Some thoughts on 'adding'...

[Svartmetall]

It's war. It's not Realm Team Deathmatch, it's not Realm 1v1 Tournament Deathmatch, it's a 3-way Realm War. There is no such thing as 'adding'; it's just a term invented by people who wanted to jealousy cling to 'their' RPs. Every single enemy is fair game. All the time. Everywhere. I've always found it interesting that the people who whine the loudest about 'adding' are often the same people who are first to sneer 'someone died in an RvR zone' at anyone they don't consider part of their own little l337 clique.
Which is more than a little bit hypocritical.

You want guaranteed 1v1? Play Quake Tournament Deathmatch.
You want guaranteed 8v8? Play Quake Team Deathmatch.
You want war? Play DAOC.

A bunch of l337-kiddies will probably now leap in and flame me to death for saying this (oh noes, I only have one RR5 toon so far, how could I possibly know anything about the game?), but those are that facts. You can splutter in indignation all you want, but those are the facts.

DAOC is not a 1v1 game.
DAOC is not an 8v8 game.
DAOC is a realm war game.

If you want to try and have 1v1 or 8v8 fights in DAOC, fine, great, more power to you. But the game isn't set up for that, so don't whine if an enemy of your enemy helps kill your enemy. If your FG is fighting an enemy FG and more of either side or the third side piles on, oh well. Deal with it. It happens, and it's going to keep on happening...because that's how the RvR part of this game is set up.

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Quick tip: if you want a 1v1 - or even an 8v8 - fight with someone with no chance of someone adding, do it down in the southern end of the Irish Sea. No bugger ever goes there, and the chances of you getting 'added on' are about as great as the chances of George Bush using a five-syllable word (and knowing what it means).

Don't try to have a 1v1 fight 10 feet to the left of Brynja Bridge and then howl in indignation when someone else piles in as well; it's a bit like deciding to have a screaming argument with someone in the middle of a restaurant and then going "FFS stop eavesdropping!" at everybody else.


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[Gahn]

It's war. It's not Realm Team Deathmatch, it's not Realm 1v1 Tournament Deathmatch, it's a 3-way Realm War. There is no such thing as 'adding'; it's just a term invented by people who wanted to jealousy cling to 'their' RPs. Every single enemy is fair game. All the time. Everywhere. I've always found it interesting that the people who whine the loudest about 'adding' are often the same people who are first to sneer 'someone died in an RvR zone' at anyone they don't consider part of their own little l337 clique.
Which is more than a little bit hypocritical.

You want guaranteed 1v1? Play Quake Tournament Deathmatch.
You want guaranteed 8v8? Play Quake Team Deathmatch.
You want war? Play DAOC.

A bunch of l337-kiddies will probably now leap in and flame me to death for saying this (oh noes, I only have one RR5 toon so far, how could I possibly know anything about the game?), but those are that facts. You can splutter in indignation all you want, but those are the facts.

DAOC is not a 1v1 game.
DAOC is not an 8v8 game.
DAOC is a realm war game.

If you want to try and have 1v1 or 8v8 fights in DAOC, fine, great, more power to you. But the game isn't set up for that, so don't whine if an enemy of your enemy helps kill your enemy. If your FG is fighting an enemy FG and more of either side or the third side piles on, oh well. Deal with it. It happens, and it's going to keep on happening...because that's how the RvR part of this game is set up.

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Quick tip: if you want a 1v1 - or even an 8v8 - fight with someone with no chance of someone adding, do it down in the southern end of the Irish Sea. No bugger ever goes there, and the chances of you getting 'added on' are about as great as the chances of George Bush using a five-syllable word (and knowing what it means).

Don't try to have a 1v1 fight 10 feet to the left of Brynja Bridge and then howl in indignation when someone else piles in as well; it's a bit like deciding to have a screaming argument with someone in the middle of a restaurant and then going "FFS stop eavesdropping!" at everybody else.


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Quick tip, play it as u like and don't bother the rest of us that wanna play it in a different manner, ta bb.

 

[Eruptix]

please stfu and dont tell us how to play,Daoc evolved from RvR game to 8v8 centric game over the past years..accept it and you will enjoy daoc alot more

 

[xxManiacxx]

Game is setup for keep sieges. Don´t see much of that going on.

Game is what players make it.

 

[Raven]

the only reason people add is for RPs, its the useles zerging wankers that are the RP horny people, not the 8v8'ers or soloers, RPs are just a byproduct

 

[Danord_durin]

Same old song ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ try to come up with something new
Was meant for thread starter, but i cba to quete his long boring speech.

 

[Svartmetall]

Quick tip, play it as u like and don't bother the rest of us that wanna play it in a different manner, ta bb.

Whining about adding pretty much constitutes "bothering the rest of us", doesn't it...

 

[Svartmetall]

Game is setup for keep sieges. Don´t see much of that going on.

Because sieging doesn't currently provide enough of an RP reward to make it tempting. The whole 8v8 mentality started because people realised an organised FG was the fastest/most efficient way for people to farm RPs.

 

[Coldbeard]

Another pointless attempt to farm respect by whining at the people who think the game is what you make it to and not everything in the game is given.

 

[Svartmetall]

Another pointless attempt to farm respect by whining at the people who think the game is what you make it to and not everything in the game is given.

...huh? My post contained no 'whine' whatsoever.

 

[Septina]

If your FG is fighting an enemy FG and more of either side or the third side piles on, oh well. Deal with it. It happens, and it's going to keep on happening...because that's how the RvR part of this game is set up.

What happens here is that if an albgroup adds on an alb vs mid/hib fight the albs already fighting will most likely pull off and the adding albs (which in 99% of the cases are a random group cause hardly any guildgroup that plays this game today adds, atleast not on this server) will die to the mid/hib group and the adding group will whine instead cause they died (Hi Danish Huscarls, cant remember his name but that was a fun thread.)

Adding in 8 vs 8 isnt a big prob these days cause most people running 8 vs 8 respect that playstyle and will pull off / help with adds in case of a 3rd realm barging in etc etc.

And thats how the rvr part of this game on this server mostly is, dont like it? Go play Minesweeper or something ;(

 

[Eruptix]

...huh? My post contained no 'whine' whatsoever.

are you serious?
your post is full of BS AND of wajn,stop trying to convince other ppl to play the game your way when you cant compete with the way they play

its not their fault that you have to zerg/do keep rvr/add to make rps cause you're probably not skilled enough to join decent 8man guilds


and btw: try running with a real 8man guild before you judge the ppl that do,and see how much freaking fun it can be

 

[Svartmetall]

are you serious?
your post is full of BS AND of wajn,stop trying to convince other ppl to play the game your way when you cant compete with the way they play

You need to work on your reading comprehension, possibly. Point out the exact part which is 'wajn'. Point out the exact part which is BS.

its not their fault that you have to zerg/do keep rvr/add to make rps cause you're probably not skilled enough to join decent 8man guilds

Yeah, that must be it. Lol. When people resort to trying to disparage other people's playing abilities you know they're running out of real ammo. 17,000 RP's per hour on my Thane...I think I can play pretty well, thank you very much.

and btw: try running with a real 8man guild before you judge the ppl that do,and see how much freaking fun it can be

Show me the part where I said it couldn't be fun?

 

[Vodkafairy]

not again

this issue has been beaten to death already, over and over again, just drop it? on a side note, nice fights at crau yesterday. especially solamnus and elrandir ofc!

 

[Svartmetall]

not again

this issue has been beaten to death already, over and over again, just drop it? on a side note, nice fights at crau yesterday. especially solamnus and elrandir ofc!

Was mainly around Berks, got a bit pointless trying to fight Stajjijjon's RR Lots group after a while though...

 

[rawr]

You want guaranteed 1v1? Play Quake Tournament Deathmatch.
You want guaranteed 8v8? Play Quake Team Deathmatch.
You want war? Play DAOC.

Or maybe you could stop being so naive and seeming like a complete bigot, as to appreciate people play this game for many reasons. You have no right to tell people to stop playing how they want because it does not fit with your view. Telling people to add is the same as telling people not to add.
Comparing games of completely different genres is serving little purpose to your sentiments of gameplay within DAoC, if people want to play DAoC they will play DAoC, not play an FPS game because the keyboard warrior told them to. Instead of comparing games, I have a better idea; you stop posting ill-thought threads and let people get on with how they want to play the game.

None of what you said is fact. It is your opinion - BIG difference.

 

[Void959]

Why do you need to make your own post about it? Because everybody ignores your opinion in the serious discussions perhaps? Maybe you should consider why.

 

[kirennia]

If a person having a 1vs1 fight doesn't want someonelse to assist killing the enemy, then what reason OTHER then to leech rp's is there for someone not listening to them? How is this any different to what you're saying in terms of being 'all about the realm points'.

Who cares what the box says, the game has evolved and changed and why not respect other peoples wishes? Being elitist is merely thinking your opinions are worth more then other peoples. Not respecting fights purely out of this principle you're describing is the height of elitism.

If someone wants a 1vs1, I'll leave them be because for me the game isn't about realm points; it's about fun and running in to leech is PURELY about the realm points which spoils the fun of the people who wish to be left alone.

 

[Nosufer]

Nice post Svart. Agreed with everything you said.

 

[Svartmetall]

Or maybe you could stop being so naive and seeming like a complete bigot, as to appreciate people play this game for many reasons. You have no right to tell people to stop playing how they want because it does not fit with your view. Telling people to add is the same as telling people not to add.

.../sigh

You did read my actual words, right? I am not "telling people to add", I was just saying that it happens and they should stop whining about it so much in a game where the game mechanics are set up that way.

Comparing games of completely different genres is serving little purpose to your sentiments of gameplay within DAoC, if people want to play DAoC they will play DAoC, not play an FPS game because the keyboard warrior told them to. Instead of comparing games, I have a better idea; you stop posting ill-thought threads and let people get on with how they want to play the game.

Try again; read the part where I said if people wanted to go for 1v1 or 8v8, more power to them, just that they had to accept that it wasn't guaranteed. And in fact that they could be pretty much guaranteed the balanced fight they wanted by doing it safely out of any zergs possible roaming range. Gotta love how people selectively read posts. At no point have I, or would I, 'tell people to add'.

None of what you said is fact. It is your opinion - BIG difference.

Wrong. This game is set up as a realm war game in which adding can happen. We're back to reading comprehension again.
Saying the game allows for adding? Fact.
Saying adding is right or wrong, honourable or dishonourable? Opinion.
Seems all you have to do any more is mention the 'A' word and people go off on their pre-programmed rants without even reading what they're ranting against.

 

[Ryuno]

Sorry but your just as bad as the people who you are trying to argue with.

The game can be played by anybody how they want to. You nor their can tell others how to play.

You are telling people to fuck off and play quake etc if they want 8 vs 8 fair fights. Thats just stupid, because many of us enjoy 8 vs 8 fights here in daoc.

I can see your side of the arguement though. That there are a few people telling others to stop zerging etc and have fair 8 vs 8 fights or w/e. Sure some people do that, but not everyone.

Its people like you, and the people that accuse of others of having no skill for zerging, that are the problem imo. If you guys didn't want to argue about it so much, there wouldn't be a problem and most people would go on playing regardless (which most do anyway).

Give it a rest, this issue is so born and tired already.

 

[Svartmetall]

Why do you need to make your own post about it? Because everybody ignores your opinion in the serious discussions perhaps? Maybe you should consider why.

Feel the e-peen! Witness the arrogance!

This is a serious discussion, it's not my fault certain people selectively read then go off on their standard rants without actually stopping to think about what they've just read.

 

[Ryuno]

DAOC is not a 1v1 game.
DAOC is not an 8v8 game.
DAOC is a realm war game.

This is proberly what pisses most people off reading.

Because your clearly stating there what the game is for everyone, which is totally not true at all.

Its advertisied as a rvr game, but people play it how they want.

Therefore in truth:

DAOC IS a 1v1 game.
DAOC IS an 8v8 game.
DAOC IS a realm war game.
DAOC IS a casual game to meet with friends.
DAOC IS a boring crafting game.
DAOC IS whatever people make it and how they play it.

 

[Svartmetall]

You are telling people to fuck off and play quake etc if they want 8 vs 8 fair fights. Thats just stupid, because many of us enjoy 8 vs 8 fights here in daoc.

Show me where I told people to fuck off and play something else. Come on. Show me where I actually say that. I held up Quake as an example of a game where guaranteed add-free balanced combat is possible. Here's something else I said, which the pre-programmed ranters have so far conveniently chosen to ignore: "If you want to try and have 1v1 or 8v8 fights in DAOC, fine, great, more power to you...".

Its people like you, and the people that accuse of others of having no skill for zerging, that are the problem imo.

Nope. I don't go around going "FFS STOP 8v8ING!!1one1!!".

 

[Svartmetall]

Because your clearly stating there what the game is for everyone, which is totally not true at all.

Its advertisied as a rvr game, but people play it how they want.

Therefore in truth:

You're absolutely right. A lot of people - the "FFS DON'T ADD!!!" brigade, by and large - seem to forget the part where it actually is a realm war, though.

I'm not telling people how to play; I'm asking people to remember that the way they choose to play is not the only way to play, in a game that can be played so many different ways. The l337 brigade are by and large the ones screaming at others that the game can only be played their way, because they sure don't like it when others don't play it the same way as them.

I'll say it again: Don't try to have a 1v1 fight 10 feet to the left of Brynja Bridge and then howl in indignation when someone else piles in as well; it's a bit like deciding to have a screaming argument with someone in the middle of a restaurant and then going "FFS stop eavesdropping!" at everybody else.


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[rawr]

.../sigh
You did read my actual words, right? I am not "telling people to add", I was just saying that it happens and they should stop whining about it so much in a game where the game mechanics are set up that way.

I did and the underlying message I saw when you tell others to go play other games, shows exactly where you are coming from with the post.
People are allowed to express themselves. I feel you need to accept that this is a multi-faceted game, which is the whole reason it is so enjoyable.

Try again; read the part where I said if people wanted to go for 1v1 or 8v8, more power to them, just that they had to accept that it wasn't guaranteed. And in fact that they could be pretty much guaranteed the balanced fight they wanted by doing it safely out of any zergs possible roaming range. Gotta love how people selectively read posts. At no point have I, or would I, 'tell people to add'.

Sigh. I read all of your post, I did not selectively read it. It still shows here that you are telling people how to play the game - this is the point I am trying to make. Maybe you are the one selectively reading?

Wrong. This game is set up as a realm war game in which adding can happen. We're back to reading comprehension again.
Saying the game allows for adding? Fact.

If you used your reading comprehension you would see that I am actually unbiased in my response. Of course adding can happen, the same way that other types of gameplay can happen!

Saying adding is right or wrong, honourable or dishonourable? Opinion.
Seems all you have to do any more is mention the 'A' word and people go off on their pre-programmed rants without even reading what they're ranting against.

Hmm. Perhaps it is that this 'war' thing is going on with which people enjoy having their own little niche within to play the games in several ways?

We're back to reading comprehension again.

Try to be more productive in your response next time Svart.

 

[Zoia]

So when i'm out soloing with my zerker and don't want people to add on my fights, it's because i "jealousy cling to 'my' RPs"?
In your eyes i'm just some l337 kid?
If i wanted to get RPs fast on my zerker, i sure as hell wouldn't solo.
Tbh, i'd rather die in a fair fight than have other mids "help" me out, cause i don't care about the RPs.

I usually don't whine at people for adding now and then or outnumbering me.
However, when some people will do everything they can do ruin someone elses fun, it does piss me off(even made some strong whine in a grats thread last night, but that's deleted now).
If i'm already fighting 3 albs, it isn't necessary for 2 more to join in on the fight because it's a war.
Saying i'm only after the RPs and they are playing the game as a war game is bullshit.
In most cases they are adding on my fight to get their share of the RPs.

In my oppinion, some people should try and remember that others are playing this game to have fun.
When the same people add on you time and time again, it's not fun and will make people log.
Some people may even quit the game if it happens too much.

 

[anioal]

just to keep it as short as posible:
Svartmetall, as long you dont pay my subs and i dont break the coc, you are not entitled to tell me how to play. So be so kind and stfu, pls.

 

[Svartmetall]

I did and the underlying message I saw when you tell others to go play other games, shows exactly where you are coming from with the post.
People are allowed to express themselves. I feel you need to accept that this is a multi-faceted game, which is the whole reason it is so enjoyable.

I gave up on subtlety on the internet a long time ago I don't do 'underlying messages'. If I meant to say 'fuck off and play Quake', I'd just say 'fuck off and play Quake'. In as many words .

Sigh. I read all of your post, I did not selectively read it. It still shows here that you are telling people how to play the game - this is the point I am trying to make.

Likewise. I have no issue with people wanting 8v8 fights at all, more power to 'em if they get them and enjoy them. Great. The ones who only want 8v8 are the ones telling others not to play in a different way; I'm not the one being exclusive. I don't howl in indignation when others 8v8, but 8v8ers howl in indignation when others add.

Hmm. Perhaps it is that this 'war' thing is going on with which people enjoy having their own little niche within to play the games in several ways?

Yup, and that's one of the best things about DAOC's RvR system. Like the game as a whole, actually.

 

[Svartmetall]

just to keep it as short as posible:
Svartmetall, as long you dont pay my subs and i dont break the coc, you are not entitled to tell me how to play. So be so kind and stfu, pls.

Keeping it equally short: I've never 'told anyone else how to play'. So perhaps you should take your own advice about shutting up.