? Gives you some time to pick a nice pet before you go into battle. Can't the pet go on kicking the mob/guy that killed you instead of just walk back home?

These are thing that are in every "whine"-thread made by a sorc but is there actually someone out there reporting this to Mythic or are the sorcs unorganised out there?

 

[Flimgoblin]

there is a team-lead

Sorcs have all the problems of every other cloth caster you know eldritches/wizards all die quickly too... (it's called balance - play a tank in RvR, play a wizard too, two sides to a story)

However sorcerers are just that little bit unfinished, they have niggling little bugs, and they're target number one on the battlefield.

try here:
http://forums.crgaming.com/daocbb/viewforum.php?f=21

(cept it seems to be down atm)

 

[Cap'n Sissyfoo]

I agree. With all these resists appearing Sorcs are nowt but fodder on the battlefield. Mezzes resist, DD is total shite and couldn't hurt a fly, roots resist and the only things that didn't seem to be resisted or shrugged off by the enemy were my debuffs.

I demand some luuurvin'!

 

[Molten Lava]

Option 2

If Sorcs don't get loving soon (which they dont at least till 1.57) we could make the Sorcerer's Realm Agreement (SRA) signed by all players from Hibernia, Midgard and Albion. It should state something like:

.........
"As long as all our beloved Sorcs CC-spells (root and mezz) get resisted and our Dd's don't even scratch our foes enough to make them laugh, sorcs will no longer be number 1 target on the battlefield. This will mean:

1. If you see a sorc solo in one of the frontiers, let it walk in peace. Don't react in any way if it tryies to kill you
2. If you see a group with one (or more) sorcs be sure to let the sorc live longest. Try to kill all other teamplayers before you attack the sorc. Another option is to let the sorc live even after you slaughtered the rest of his team.
3. Don't use any negative spells on sorcs
4. At least let a sorc kill you once a week to provide him with RP's"
...............


Anyone additions?

 

[fenikske]

Re: Option 2

Originally posted by Molten Lava
If Sorcs don't get loving soon (which they dont at least till 1.57) we could make the Sorcerer's Realm Agreement (SRA) signed by all players from Hibernia, Midgard and Albion. It should state something like:

.........
"As long as all our beloved Sorcs CC-spells (root and mezz) get resisted and our Dd's don't even scratch our foes enough to make them laugh, sorcs will no longer be number 1 target on the battlefield. This will mean:

1. If you see a sorc solo in one of the frontiers, let it walk in peace. Don't react in any way if it tryies to kill you
2. If you see a group with one (or more) sorcs be sure to let the sorc live longest. Try to kill all other teamplayers before you attack the sorc. Another option is to let the sorc live even after you slaughtered the rest of his team.
3. Don't use any negative spells on sorcs
4. At least let a sorc kill you once a week to provide him with RP's"
...............


Anyone additions?

LMAO

 

[Qte Eth]

In some patch mes spells become SPELL LEVEL (not SPEC)dependant
so all ur gimped 34 mind sorcs mes begins to be resisted as hell by 50 levels
44 mes wont be resisted that much but ur albs u dont make ideal classes but go whine here
bards &healers have usually last level mes that lands without noticeble resist
AND body resist ONLY affects length -total spell resist is only enemy level & spell level dependant fyi
ps:ment 17 level mes is a BIG joke now -lands in 30% of casts or so
pps:u say ur a CC class-so why on earth u spec body over mind ?lmao if u spec mind ull get defence in uber uninteruptible mes

 

[Apathy]

Qte, have you actually levelled and played a sorcerer to level 50 or are you just going along with how the class looks on paper?

Because you know fuck all.

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[Amanita]

Oh! oh! Sailor moon fan?

<points at Endymion>

 

[Cap'n Sissyfoo]

Can anyone tell me what Qte is trying to say? I really don't understand why people try to make an argument in a language they can't even write properly; they only end up looking more stupid.

Endymion is a reference (I hope) to the eternally youthful ancient Greek stud who got jiggy with it many, many times, was lusted after by several goddesses and was sent to sleep by a pissed off Zeus or an adoring...urrr, I forget her name, but she liked to cuddle him whilst he snoozed for all eternity.

If it IS a reference to Sailor Moon then I resign immediately and will burn my hard drive to remove any and all references to that horrid japanese anime shite!

 

[Apathy]

1) A class of ship in Diaspora, rivaling the Neried class pre-Helios.

2) A guild set up in fun to oppose the Neried guild which had similar aims against us.

3) A Greek shepherd boy so STUDLY that Selene fell in love with him. Realising he would die long before she would, since he was mortal, she placed him in an eternal sleep that would preserve him forever.

"A thing of beauty is a joy forever:
Its lovliness increases; it will never
Pass into nothingness; but still will keep
A bower quiet for us, and a sleep
Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing."
Endymion - John Keats

So there you go.

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[Jiggs]

i dunno why mythic hates our sorcerers so much i mean they are the only 'pure' CC class and they dont even have insta CC??

if we have to have specialist classes at least make them GOOD specialists....

 

[Cap'n Sissyfoo]

Duh...Mythic hates EVERY class in Albion. Albion will be so gimped by the end of the year that it will no longer be represented by a chalice but by a leather mask.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Sissyfoo
Duh...Mythic hates EVERY class in Albion. Albion will be so gimped by the end of the year that it will no longer be represented by a chalice but by a leather mask.

All of us already know where Mythic´s developers play.
<cough> ....Hibernia.... <cough>

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Sissyfoo
I agree. With all these resists appearing Sorcs are nowt but fodder on the battlefield. Mezzes resist, DD is total shite and couldn't hurt a fly, roots resist and the only things that didn't seem to be resisted or shrugged off by the enemy were my debuffs.

I demand some luuurvin'!

mezz resist hasn't increaed - just the durations have decreased (although since everyone dies in 20 seconds having a 1min mezz makes you less affected)

the only reason you might see more 'Blah resists your effect' is that there's no longer a to-hit bonus on lower cons... a blue player will resist as often as a yellow.

But Sorcs need some luuuurvin that's true

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
In some patch mes spells become SPELL LEVEL (not SPEC)dependant

that was a test run (by the mentalist TL) on '60' casts... all of 60...

i.e. it's all down to the random number generator

do a test on 6000 and I'll believe it...

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


All of us already know where Mythic´s developers play.
<cough> ....Hibernia.... <cough>

amazing how many posts like that you see on VN, the content of each identical apart from the realm name...

 

[Apathy]

Especially since we ALL KNOW that no employees actually play the game.

"Dark Age of Camelot? What's that? I just get paid to write bug-filled code."

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[Molten Lava]

Might be luck

Used my /respec all to go 44 mind and maybe its luck but I seemed to mezz LOTS better last night....

first fight 5 mids vs 3 albs...I (accidently? ) mezzed their two healers....albs won...

second fight 3 fg's of grey-yellow con mids at AMG in e-main vs 1.5 fg of albs..I got them ALL (yes you read that right) in one mezz (stupid of them to all stand in the door) SOme purged and attacked but we killed them easily (yes more lvl 40s mids than lvl 50's but hey

I had fun again...might have been luck, might have been the repsec...I say nerf sorcs!

 

[cantho]

...

Nerf sorcs ... ;-)


grats dude

a sorc that can play his class, really changes the tide of the battle ...

 

[Qte Eth]

well ur answers here show u are pure albs and why albs suck

 

[old.Sko]

Q, would you play a class which can only mez and charm occasional goborchend ?

Kinda strange that you rerolled to ment from void eldrich

Problem is that Hibs/Mids get a lot of nice goodies in support lines, albs get nothing.
Example -
supp runie - better resistances than dark/runecarving spec and DDs with snare + 6 sec pbt
warden - lotsa self buffs that greatly improve his fighting + 6 second pbt
theurgist - 6 seconds pbt and ... umm... what's else is worth speccing in earth line ?

PS. If you stay for a couple more monthes you'll see a lot of whine from hib/mids and albs proudly posting about "superior" tactics. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it has more to do with code than with abilities of players.
Example - as of patch 1.52 any hunter/ranger i jump - free rp, even if i dont go for perf. As of patch 1.56 the answer wont be so definitive.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Re: Might be luck

Originally posted by Molten Lava
Used my /respec all to go 44 mind and maybe its luck but I seemed to mezz LOTS better last night....

first fight 5 mids vs 3 albs...I (accidently? ) mezzed their two healers....albs won...

second fight 3 fg's of grey-yellow con mids at AMG in e-main vs 1.5 fg of albs..I got them ALL (yes you read that right) in one mezz (stupid of them to all stand in the door) SOme purged and attacked but we killed them easily (yes more lvl 40s mids than lvl 50's but hey

I had fun again...might have been luck, might have been the repsec...I say nerf sorcs!

that'd be the 400 radius mmm luvly.

do you get a body root too?

 

[Molten Lava]

Yes

Root too...(the lvl 30 one)

Qte...I think you have been killed a bit to much lately....better stop playing for some weeks and start full-time whining on these boards you seem to be much better at it than me!

 

[Molten Lava]

Somthing more for the Qte out there

What about this Qte?

Originally posted by Qte Eth
In some patch mes spells become SPELL LEVEL (not SPEC)dependant
so all ur gimped 34 mind sorcs mes begins to be resisted as hell by 50 levels
44 mes wont be resisted that much but ur albs u dont make ideal classes but go whine here

I have second best mezz....which hardly ever lands....and you say its stupid to "only" go to 34 in one spec and use that spell....would be same for you lvl 34 spec DD (or PBAOE or whatever superior damage dealing spell u use) Damage output on all spells below 40 should be zero then...totally resisted...not "only" 300 damage in stead of the max 700...nooh its only a lvl 34 (or 39) spell so it should be totally resisted....

 

[Flimgoblin]

Re: Somthing more for the Qte out there

Originally posted by Molten Lava
What about this Qte?



I have second best mezz....which hardly ever lands....and you say its stupid to "only" go to 34 in one spec and use that spell....would be same for you lvl 34 spec DD (or PBAOE or whatever superior damage dealing spell u use) Damage output on all spells below 40 should be zero then...totally resisted...not "only" 300 damage in stead of the max 700...nooh its only a lvl 34 (or 39) spell so it should be totally resisted....

The mentalist team lead cast 50 spells of the level 1 mezz and the level 40 mezz on someone and there were more resists on the first one.

The important bit is: he only cast it 50 times for each. That's a crap sample. Any difference is well below what you'd expect the variance to be.

 

[censi]

fooking hell, try playing an archer class...

sorcs are about 4 times more usefull in grps...

even if your mezz only sticks on 2 peeps, thats still 2 peeps out of the fight so instantly 8v8 becomes 8v6.

Sorcs are more than good enough...

Mezz first,

Stun any thing that runs at run..

then run yourself... and hide behind a cleric and let rip with the DD's... or Dots or whatever...

Sorcs are good classes, their verisility is a slight weakness... Yes theres DD's are weak but if your a primary mezzing class you got to expect this....

Seriously like I say play an archer if u think sorcs are gimped...

A class that most of the time does 0 damage to anything cuz of PBT... we just look pretty....

 

[Apathy]

Originally posted by censi

Sorcs are more than good enough...

Mezz first,

Stun any thing that runs at run..

Oh look. Another non-sorcerer who knows fuck all. I guess the HIBERNIAN SORCERERS all have stun, then?

Comparing the gimpiness of sorcerers with that of archers is completely invalid.

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[kameh]

Sorcerer:
say you spec to 44 in mind/domination

Single target mez (Base line spell)
Movement buff (Base line spell)
Remove Mez (Base line spell)
Con/str debuff (domination spec)
AOE Mez (domination spec)

(plus others)

you get FREE without specing in anything else (still have enough points to take any other line up to 30+):

Single target Str debuff shout
Single target Dex debuff shout
Single target root
AF buff
DOT that does up to 79 a turn
Self Damage absorb
Self Bladeturn

Christ that's so gimped, your actually group based! oh I forgot you can also charm pets too.

Sorcerer's arent the only class in the game that are being hurt by body resisted, look at middie healers and hibbie bards. They cant spec at all in weapons or if they do they partly gimp themselves further - meaning they are almost 100% defensive classes. Do I know what I'm talking about - yeah think so since I've played ALL THREE of these classes (sorcerer, healer, bard) to level 40+. It's a matter of how you spec and how you play that determines how much you cry on forums The only thing they healers and bards have over sorcerers in terms of mez is instas.. oh but they're on long timers with high resists and you lot have quickcast (which people keep forgetting is bloody ace). I'd have given my insta's for QC anyday.

I've seen some damn good Alb sorcerers out there, how do they help win fights? they dont get mez'd because they dont play /stuck on the leader all the time in a nice big tight group begging to be insta-mez'd.

 

[censi]

okok how about a root?

dooh

 

[censi]

Oh yer sorcs can also have charmed pets right....

hardley ever see any using them.

Comparing the gimpiness of sorcerers with that of archers is completely invalid.

thats a load of bull///

Everyone seems to think they have a raw deal with there classes... Sorcs trully are not one of the classes that should complain they are well balanced....

Seriously like I say.... u have nothing to moan about.. Its the stealth classes that have been raped with the gimp bat.